BMW News (All news and spy shots here please)

[ZfrkS62]

ok, with all the talk about the upcoming BMW cars with reference to their designations, i realize it can get confusing to some people, so i thought i would put together the Designation and Engine code table. These are for US vehicles. Obviously Europe has alot more diesel powered vehicles and alot of other varieties. Plus, Europe has the E87 1 series, the US doesn't :P

a few quick clear ups before going on:

Model indicators:
i = fuel injected
A = Automatic
C = Coupe
c = convertible
s = sport package
M = Motorsport
P = Protection
t = touring
e = economy
d = diesel
x = All wheel drive
Engine Code break down:

M = standard production engines
S = Motorsport engines
N = New Generation engines

\/------------ Engine code
M54 B 30<--- Displacement in Liters
/\ -------- Fuel type B= Benzine (German for gasoline)
.................................. d = Diesel

TU = Technical Update

That said, let's continue :D

E12 530i/A 75-78 M30B30 6cyl.
E12 528i/A 79-81 M30B28 6cyl.

E21 320i/A 77-83 M10B20 4cyl.

E23 733i/A 78-84 M30B32 6cyl.
E23 735i/A 85-87 M30B34 6cyl.
E23 L7 86-87 M30B34 6cyl.

E24 630CSi/A 77 M30B30 6cyl.
E24 633CSi/A 78-84 M30B32 6cyl.
E24 635CSi/A 85-89 M30B34 6cyl.
E24 L6/A 87 M30B34 6cyl.
E24 M6 87-88 S38B35 6cyl.

E28 528e/A 82-88 M20B27 6cyl.
E28 533i/A 83-84 M30B32 6cyl.
E28 535i/A 85-88 M30B34 6cyl.
E28 524Td/A 85-86 M21d24 6cyl.
E28 M5 88 S38B35 6cyl.

E30 318i/A 84-85 M10B18 4cyl.
E30 318i/s/C 91-92 M42B18 4cyl.
E30 325e/s/A 85-88 M20B27 6cyl.
E30 325i/s/C/x/A 87-91 M20B25 6cyl.
E30 M3 88-91 S14B23 4cyl.

E31 840Ci/A 94-95 M60B40 8cyl.
E31 840Ci/A 96-97 M62B44 8cyl.
E31 850i/A 91-94 M70B50 12cyl.
E31 850Ci/A 95-97 M73B54 12cyl.
E31 850CSi 94-95 S70B56 12cyl.

E32 735i/iL/A 88-91 M30B35 6cyl.
E32 740i/iL/A 92-94 M60B40 8cyl.
E32 750iL/A 88-94 M70B50 12cyl.

E34 525i/A 89-90 M20B25 6cyl.
E34 525i/t/A 91-92 M50B25 6cyl.
E34 525i/t/A 93-95 M52TUB25 6cyl.
E34 530i/t/A 94-95 M60B30 8cyl.
E34 535i/A 89-93 M30B35 6cyl.
E34 540i/A 94-95 M60B40 8cyl.
E34 M5 91-93 S38B36 6cyl.

E36 318i/s/C/A 92-95 M42B18 4cyl.
E36 318i/s/C/A 96-98 M44B19 4cyl.
E36/5 318ti/A 95 M42B18 4cyl.
E36/5 318ti/A 96-99 M44B19 4cyl.
E36 323is/C/A 98-99 M52B25 6cyl.
E36 325i/A 92 M50B25 6cyl.
E36 325i/s/C/A 93-95 M50TUB25 6cyl.
E36 328i/s/C/A 96-99 M52B28 6cyl.
E36 M3/A 95 S52B30 6cyl.
E36 M3/4/C/A 96-99 S52B30 6cyl. (i think 4 is Sedan)

E36/7 Z3 1.9i/A 96-98 M44B19 4cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.3i/A 99-00 M52TUB25 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.5i/A 01-03 M54B25 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.8i/A 97-98 M52B28 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.8i/A 99-00 M52TUB28 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 3.0i/A 01-03 M54B30 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.8i/C/A 99-00 M52TUB28 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 3.0i/C/A 01-03 M54B30 6cyl.
E36/7 M Roadster 98-00 S52B32 6cyl.
E36/7 M Roadster 01-03 S54B32 6cyl.
E36/7 M Coupe 98-00 S52B32 6cyl.
E36/7 M Coupe 01-03 S54B32 6cyl.

E38 740i/iL/A 95 M60B40 8cyl.
E38 740i/iL/A 96-98 M62B44 8cyl.
E38 740i/iL/A/P 99-01 M62TUB44 8cyl.
E38 750iLA 95-98 M73B54 12cyl.
E38 750iLA/P 99-01 M73TUB 12cyl.

E39 525i/A 01-03 M54B25 6cyl.
E39 528i/A 97-98 M52B28 6cyl.
E39 528i/t/A 99-00 M52TUB 6cyl.
E39 530i/A 01-03 M54B30 6cyl.
E39 540i/A 97-99 M62B44 8cyl.
E39 540i/t/P/A 99-03 M62TUB44 8cyl.
E39 M5 00-03 S62B50 8cyl.

E46 323i/C/c/A 99-01 M52TUB25 6cyl.
E46 325i/C/c/X/A 01- M54B25 6cyl.
E46 328i/C/c/A 99-01 M52TUB28 6cyl.
E46 330i/C/c/X/A 01- M54B30 6cyl.
E46 M3/c 02- S54B32 6cyl.
E46 M3/c/SMG 03- S54B32 6cyl.

E52 Z8 01 S62B50 8cyl.

E53 X5 3.0i/A 01- M54B30 6cyl.
E53 X5 4.4i/A 00- M62TUB44 8cyl.
E53 X5 4.4i/A 02- N62B44 8ycl.
E53 X5 4.6iHP 02- N62B46 8cyl.
E53 X5 4.8is/A 03- N62B48 8cyl.

E60 525i/A 04-05 M54B25 6cyl.
E60 530i/A/SMG 04-05 M54B25 6cyl.
E60 545i/A/SMG 04-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E60 525i/A/SMG 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E60 530i/A/SMG 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E60 550i/A/SMG 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E60 M5 06- S85B50 10cyl

E61 525xit 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E61 530xit 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E61 550it 06- N62TUB48 8cyl.
(Fairly sure it's a 4.8L, but i have a nagging doubt that it's a 4.4)

E63 645Ci 04-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E63 650Ci 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E63 M6 07 S85B50 10cyl.

E64 645Cic 04-05 N62B44 8cyl
E64 650Cic 06- N62B48TU 8cyl

E65 745iA 02-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E65 750iA 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E65 760iA TBA* N73B60 12cyl.

E66 745LiA 02-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E66 750LiA 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E66 760LiA 03- N73B60 12cyl.

E67 745LiA/P 03-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E67 750LiA/P 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E67 760LiA/P 03- N73B44 12cy.

E70 X5 4.8i 07 N62B48o1 8cyl
E70 X5 3.0i 07 N52B30o1 6cyl

E83 X3 2.5i/A 04-06 M54B25 6cyl.
E83 X3 3.0i/A 04-06 M54B30 6cyl.
E83 X3 3.0si (LCI) 07 N52B30o1 6cyl

E85 Z4 2.5i/A/SMG 03-06 M54B25 6cyl.
E85 Z4 3.0i/A/SMG 03-06 M54B30 6cyl.
E85 M Roadster 07 S54B32 6cyl.
E85 Z4 3.0si (LCI) 07 N52B30o1 6cyl
E85 Z4 3.0i (LCI) 07 N52B30u1 6cyl

E86 Z4 Coupe 07 N52B30o1 6cyl
E86 M Coupe 07 S54B32 6cyl

E90 325i/A/SMG 06-07 N52B30 6cyl.
E90 330i/A/SMG 06-07 N52B30 6cyl.
E90 328i/A/x 07- N52B30o1 6cyl.
E90 328iA/x 07- N51B301? 6cyl.
E90 335i/A 07- N54B30o0 6cyl.

E91 325xit 06- 07 N52B30 6cyl
E91 330xit 06-07 N52B30 6cyl
E91 328xit 07- N52B30o1 6cyl

E92 328Ci/x 07- N52B30o1 6cyl
E92 335Ci 07- N54B30o0 6cyl

more explanations:
E36/5 = 3 door touring E46/16 = All Wheel Drive E46/3 (E39/3) = sport wagon E46/2 = coupe

That's the US list for now. I may adjust this to clear it up a bit more if anyone is confused by anything.

UPDATE (12-07-06)
With the 2007 MY, there has been a change in the engine designation. It finally makes sense!!

Keeping with the same format as before (N52B30) there has been some clarification and revision for what comes next. The TU designations have been dropped, and you may notice that the new suffix o1 or u1..pay attention now as it will all be explained :D

the first change comes in the numbered designation. The first number is the Engine Type. 4= 4cyl, 5= 6cyl, 6= 8 cyl, 7= 12cyl and 8= 10 cyl.
the second number is the engine system: 0= baisic engine; 1= SULEV/PZEV; 2= Valvetronic; 3= Gas w/ Direct Injection; 4=Gas w/DI + Turbo; 5= Dual Vanos + Valvetronic; 7= Diesel injection + Turbo

the Letter in the middle is still fuel type but there are some new additions to the possibilites here. Along with B and D, we now have E= Electric, G= Natural Gas and H= Hydrogen

next numbers are engine displacement in tenths of a liter (no change here)

and next is the engine's output rating: T= Top rating, O= High Output, M= Medium Output, U= Low output, K=Lowest output and 0= New Development

the final number is the version of the engine, numbered 1-9.

[bmwdakias]

Nice infoi, i am going to save this and i am waiting for the upcoming posts.Thanks

[Skyliner]

P? I have never heard about that one.... What model could you buy this option?

[Toronto]

knew this b4, but a great post for people who would like to learn about it,
good work ZfrkS62

[TT]

LOL somebody got some spare time in his hands, but out of curiosity, are we talking about US models only? There seem to be a few missing after a quick glance.. one above all, my own E36 320i ;)

[ZfrkS62]

I've updated it and it is now complete. Fortunatley all your questions so far were answered :wink:

[neilo63]

Good to know and reference to :mrgreen:

[ZfrkS62]

now imagine having to memorize all that, plus Engine Management System versions that went to each one and all their features :wink: That made up one 3 week class :wink:

[SilviaEvo]

Z just couldnt take the fact that i posted it faster than he did last time :roll: :wink: :lol: :P

[ZfrkS62]

Z just couldnt take the fact that i posted it faster than he did last time :roll: :wink: :lol: :P

hahaha maybe :D But i'm going to add a little more to this thread i think :wink:

[ZfrkS62]

Ok, i got a chance to flip through the training book on the new engine technology class and scoped out the N52B30 that will be in the E90 330i, and all i can say is WOW :shock: Here's what i can remember:

Magnesium block and aluminum bolts shave 22lbs off the engine[/list [listValvetronic control is now integrated into the DME instead of having a seperate control unit as on the N62 and N73 The operation of the Valvetronic system has been simplified for the N52 Torque curve is nearly flat with peak torque coming in at 2500 RPM and holding until 4500 RPM, the HP curve is a steady shot straight upwards with peak HP coming in at 6800 RPM Redline is 7500a new electric water pump is being used instead of the mechanical pump to reduce drag on the engine on decelerationThe oil pump is now a vane style, variable output pump designed to supply only the needed oil pressure to the engine at any given time. It's design is similar to that of a power steering pumpAluminum bolts are marked and must be replaced if removed, bolts also must be torqued in a 2 step operationAs with the other two New Generation engines, the throttle body is used only for emergency fail safe modes, startup, and to produce the 30millibar of vacuum required to operate the fuel tank venting system. Vacuum for the brake booster is produced by a mechanically driven vacuum pump.

4-6: New cool stuff i read today:

The cylinder head and oil pan are seperated from the block by non conductive gaskets that protrude from engine to prevent dirt and water from bridging the magnesium block and aluminum head/oil pan and creating a conductive path.

the lower front timing cover is molded to the block (which sucks because that eliminates the possibility for a few hours when the car goes out of warranty since there will never be an oil leak from there :x ) and the timing chain assembley (cam sprockets chain and crank sprocket) is all one peice. I didn't see a picture of it but apparently the crank sprocket isn't even keyed to the crank :shock:

[ZfrkS62]

"When you set the bar, you feel obliged to raise it every now and then" -Transition page on the E90 microsite

"We began building a car, and ended up building a dynasty" -3 series heritage transition page

BMW M6 Convertible:

AUTOWEEK
Posted Date: 4/6/05

Close on the heels of the Geneva show world introduction of the M6 (AW, March 14), BMW engineers are already well into testing of a drop-top version of the performance coupe. Powered by a 5.0-liter 507-hp V10, the M6 convertible, shown here with body-colored camouflage panels on front and rear valances, should still be capable of 0-to-60-mph runs in less than five seconds, despite the added weight of a convertible top apparatus in place of the M6 coupe’s carbon fiber roof.

Seven-speed sequential manual transmission, speed-sensing variable locking differential, M-tuned two-mode steering, and modified stability control allowing more power oversteer complete the mechanical package. The M6 coupe goes on sale in the United States in mid-2006, most likely as an ’07 model, followed by the M6 convertible.

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I am currently searching for info on the X5 Coupe that is going to be ready for 2008. But so far nothing :?


How about 7 series facelift info? :D http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/automobiles/23nug-bmw7.html you will have to register to read the article

FIRST GLANCE
An Ever-So-Subtle Nip and a Tuck for the 7 Series


2006 BMW 7-Series
By JIM McCRAW

Published: April 1, 2005


Introduced on Wednesday: 2006 BMW 7 Series

What's the point? In spite of its controversial body design and tall Bangle-butt rear end, named for Chris Bangle, BMW's design chief, the 7 Series is the best-selling flagship in the company's history. This facelifted 7 Series does mess with a winner, with design, engine, and interior tweaks throughout, and serves to calm down the styling a bit.

Is it real? It's as real as can be, and BMW aims to sell even more of them than the previous best-seller.

The company line: BMW of North America's Tom Purves told the assembled journalists that one of the 7 Series' many improvements is a revised (again) iDrive system, the controversial, troublesome one-knob controller than works in conjunction with the video screen to control dozens of electronic, climate, navigation and entertainment functions. Good.

The view from here: There are only a few sedans in the world that we would put in the Whispering Hammer class, and the 7-Series is certainly one of them: fast, agile and comfortable as your own easy chair. We don't think the revisions to the rear bodywork, spoiler and lamps go far enough, but then, you can't see the butt end from the driver's seat.

What makes it tick? Four different models will be offered, as before. The starter models are the 750i and long-wheelbase 750Li with a larger, more powerful 4.8-liter V-8 engine making 360 horsepower, coupled to a 6-speed automatic. The senior versions will be the 5.0-liter V-12-powered 760i and long-wheelbase 760Li, using a 438-horsepower V-12 engine.

How much? How soon? The facelifted 7 Series will be in showrooms in May. The 750i will be priced at $71,195, the 750Li at $75,195, the 760i at $110,695, and the 760Li at $118,095.

[styla21]

Awesome info agan Zfrk! I love it. The 3 series seems to have a pretty neat mechanical package. As somebody who works with the internals, do these new "improvements" make your life more difficult, or does it simplify what mechanics will need to do to the cars. I would assume servicing for e.g. is becoming more electonical, thus less time spent manually fixing things?

[ZfrkS62]

Awesome info agan Zfrk! I love it. The 3 series seems to have a pretty neat mechanical package. As somebody who works with the internals, do these new "improvements" make your life more difficult, or does it simplify what mechanics will need to do to the cars. I would assume servicing for e.g. is becoming more electonical, thus less time spent manually fixing things?


So far the New Generation engines have been fairly bullet proof mechanically. Most of the problems have all been software problems, but usually if there is a mechanical issue, BMW knows about it and has a bullitein out on it before we ever come across it.

I took apart the N62 in school and haven't had to remove the valve covers in the field yet. Doing it in school wasn't that bad. I'll know how hard or easy it is when i go to the class (whenever that may be). But from what i hear, it's pretty simple.

[ZfrkS62]

Speculations about the E90 M3 have been zipping around in some circles about the possibilty of the M3 going after the C6 Z06.

It is being rumored, though no way to confirm it at this point, that the reported power output of 400HP is too low, and that it is closer to 475HP, with a possibilty of the displacement being closer to 4.5Liters, bringing the bhp/L a little higher than 100. With the E90 bing lighter than the E46, this should be a great omen for the power/weight ratio of the M3.

What is interesting about this is that the M Roadster will be recieving the same V8, though more than likely detuned slightly as the E36/7 M Roadster put out a mere 315HP@6800RPM comapred to the M3's 333HP@6800RPM. However, the E85 M Roadster will have a better power/weight ratio to compensate. Though it is not going to come close to the E60 M5, it should comfortably carve it's niche not too far below. :twisted:

wether or not the M3 will be 32HP weaker than the M5, it will still be a potent machine and a force to be reckoned with. But should this rumor come out to be true...RC is going to be sweating bullets when he checks his rearview :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[findleybeast]

haha like how that last line rhymed...

great thread ZfrkS62. by the way, have there been any problems with valvetronics? i know they haven't been around too long, but I figured having an electric motor involved in such an important engine task might have a big risk of burning out or something. really wondering just out of curiousity.
oh yeah, and why did they want to keep the magnesium block from being conductive? afraid it might burst into flames?

[SilviaEvo]

hmmmmmmmm i want the M3 :lol: :lol: :lol: . i hope it will be 475. then there is the CSL version to consider. but i dont think they will make the M3 475hp because the CSL should be around there? just a guess

[ZfrkS62]

haha like how that last line rhymed...

great thread ZfrkS62. by the way, have there been any problems with valvetronics? i know they haven't been around too long, but I figured having an electric motor involved in such an important engine task might have a big risk of burning out or something. really wondering just out of curiousity.
oh yeah, and why did they want to keep the magnesium block from being conductive? afraid it might burst into flames?

the valvetronic system has been nearly bullet proof so far. going from min. to max lift, the motors may spike at 100AMPS but they only take a few milliseconds to hit full throttle. the rest of the time they just make fine adjustments based on the values the accelerator pedal is sending to the valvetronic computer. There are 4 failsafe programs that are used if there
is a fault in the system however. depending on what went wrong. the worst case scenario, being "call the tow truck or idle back to the dealer".

Magnesium, being very light, will corrode rapidly once it starts to go. so, if you start running electricity through it, it may start to pit. the intake manifold on the 760 is already magnesium so they have been watching it closely to determine any problems before they made an engine out of it. I'm pretty confident we won't see any massive problems.

Silvia- with the accepted rumors thus far, the CSL will be at about 420HP. But if the numbers for the standard are anywhere near correct, you could see the CSL at maybe 485-490.
If the speculation is high though, and the M3 produces even 415-425HP, the CSL still may approx 450. However don't hold your breath on it coming stateside as the emissions will more than likely kill that dream.

[jakaracman]

Wow, nice. Finaly all these designations on one spot. Now we just need E90 and refreshed 7 series added (730, 740, 750) ... And of course all of the diesels ...

[ZfrkS62]

Wow, nice. Finaly all these designations on one spot. Now we just need E90 and refreshed 7 series added (730, 740, 750) ... And of course all of the diesels ...

i don't know what the European designations are since BMW-NA doesn't see any reason that we should know it.

The facelifted 7 will still be the E65/66, and won't get a new designation until the next chassis is decided on.

[ZfrkS62]

We just got a shippment of 5 2006 E60's in today. 2 525's and 3 530's. The E90 should be following within the next couple of weeks.

this is our first look at the N52 in the metal 8) Both the 525 and 530 are 3.0 inline 6 engines. The difference between them is the intake and programming. I think the same will go for the 325 and 330. Notice that the headlights are now blacked out instead of having the chrome reflector. I think it looks a tad more aggressive now 8)
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note the 7,000RPM redline:
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Also the designations list has been updated to include the new cars. No E90 yet as i am going to wait until they get unloaded from the transport truck first 8)

[ZfrkS62]

BMW has announced the the US will see the return of diesel powered vehicles in 2007. The X5 will most likely be the first recipient of the engine which is going to be a sequential twinturbo set up on an inline 6 (think Toyota Supra TT setup)

[LotusGT1]

http://totalcar.index.hu/images/testbemutato/bmw316/bmw316_01.jpg

Was also a E36 316i available...

[ZfrkS62]

^^ yes, but as i said in the first post, that list covered US models only.

[jakaracman]

Wow, nice. Finaly all these designations on one spot. Now we just need E90 and refreshed 7 series added (730, 740, 750) ... And of course all of the diesels ...

i don't know what the European designations are since BMW-NA doesn't see any reason that we should know it.

The facelifted 7 will still be the E65/66, and won't get a new designation until the next chassis is decided on.

I meant new engines in the 7 series ... Engine codes change ...

[jakaracman]

BMW has announced the the US will see the return of diesel powered vehicles in 2007. The X5 will most likely be the first recipient of the engine which is going to be a sequential twinturbo set up on an inline 6 (think Toyota Supra TT setup)
Thats the engine from 535d. It's amazing (drove it for 2 weeks a month ago), in wet traction control light stays on thru 3rd gear an flicks in 4th (tat would be 100 mph, I guess) ...

[ZfrkS62]

as far as i know, for the US the 7 won't be getting any new engines. however for the European market, the 735(?) will probably have the N52B30 this year along with the rest of the 06 models.

[dutchmasterflex]

they're bringing the diesel here?

[ZfrkS62]

yup, in anopther two years. I just hope they dont' run into the same issue with the diesel here that mercedes ran into years ago. Apparently from what i remember from an ex coworker who was guite involved with Mercedes in the 80's, the paraffin content is too high in the US for the engineering at that time from Mercedes. So it ended up gumming things up.

BMW ran into a similiar problem with the fuel and the cylinder walls of the M60 V8. The fuel ate away at the coating causing misfires, so BMW replaced the entire first run of the M60 with the M60/2 prior to the release of the M62.

[ZfrkS62]

Ok, as jakaracman mentioned, the 745 is gone and replaced with the 750 (same as 545-550 and 645-650) The N62B44 is being replaced with the N62B48TU as of 5/05 for the 06 model year.

the power is now up to about 360HP@6100RPM

ConRod bolts are narrower, down from 22MM wide to 18MM, Crankshaft has been changed from a graphite alloy to steel to handle the higher stress. and the main bearings are now a 3 piece bearing.

The intake has been completely changed from the opening all the way to the DISA unit (variable intake runner length) The DISA unit is no longer infinetly variable as on the N62B44, but now a two stage short/long runner.

The list has also been updated with the changes.
:D

[ferrarif1fan89]

wow, i need to bookmark this page.

[e46drew]

after being in service fo years all this seams kinda redundent to me :|

[ZfrkS62]

after being in service fo years all this seams kinda redundent to me :|

Did you work for BMW drew? I know you have mentioned that you have been involved in motorsports for a number of years. What all has that involved?


4-19 update:

Our FSE dropped by today so i managed to get a little info :D Here's the few tidbits i got:

E60 M5 6speed is a confirmed thing for the North American market. No specs on the ratios yet, but i am guessing they will be fairly drawn out in 5th and 6th right up to the 155MPH limit.

BMW's rep at the Aftersales Confrence this year stood up and in front of the whole group (Field Service Engineers, Warranty Reps ,etc ) said the E90 is the highest quality vehicle BMW has ever produced. It beats the E46 M3 in the slalom like it's nothing. With the Dynamic Drive introduced in the E65, and AFS introduced in the E60, it is going to be one of the most agile machines on the road.

E90 M3: No confirmation on the 400 vs 475 rumor i mentioned last week as he hasn't heard any other news from Germany on it. But look for it to have the 7 speed SMG as well 8)

[e46drew]

i've been a technician from 1996, working on sport bikes, cruisers, personal watter craft ( jet skies) snowmobiles and A.T.V.s. Not as well paying as cars, but I think more fun.
My comment was because , and of corse your new at the game and still excited, but it all blends in, and really its all the same. there is a piston a crank, some cams some other whatnot and sensors wires and a few modules. Some preform better then others and some are cheep junk. I mostly enjoy the thrill of driving, or riding exciting things. Its the technical blah thats not fun any more.
Sure things are getting lighter and faster( according to a friend in the plastics industry) there is testing of plastic engine components soon to be mass produced, i.e. throttle bodies, valve covers, intake manifolds and the such to come, sure its all neat stuff, but i just want to take it to the limit, and let the event speak for it self.
Kinda like a test drive i took in a vett last week, the salesman went through about a half hour of neat new features about the car, then i went for a drive and then could feal some excitement, but the going on about electric this and gizmo that, its just boring now. I just want seat of the pants thrill. 8)

[ZfrkS62]

i've been a technician from 1996, working on sport bikes, cruisers, personal watter craft ( jet skies) snowmobiles and A.T.V.s. Not as well paying as cars, but I think more fun.
My comment was because , and of corse your new at the game and still excited, but it all blends in, and really its all the same. there is a piston a crank, some cams some other whatnot and sensors wires and a few modules. Some preform better then others and some are cheep junk. I mostly enjoy the thrill of driving, or riding exciting things. Its the technical blah thats not fun any more.
Sure things are getting lighter and faster( according to a friend in the plastics industry) there is testing of plastic engine components soon to be mass produced, i.e. throttle bodies, valve covers, intake manifolds and the such to come, sure its all neat stuff, but i just want to take it to the limit, and let the event speak for it self.
Kinda like a test drive i took in a vett last week, the salesman went through about a half hour of neat new features about the car, then i went for a drive and then could feal some excitement, but the going on about electric this and gizmo that, its just boring now. I just want seat of the pants thrill. 8)

I see what you're getting at now. Even some of the older guys at work though are amazed by some of this stuff. The power ratings are climbing, along with the fuel mileage and engine displacements aren't climbing all that much either.

The things that are amazing me, is more the engine elecronics. the VANOS and Valvetronic systems are amazing. And now with the E90, we could see the beginning of complete O2 control over fuel injector on times and the phasing out of the mass air flow meters. Europe is already seeing the wide band lambda sensors taking the place of convetional O2s.

The typical engine is boring to me, yes. But it's the advancement of the technology that is amazing me. Just wait for my post on the M5 engine electronics :wink:

[ZfrkS62]

The first face lifted 7 series has arrived. A 2006 750i 8) The E65/66's looks are a big improvement over the start of the run, and i was a fan of the first style, so i'm lovin the new one with the exception that it now looks like the car is smiling, compared to the stern stare the 02-05 7 series had :?

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As you can all see, the style is not as harsh now as the headlights have been reshaped. Note the point they come to on the inside corners. Not as drastic as the E60 but it does soften up the look of the front end nicely.

The trunk lid got the restyle for the rear, now with a lip a "spoiler" lip at the back of it, a chrome ring around the Roundel, and a neater looking stoplight set up. I'm thinking some people are now going to say the rear looks cluttered, but IMO this is an improvement 8)

E90's are slated to arrive around the 29th of this month :D

[ZfrkS62]

The E91 3 series Sport Wagon will be officially unveiled at the Frankfurt Motorshow in September this year. (anyone with a camera in the area, please go check it out :D )

The Sports Wagon will be availible in October in the US as a 325xi, with a rear wheel drive model following n 2006.

It will come standard with a 6speed manual, and have a 6 speed STEPTRONIC automatic transmission availible as an option (approx. $1,250 extra)

New DSC features

Brake Drying:
Employing the rain sensor used for the automatic windshield wipers, the brake pads will be brought to the rotors just enough to clear away any water film on the rotors without causing a brake application.

Brake Standby:
In the event that the driver suddenly lets off the accelerator, the DSC unit will bring the pads to the rotors to decrease the lag time of initial brake action.

MSRP: $34,695
Typical equip: $39,345

[ZfrkS62]

We recieve 5 E90's yesterday, but like the useless retard i am, i forgot my camera 2 days in a row :roll:

If i rememeber right, we got 3 330i's and 3 325i's. one 6 speed (silver 330) and the rest automatics ( :? ) I dont' remember which colors we got (the 325 i PDI'd was Arctic Silver, a 330 was silver, and another is black..)

These things move and stop moving fucking quick :D

I'll take pics tomorrow and have them up in the evening. (i'm GMT -5, so i dont' know what time of the day that is for everyone)

Every dealer in the country got their first 5 E90's yesterday, and will get the rest of their allotment on May 6th, which is the official retail date.

[blah]

i will stop by my BMW dealer to see if the E90 is in. O btw Zfrk i was checking out video from bimmerfest that a friend took, and he captured the E60 M5, and a black 330I E90 from what it looks like. :P

[ZfrkS62]

i will stop by my BMW dealer to see if the E90 is in. O btw Zfrk i was checking out video from bimmerfest that a friend took, and he captured the E60 M5, and a black 330I E90 from what it looks like. :P

where was this bimmerfest?

[Just_me]

Im so happy cause Im probably the only one at jabbas who has driven the new 320 and 330i :fist: :mrgreen:

[blah]

It was held at a BMW dealer in SB. You never heard of it???


http://www.bimmerfest.com/ Info on it

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95601&page=1- some pics

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95619-This thread has most links from other sites to pics. Enjoy i hope you have no work tommarow because you will be on this for a while.

[ZfrkS62]

@ Just_me: I've driven both 325 and 330 :fist: :P :wink: we don't have the 320 here.

@blah: and these links i will have to check out. I wasn't even aware that the M5 was in the states yet :?

[blah]

It had Distrubtor Plates on it.

[ZfrkS62]

That means it was some BMW rep. Were they Cali. or Georgia plates? He was probably the FSE or Product Development Manager (i think that's their title) or higher. Those guys are lucky as hell. BMW gives them a car and pays all their insurance :( and they get to pick the car!! :?

*EDIT* I have the pics of the E90's and will post them tomorrow if i'm concious enough after work. 2 of them got picked up i think because i only found 3 of them. The black and silver 330s and the arctic silver 325. I know we had a graphite 325 and i think the 5th was another black one.

[blah]

It had Cali Plates.

[Toronto]

Blah is this the car you are talking about?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48901
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48902
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48903

cause it looks like an m5, but what is with the two tone body (front and back?)
and the feb. tag on the plates?

[blah]

Yea thats the M with the camo. There was also a 3 series there too E90.

[Just_me]

@ Just_me: I've driven both 325 and 330 :fist: :P :wink: we don't have the 320 here.

@blah: and these links i will have to check out. I wasn't even aware that the M5 was in the states yet :?

*LOL* well, then I was the first dude here :D

how is 325i compared to 330i? Can you actually feel that 330i is faster than 325i?

[ZfrkS62]

^^ yes you can feel a very nice difference 8) The 330 has a little more power than the E36 M3 and the 325 is a tad bit under. As i said about the 525 vs 530, the difference is in the intake and ignition map.

Handling characteristics are about the same unless it has AFS or dynamic drive

[ZfrkS62]

ever seen an X5 without a dash?
http://img120.echo.cx/img120/7900/dscf00017dw.th.jpg (http://img120.echo.cx/my.php?image=dscf00017dw.jpg)http://img120.echo.cx/img120/5174/dscf00021pr.th.jpg (http://img120.echo.cx/my.php?image=dscf00021pr.jpg)

And now what you have all been waiting for: THE E90!!

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I gotta say, if you aren't a fan of the styling, go see it in the metal. It looks amazing 8) Not so much in the black IMO because the black seems to flatten the body lines a bit. But the Graphite and Arctic Silver are awesome :D As has been mentioned before, the rear doesn't look the best, it does look to have a white girl's ass, (skinny and barely there) compared to the ghetto bootys i was used to seeing in rap videos (I think you can figure that out :wink: ). i think that the tail lights will be the section to get redesigned in a couple years when it comes time for the face lift (though this time i'd have to say ass lift :lol: )

[Sir_GT]

^^^ Interestingly enough, your (US) E90's have yellow indicator lights on the headlamps, whereas the European ones are clear.

[saadie]

e90's are sexy .... thx fer the pics 8) 8)

[ZfrkS62]

^^^ Interestingly enough, your (US) E90's have yellow indicator lights on the headlamps, whereas the European ones are clear.

I have a feeling that will be an option sooner or later. The E46 had amber corner markers at first as well, but i think the coupe got clear markers.

@ saddie- no problem 8)

[ZfrkS62]

rolled in yesterday. It's going to be damn near a restoration job with all the work that was written up on it. 68 hours worth of labor :shock:

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[ZfrkS62]

yeah, quite similar to the E21 and E24. For some reason they styled them all with that look in that era. Its foam rubber too :lol:

[Pokiou]

ok im confused more :S :(

Pok

[ARMAN]

Those bumpers are rediqulos looking :roll: Such shale for such a classic

[bmwdakias]

I have spoted that probably all BMWs in the US dont have totally clear indicator markers, a quick check on the US website will confirm that.Its not that they are completely orange but their edges are not clear.Is there a law or sth requiring this? In a way it has a small negative effect on the looks and i dont see a reason unless its due to law restrictions.

[ZfrkS62]

the bumpers were for low speed impact (2.5-5MPH) standards at the time.

The markers themselves are clear however it is a law that turnsignals on the front are amber in color. So, you stick an amber colored bulb in a clear lens and your light is amber :D on the E60 it's amber colored LEDs. imo the clear lenses look better than the amber lenses as long as they are stock. the aftermarket lenses just look tacky.

[ZfrkS62]

Ok, our FSE stopped by for awhile today and it turns out that at the last minute BMW has decided against the twinturbo setup for the E90 :( Instead they will bump up the displacment to 3.5 and 3.0 liter, which will end up rendering the x25 a thing of the past.

In 2007 the 2.0 inline 4 twinturbo diesel engine will be in the US however. Laying down 220+ HP and 416 ft-lbs torque. Coming with the diesel will be the E87 1 series, however it will only be availible as a sedan. BMW won't be bringing the hatch version over here for some reason. Also look for the 635 and 630 to be availible.

Our first E61 arrived today. A gunmetal 530xi. The wagons will be availible in 2 or 4 wheel drive for the inline 6 engines but the 550 touring will only be availible in 2 wheel drive.

I will update te designations portion of the thread a bit later to include the E61 5 series touring.

[bmagni]

Ok, our FSE stopped by for awhile today and it turns out that at the last minute BMW has decided against the twinturbo setup for the E90 :( Instead they will bump up the displacment to 3.5 and 3.0 liter, which will end up rendering the x25 a thing of the past.



I think its they decided not to go for the TT engines, NA is the best for me, specially the ones from BMW, they dont need turbos to make nice engines

[ZfrkS62]

Ok, our FSE stopped by for awhile today and it turns out that at the last minute BMW has decided against the twinturbo setup for the E90 :( Instead they will bump up the displacment to 3.5 and 3.0 liter, which will end up rendering the x25 a thing of the past.



I think its they decided not to go for the TT engines, NA is the best for me, specially the ones from BMW, they dont need turbos to make nice engines

yeah, but i kind of was looking forward to seeing what they could have done with it

[T-Bird]

ok this might be kind of tough but what kind of car is this BMW? specific model.
I will take better pics of it when I go back to school this is actually infront of our old shop the thing is the whole car is in German, it was brought over here from Europe and then donated to us because to fix the tranny would cost over 5 grand and the car is barely worht that. All they were told is that it was a series not offered here.

http://img48.echo.cx/img48/391/DSC01377.th.jpg (http://img48.echo.cx/my.php?image=DSC01377.jpg)

[ZfrkS62]

i assume you are referring to the black E32 7 series sitting next to the POS striped out early 90's Cavilier? :lol: It could be an engine that wasn't offered here though.

Grab me some engine bay shots and the last 7 of the VIN and i will do a little digging for you

[T-Bird]

yeah the engine is just an inline 6

[ZfrkS62]

they did have the inline 6 in the E32 though. So unless it is a 740 (3.5L Turbo, RARE) i think thy may be a little off in their info about it being unavailible in the US

In which case i will consider buying it from your school :mrgreen:

[T-Bird]

well the car actually isn't allowed to be sold since the school is non-profit the money would have to be a donation of some sort, just like the barely used A6 that isn't allowed for road use.

[ae86_16v]

^^^ Interestingly enough, your (US) E90's have yellow indicator lights on the headlamps, whereas the European ones are clear.

I have a feeling that will be an option sooner or later. The E46 had amber corner markers at first as well, but i think the coupe got clear markers.

@ saddie- no problem 8)

I have spoted that probably all BMWs in the US dont have totally clear indicator markers, a quick check on the US website will confirm that.Its not that they are completely orange but their edges are not clear.Is there a law or sth requiring this? In a way it has a small negative effect on the looks and i dont see a reason unless its due to law restrictions.

US Regulation states that there must be an Amber reflector of some sorts in the front area, so cars coming from the side could see you. This is the same with the rear end, where it is a Red reflector.

It could be either in the front corner signal lamps or the taillamps. But it must be there. If you look at the current E46s, they have clear corner lamps but they still have a bumper reflector. Same as the E85 Z4, there are these circular reflectors on the front and rear bumpers. Before this year they had the Amber reflector inside the turn signal so this was not needed. But this year they started making the entire front end all clear.

Now if the taillights or headlights wrap around to the side then it could be within the housings, if not then you have to have a reflector.

And I think the blinkers must be Amber/Yellow no matter what.

I think starting with the E39 and later, all sport models had clear lamps and all regular non-sport had fully amber turn signals.

Did I make myself clear?

[bmwdakias]

Thanks for the info, it was quite logical to have sth to do with a law but it is always better to have a written confirmation.

[ZfrkS62]

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/e39_m5.htm

Scroll down to find the screensavers, desktops and pics :D also has Z8, E60 M5 and more. just hunt around :D

The screensaver is in German, but the images are great :D

[ae86_16v]

Hey Z, anything new about the E90 ZPP?

[ZfrkS62]

In production in September :D

Other than that i would have to do a little sniffing around the sales dept. (as reliable as that may not be :roll: )

[ae86_16v]

^ New rims? New aero bumpers? :)

[ZfrkS62]

dont' they always? :wink:

[ae86_16v]

^ Any pictures yet?

[ZfrkS62]

not yet. I would imagine that by the begining of next month we shoud see the first ones arrive.

[ZfrkS62]

Yet again a visit from our FSE has yielded a tidbit of news that i think some of you will like.

The new M Roadster is out next year sometime. It won't have the V8 like first thought. Instead, the 3.2L S54 is going to be taken out to 3.5L for a 35hp gain. I'm sure there are going to be alot of people drooling for a 3.5 block, i know i'm already thinking about what it would do in a Datsun :twisted: Given that it is going into the Z4, This thing is going to haul ass everywhere :twisted:

Bad news however. The E90 M3 will not be coming out untill 2008. He didn't know why, but sorry guys, we wait another year :( It is getting the V8 still, as i believe it's price tag is going to land it up against the Z06 but i'm not entirely sure on that :bah: I just get this stuff as it rolls in from out FSE (how he finds out, is beyond me)

[SilviaEvo]

might sound retarded but what does FSE stand for. and damn i want to see the E90 M3 so bad. the M Roadster is a bit of a eh for me. never liked the Z4 bodystyle

[bmagni]

:( no M3 till 08 ?!?!?!

[ZfrkS62]

FSE = Field Service Engineer

Yeah, im bummed about the M3 too :( i think the E90 is going to look wicked as a coupe, especially with the flared fenders :D

[bmagni]

FSE = Field Service Engineer

Yeah, im bummed about the M3 too :( i think the E90 is going to look wicked as a coupe, especially with the flared fenders :D

oh yeah, ive pictured it :P and the M3 even better

i hope they do something cool with the rear lights 1

[blah]

Maybe they are waiting on AUDI or AMG to make their move.

[ZfrkS62]

Maybe they are waiting on AUDI or AMG to make their move.

well, thinking about it, the time span between model year and M release IS about 2 years..and the Coupes usually come out a year after the new model is launched.

So yeah, this still fits i guess. Initial thoughts were mid 2007...so yeah..BMW is going to keep us drooling for another 6 months :(

[dutchmasterflex]

ooooh i want a 3.5L M Roadster!!!

[ae86_16v]

Yeah. . . fits on par. They are still making the 2006 E46 M3, so next year they'll have the E90 Coupe as a 2007 model then, one year later M3.

[ZfrkS62]

all i can say is i'm itching to try out that extra 35hp :D I think the new S54 is going to tie some people over for the time gap to the M3, but it's going to be blown away by the new V8.

[blah]

Maybe they are waiting on AUDI or AMG to make their move.

well, thinking about it, the time span between model year and M release IS about 2 years..and the Coupes usually come out a year after the new model is launched.

So yeah, this still fits i guess. Initial thoughts were mid 2007...so yeah..BMW is going to keep us drooling for another 6 months :(


THe M3 will own all, then the M3 CSL will own that! By the time the E90 M3 comes out, Mercedes should have its C63 out by then.

[ZfrkS62]

And what about the M Coupe? will it be launched at the same time as the M Roadster? :?

That i am not sure of. I didnt hear any release date for the M Coupe, so we're probably going to have to wait for it to appear at a motorshow.

[ae86_16v]

all i can say is i'm itching to try out that extra 35hp :D I think the new S54 is going to tie some people over for the time gap to the M3, but it's going to be blown away by the new V8.

You don't think this 3.5L will go into the E46 do you?

[chest3r]

I don't know if I can wait so long for a new M3 :( I would very happy just to see the new E90 coupé. At least a nice photoshop :D

And what about the M6 CSL ??? Any news ??? I've read it will be produced but I don't know nothing more.....

[dutchmasterflex]

all i can say is i'm itching to try out that extra 35hp :D I think the new S54 is going to tie some people over for the time gap to the M3, but it's going to be blown away by the new V8.

You don't think this 3.5L will go into the E46 do you?


I was wondering that myself.. that would be one hell of a nice upgrade to the E46 M3!

[ZfrkS62]

i would love it if they did, but i guess there is a chance.

[ZfrkS62]

http://www.bmwusa.com/bmwexperience/bmwindepth/BmwTechnology

Down at the bottom of the page is where the vids are. There are only 3, but they are probably much easier to understand than my rmbling explanations :lol:

Vids are:

Adaptive Xenon headlights
Valvetronic
X-drive

enjoy

[ZfrkS62]

ok, i see it's been about a month since updating this, but i finally have come across something worth updating with.

Z4 Coupe/M Coupe are beginning production in Spartanburg, SC for their June 06 release date. It will be fitted with the S54B32 laying down 255hp. More details will be released in early '06


Motorsport news:

Petronas signs as main sponsor through 2009 for BMWSauberF1. The car will be unveiled in Valencia, Spain Jan. 16/17.

BMW PTG M3 racing program expands into 2006 as the PTG M3's will be running in the GT2 class of the ALMS series under the new S2 rules.
Started in 95, M3's have run to 53 victories through 108 races. This sucess came on Yokohama tires which will be yet again on the cars through the 06 season.

ALMS testing of the M3s starts in January with driver announcements following in the near future.

[Toronto]

^^^ do you have a press login?

[ZfrkS62]

fuck, i forgot about that. no i don't. This stuff gets posted on Centernet which is the opening page for techs to access bulletins and such. I forgot i tried to get into that site once before and couldn't because of that.

i'll edit out the link

[ZfrkS62]

no, i edited out the link. I forgot that you needed one to access that stuff.

[nthfinity]

thanks for the info about Sauber/Petronas/BMW

im hoping they are top 3 contenders this coming year... with the unfortunate year that BMW had this year in race pace.

[ZfrkS62]

i think i'm going to change this to BMW news since designations seems to take up to much room for when i edit it for updates.

[ZfrkS62]

Nick Heidfeld has been testing the BMWSauber C24B from the 28th through today (30th)

Day 1 results:

conditions: air- 5-14C track 5-17C, Sunny and dry

28 laps, 128Km

fast lap 1:21.624 (lap 16)
overall fast lap: 1:20.609 by Gary Paffett; McLaren-Mercedes (Michelin)

Morning session went over without a hitch, however engineers called a stop early to the afternoon session after seeing a problem in the data.

Nick: "After an almost 3 month break, i could hardly wait for the first test. The chassis and engine ran flawlessly in the morning session. All the systems were working perfectly. Of course you can tell the difference in performance compared to the V10. That's something you just have to get used to. The positive surprise is that the engine vibrates alot less than i had expected. In the afternoon we had to break off work early when the engineers spotted a problem in the data and told me to switch off the engine. Tomorrow we will resume our programme as planned."


Day 2

Conditions: Sunny and dry, air 5-14C track 5-15C

26 laps, 120Km

fast lap: 1:20.039 (lap 21)
overall fast lap: 1:17.570 Christian Klien; RedBull Cosworth V10 (Michelin)

Continuation of testing BMWSauber C24B w/ P86 V8

In the morning engineers focused on data aquisition runs, particularly for the engine. Work was stopped early in the afternoon due to a fuel rail leak.

No quote from Nick.

What somes next: Engine and systems testing continued

__________________________________________________ __________________

Looks like Mercedes will be running the V8. Which is good because BMW so far is only 1 second off the pace. But if the V10's are 3 seconds up, this is going to be an odd year :?

So far reliability does seems to be a bit difficult to acheive, but fortunately it doesn't appear to be mechanical.

[nthfinity]

But if the V10's are 3 seconds up, this is going to be an odd year

im 100% sure that Red bull will be using Ferrari V8's... and they may be waiting for the V8 for a while yet... although, im not sure about the backwater teams (red bull II, Minardi, etc.

[ZfrkS62]

I'm not allowed to say how i know this, but the Spartanburg South Carolina plant is starting to gear up to begin production on the E70 X5 due out later this year as a 2007 model. Now, as i have mentioned before, the diesel engine is supposed to come over to this side of the pond in 07 and will be in an SAV. This is apparently what it will make it's debut in (this is speculation now, as nothing was mentioned as to whether this is the case or not). I would guess that the normal engine selections will be availible (4.8, 3.0 and 2.5) to go along with the diesel.

2009 looks to be the year for the next 7 series. April 09 is the likely release date with production beginning in 08.

As of October, another option has come availible for the 7 series: Thermal Imagaing. Now BMW isn't the first to come out with this. GM has had it since i believe 01 in the Cadillacs, however BMW's is a long range imaging device which goes by heat signatures (infra red), rather than light amplification (typical nightvision). BMW's system has a range a few hundred feet further than the GM system, and has a 30 degree view. At 70 mph the range is extended by shrinking the arc to 24 degrees. Still images are displayed in the monitor in the dash. This isn't a real time system, however snapshots are continuously being taken and displayed.

[Shinigami]

So that's like MB's thermal imaging system in the new S class then?

[ZfrkS62]

So that's like MB's thermal imaging system in the new S class then?

i'm really not sure. our instructor only told us what he knew about it, and i'm not sure of how MB's system works. My guess is, the hardware is made by the same company, and the software is written to interact with the individual brand's systems to make it compatible with the rspective cars.

[ZfrkS62]

ok, last 2 days we started to get the facelifted Z4's in. Subtle differences really. Tail lights and front bumper change slightly. They have recieved the N52 Valvetronic motor, i haven't gotten to rive one yet though, so i don't know if it drives any better. The 's' badge as returned, last seen on the E36 and E31, however instead of the familer 'is' it is now 'si'. All we've gotten are 3.0L, so if the 2.5 badge is still availible for the Z4, i haven't seen it yet, so it's just a guess by adding the 2.5 to the designation list.

I'll get pics up this weekend. Due to some transport damage, the sold car i pdi'd monday will be coming back to swap out a body part from another unit next week, so we're holding one of the cars to be able to swap out parts, which will allow me to photograph the car tomorrow or saturday.

[ae86_16v]

^ What's the difference with the "S" badges? If I recalled correctly the S badge in the E36 didn't really mean much except that it was only on Coupes. Sports package and all was still avialable with the regular sedan.

[ZfrkS62]

^ What's the difference with the "S" badges? If I recalled correctly the S badge in the E36 didn't really mean much except that it was only on Coupes. Sports package and all was still avialable with the regular sedan.

The S was for the Sports Package 5spds on all E36's which included sedans (i almost bought a 318is sedan). The trend continues with the Z4 but with the 6spd trans Sport Package. One of the cars pdi'd today was an automatic which didn't have the S badge.

[ae86_16v]

But there were Automatic "S" ' s too. And I am 99.9999% sure that there where no E36 Sedan S Models in the US. And that all coupes were iS designation.

[ZfrkS62]

But there were Automatic "S" ' s too. And I am 99.9999% sure that there where no E36 Sedan S Models in the US. And that all coupes were iS designation.

I may have to double check the sedan thing....

I know i havent seen automatic S models before, but then again they did make the M3 an automatic, so i guess anything is possible :?

[ae86_16v]

I had a 328is before that's why ;) .

[Bernardo]

Will the CLS 63 AMG be faster than the current E60 M5, and how about the RS6?Just wondering how BMW is going with their rivals.

I'm impressed that the 320i dont come with eletric seats and sun roof as standart. In there must be ok because the car must be cheap, but here in Brazil Its costs $170,000, 70%+ of TAX when every imported car goes in the country, so a BMW Its defenely not cheap In here.I would say that a 170k car without those such normal things as standart Its a shame. And plus the 06 320i model comes with a inline 4 Its even worst.But still Its a BMW, and thats what takes most of the brazillians customers to buy It.

Just wondering about your opinion. :)

and sorry for the gramatical errors.

B.O.

[ZfrkS62]

Will the CLS 63 AMG be faster than the current E60 M5, and how about the RS6?Just wondering how BMW is going with their rivals.

I'm impressed that the 320i dont come with eletric seats and sun roof as standart. In there must be ok because the car must be cheap, but here in Brazil Its costs $170,000, 70%+ of TAX when every imported car goes in the country, so a BMW Its defenely not cheap In here.I would say that a 170k car without those such normal things as standart Its a shame. And plus the 06 320i model comes with a inline 4 Its even worst.But still Its a BMW, and thats what takes most of the brazillians customers to buy It.

Just wondering about your opinion. :)

and sorry for the gramatical errors.

B.O.

hooo...i'm really not sure on the international markets. Here we don't have the 320. none of our vehicles are 4 cylinder anymore in the US.

That really bites about the tax on cars there :?

as for not coming with the sunroof, those are damn near impossible to find here. The only reason i could see it not being standard is to cut the production cost of the vehicle to TRY and make it more affordable. Yes it's a bit dissappointing, but on the other hand, trying to offset the taxes would be a little more important. At least in my mind. Sorry i couldn't be of any more help.

Is the E87 1 series in Brazil yet? we don't have it here, but it was rumored to come over next year, but now i don't know. i haven't heard anything on it.

PS: Thanks to TT for making this topic a Sticky :D

[Bernardo]

Yes the E87 It's already here since the beginning of last year, but with It's base price of 140K it was better to give an extra 30k for the inline 6 320i, but now the new 320 has the same inline 4 as the E87 and its way heavier than the 1 series, so I would choose the E87 rather than the 320.But I feel dissapointed with the lack of power and standart equipments of an 170K car.

And I actually drove my dad's new 330i and Its actually much faster and better equiped that his previous 320i, which in my opinion sucked.Too bad the 330i with Its base price of 230-270K (not sure) Its too expensive for me.

[Bernardo]

And about the TAX Its completely pathetic.I wonder If we didnt had It and If our money value was the same as in Europe or so, I could be probly be driving an awesome ferrari.


B.O.

[ZfrkS62]

The prices you are mentioning, are they in US Dollars or the Brazillian Currency? (sorry, i don't know what it's called there)

[Bernardo]

The Brazillian Currency (Reais), something around the half price of the dollar.

[ZfrkS62]

shit. You're still looking at 70K for a 1 series??? :shock: that must put the Golf GTI around 60K :shock:

[Bernardo]

The Golf GTI came to Brazil just for a little while as I can remember, and yes, It was around that.(With a stunning better perfomance). =)

[ZfrkS62]

pics are linked to the gallery.

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16994&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16995&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16996&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16997&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16998&cat=500

[ae86_16v]

pics are linked to the gallery.

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16994&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16995&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16996&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16997&cat=500

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16998&cat=500

Oh cool, they've intergrated the front amber side marker into the wheel arch, much better looking than the stupid circle light on the bumper they used in 2004/05.

[ZfrkS62]

^^ Yeah, for some reason it reminded me of those old old old cartoons where the people were drawn with cherub like cheeks :lol:

[ZfrkS62]

According to our rep, the new X5 is 7 inches longer, and 3 inches taller than the current E53 X5. From what he said, they aren't in the New Jersey port yet, cuz he went walking through it looking for them, so that tells me that the roll out for the X5 is coming up. My guess would be August/September.

Also expect the upcoming F01 7 Series to be revealed in Spring of 2008 as a 2009 model year. Which means spy photos of the test mules should be popping up early next year as the chassis is tested around Europe.

[Just_me]

X5 interior shot

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/9219/e70int22bp.jpg

[dutchmasterflex]

According to our rep, the new X5 is 7 inches longer, and 3 inches taller than the current E53 X5. From what he said, they aren't in the New Jersey port yet, cuz he went walking through it looking for them, so that tells me that the roll out for the X5 is coming up. My guess would be August/September.

Also expect the upcoming F01 7 Series to be revealed in Spring of 2008 as a 2009 model year. Which means spy photos of the test mules should be popping up early next year as the chassis is tested around Europe.

They've already spotted test mules on the Dragon's Tail in the US!

[ZfrkS62]

that interior looks goood. So much better than the E53 :?

i'm surprised no clear spy shots have shown up of the exterior though. Launch isn't much further away.

[ae86_16v]

X5 interior shot

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/9219/e70int22bp.jpg

that interior looks goood. So much better than the E53 :?

i'm surprised no clear spy shots have shown up of the exterior though. Launch isn't much further away.

The best interior of all the new cars! Thank god for no stupid iDrive Hump!!!

I actually still like the older cars interiors compared to the new ones, but this one is definitely the best of the bunch.

[ZfrkS62]

one thing i am noticing is the tell tale SMG shifter :D

[ae86_16v]

one thing i am noticing is the tell tale SMG shifter :D

No shifter paddles though.

[ZfrkS62]

one thing i am noticing is the tell tale SMG shifter :D

No shifter paddles though.

they may not be visible from that angle as they are going to be the pull-upshift/push-downshift variety that come in non-M vehicles.

[Bernardo]

that interior its to die for! :shock:

ps: erhrh Lays its the worst shit ever.

[Just_me]

one thing i am noticing is the tell tale SMG shifter :D

I bet its BMW version of DSG being tested.

[5vz-fe]

one thing i am noticing is the tell tale SMG shifter :D

I bet its BMW version of DSG being tested.

VWVWVWVWVW

[Bernardo]

one thing i am noticing is the tell tale SMG shifter :D

I bet its BMW version of DSG being tested.

i 2nd that

[rave426]

I'm adore BMW's............BUT - Whats so impressive about that interior, maybe im missing something :? Its very........BMWish to me..extremely functional and driver oriented, but other than that it just looks normal.

Oh Well, Hopefully they get the nuts to build a prodcution LM X5 with a 600-700hp V12!!! Wishful thinking :|

[Just_me]

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/3414/x5kleinij5.jpg

[ferrarif1fan89]

that may just be my next car.......

looks very good, im loving the headlights. those wheels look straight off an s-max or ST220, though.

[ZfrkS62]

rehost the image please

[Just_me]

rehost the image please

check out this link

http://germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=5522

[ZfrkS62]

rehost the image please

check out this link

http://germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=5522

I hate to say it, but i think BMW finally missed one :?

[LotusGT1]

Why is this a sticky?

[ZfrkS62]

because i asked TT to make it one so it would be easier to find between updates.

[inso]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/gcf/newsID/2060811.010/bmw/bmw-3-series-coupe-pricing-and-performance-specs-uk#a

Following its launch in the 3 Series Coupé range, the 335i-badged cars come to the BMW 3 Series Saloon and Touring ranges offering scintillating performance combined with class-leading consumption, emissions figures and enhanced levels of practicality. The heart of the new 335i is a technical tour de force. Its light alloy engine is fitted with two turbochargers, each one feeding three cylinders, and High-Precision Direct Injection technology to produce 306hp and 400Nm of torque.

Unlike competitor cars whose forced induction engines suffer from turbo lag, the small turbochargers on the 335i can react more quickly to throttle inputs for increased power output of low revs. Similarly, with peak torque of 400Nm being achieved all the way from 1,300rpm through to 5,000rpm, the resulting flat torque curve delivers swift in-gear acceleration. Aiding this rapid progress is BMW’s all-new High-Precision Direct Injection system. Piezo injectors, located centrally in the combustion chamber between the inlet and exhaust valves, deliver atomised fuel in a conical burst into the chamber for optimum combustion efficiency.

Such advanced engineering ensures the BMW 335i Saloon dispatches the zero to 62mph sprint in 5.6 seconds while the Touring version completes it in 5.7 seconds, with the top speed of both cars electronically limited to 155mph. In contrast to this high performance, a 335i also offers economical motoring. A 335i Saloon achieves 29.4mpg on the combined cycle and records an emissions figure of 231g/km, while the Touring records 28.8mpg and 235g/km respectively.
Diesel to the power of two

Using the most powerful diesel engine BMW has ever offered in the UK, the new 286hp 335d will be available in the 3 Series Saloon, Touring and Coupé models from September 2006. The new 335d also uses twin turbo technology for the ultimate in diesel performance, but the characteristics of diesel power in this 3.0-litre common rail engine mean the turbochargers work in a slightly different way.

Instead of each turbocharger feeding three cylinders, the 335d uses two different-sized units working in sequence. At low engine speeds, the smaller turbocharger is effective immediately, producing 95 per cent of the available torque at just 1,500rpm. By 1,750rpm maximum torque of 580Nm is delivered and, as the engine speed heads towards 4,400rpm, maximum horsepower of 286hp is achieved as a result of the induction air now being compressed by the larger turbocharger.

This wave of torque from such low engine revs enables the 335d Coupé to power from zero to 62mph in 6.1 seconds while the Saloon and Touring versions take 6.2 and 6.3 seconds respectively. All three models, fitted as standard with a six-speed automatic gearbox with steering wheel-mounted paddles for an alternative method of gear change, are electronically-limited to a top speed of 155mph, yet are still capable of achieving economical fuel consumption.

The BMW 325d
Customers seeking high levels of performance and economy but in a more affordable package can choose the single turbocharged BMW 325d in the 3 Series Saloon and Touring models. The 197hp car offers the corporate fleet manager and private buyer alike a vehicle that records a combined consumption figure of 44.1mpg for the Saloon and 42.8mpg for the Touring. Corporate buyers will be further cheered by the CO2 emissions figure of 171g/km and 176g/km for the Saloon and Touring respectively – figures that see both fall into a relatively low Benefit in Kind tax rating.

The 3.0-litre engined 325d Saloon is capable of accelerating from zero to 62mph in 7.4 seconds before going on to a top speed of 146mph. The 325d Touring hits 62mph in 7.6 seconds and has a top speed of 145mph.

[ZfrkS62]

E90 M3 rims seem to have been given a day pass :D

Thanks schnell318!

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=42355&highlight=

I'm going to be back later today with BMW's press release about the E70 X5 pricing. the 3.0si will be starting at 46,595 and the 4.8i in the low 55K range.

[schnell318]

Here`s the E70 sales catalogue. Hope you like it.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4537/1000373ro9.jpg
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http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5067/1000365fe3.jpg

[Igorionia]

Thanx for sharing
where's Eng version ? :)

[5vz-fe]

Thanks for the pics schnell318, looks all very very nice except the attempt association with an F1 car. The X5 is the last "car" BMW want to use the F1 marketing technique.

[thepest]

Quite some info i there only if it was a bit larger so we can read it all. Thanks tho!

Who's your daddy? -BMW

[ZfrkS62]

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6341/1000329eq8.jpg

From the looks of the tread pattern, we're looking at the Dunlop Sp Sports :? We had a huge problem on the E60's with the first generation Dunlop Sports pulling and wearing the inside shoulders in 6K miles :? Though i'm not sure what those tires would be doing on the X5, unless they are using the images in all thier new catalogs :bah:


very nice except the attempt association with an F1 car. The X5 is the last "car" BMW want to use the F1 marketing technique.


not really. BMW will always associate their vehicles with motorsport somehow, and given that F1 is the ultimate series (in theory, this statement could spark a HUGE debate alone...) and BMW is the Ultimate Driving Machine, this kinda makes sense.

The X5's still feel quite sporty (in the V8 models. The inline 6 models are kind boring), especially the 4.8is :drool: But the comparison in this case is at the wheel base. Since the pics don't give much of a perspective of the size of the vehicle, why not compare it to teh F1 car, which most people, especially in europe, will be able to relate the size of the F1 car.

Though what they really should have done was put the E53 X5 against the E70 as well.

[ae86_16v]

Any new update Z?

[ZfrkS62]

Any new update Z?

I've been slacking pretty bad since i've moved. Also getting kind of pissed that everyone seems to be posting BMW news stuff outside of here, which scatters it quite a bit.

E70 X5 went into production this month and will be in showrooms for November. The bulletin i saw said they would be availible within a wek of production start, but i'm wondering if that's just for ordering since model launch is officially November.

Neiman Marcus had 50 Limited Edition M6's built and painted in a Ruby Black color, and offered them for 139,000usd EACH. They sold on it a record breaking 1 minute 32 seconds :shock:

Model launches should be fairly quiet after November until the E92 M3 screeches into showrooms. After that i don't think anything is due for replacement until 2009 MY 7 series.

Other than technical stuff that applies to me, i think that's everything...

Guys, if you could PLEASE start posting BMW related news here, that would kick ass. I realize it may look cluttered, but at this point the only discussion really seems to be centered around the last E9x to launch, which is the long awaited M3, so it should be fairly organized for now.

[ae86_16v]

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61559

The X5. . .

[ZfrkS62]

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61559

The X5. . .

Thanks for posting these :D

dunno if i'm crazy about the tail lights, but the front end looks good.

This one dosn't seem as imposing as the facelift did but i'm sure once you see it in the metal it's much different.

The 4.8 is a fucking godsend in the 7 and 5, so let's see what it can do in the heavier X5 :D

[ae86_16v]

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61559

The X5. . .

Thanks for posting these :D

dunno if i'm crazy about the tail lights, but the front end looks good.

This one dosn't seem as imposing as the facelift did but i'm sure once you see it in the metal it's much different.


Haha, I am just the opposite, I like the back A LOT. Very elegant yet sporty, but the front for me is too aggressive and doesn't look right. :D

[ae86_16v]

More:

http://rapidshare.com/files/845136/X5_Ordering_Guide.pdf.html

:D

[ZfrkS62]

my shop foreman just got back from E70 training. Apparently it's really not much bigger than the E53 and the 3rd row seats is big enough for kids or topgeartom but that's about it.

only the 4.8 will be offered at first starting out at 55K and topping off in the 76-77K neighborhood. The diesel engine will NOT be making it's return to North America next year as originally planned due to differences in the fuel quality between the US and Europe. Apparently, once again, it's eating the engines :? The delay puts the re-introduction to about 2009.

They should be rolling into showrooms this month. My dealer is slated to get ours in early December.

[ae86_16v]

^ Huh, I thought the E70 was supposedly really bigger. Gotta see one with my own eyes first.

[ZfrkS62]

^ Huh, I thought the E70 was supposedly really bigger. Gotta see one with my own eyes first.

yeah, i thought so too. He said it is bigger just not by as much as most people thought.

[ZfrkS62]

After a 3 year renovation and expansion project, BMW has a new home at the Nordschleife. For roughly 40 years, BMW has been using the race circuit as an integral part of the development process for their vehicles. The 12,440 square foot, high-tech workshop has been expanded for test and development work to be done for years to come.

Mention the name Nurburgring Nordschleife to any motorsport enthusiast or driving simulator playing teenager, and you will be greeted with responses ranging from "fantastic" to "diabolical". This legendary Formula One circuit was built over a two year period from 1925 to 1927 and compromises 73 turns; 33 Left and 40 Right and 300 meters (975 feet) of elevation change within a 20.8KM (12.9MI) ribbon of varying road surfaces that is undoubtedly the most challenging race circuit ever conceived.

Over the years, the BMW facility at Nurburgring Nordschleife has seved as the base of operations for the BMW Motorsport Team. Activities for DTM (German Touring Car Championship, STW (Super Touring Car Championship). ADAC GT Cup and various 24 Hour race entries and organizational coordination for the popular Ring Taxi.

The workshop, which formerly consisted of 4 work bays, now contains 11 work bays, wheel alignment facility and wash facility. In order to to help the staff feel at home, a leisure room has been added along with a common room. Because test data nd protocols need to be transmitted quickly and securely, techs work in an office area with 30 computer work stations connected directly to Munich and Garching. Finally, 2 exhibition and conference rooms have been created.

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Looks like there's a bigger landmark along side the Green Hell :D

[nthfinity]

Looks like there's a bigger landmark along side the Green Hell

definately cool... still, i hope all this expansion, and future expansion from other marques don't ruin the ease of viewing and driving of NS...

[ZfrkS62]

Looks like there's a bigger landmark along side the Green Hell

definately cool... still, i hope all this expansion, and future expansion from other marques don't ruin the ease of viewing and driving of NS...

i don't think it'll be that bad really. as long as they stay tucked away it'll be alright.

[vexor]

** Spy shots: BMW X6 **


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Spy photographers have captured what appears to be the first prototype of the mysterious BMW X6 crossover. The X6 is believed to be a four-door crossover-coupe with a sloped roofline and sporty handling. BMW engineers have gone to great lengths to disguise the shape of the car's roof, but all indications are it will look something like the Volkswagen Concept A, with four doors instead of two.

Spies say they were first unsure of the identity of this vehicle, since another X5 spin-off–the V5–is said to be in the works. But the V5 is supposed to be a uniquely space-efficient vehicle in the guise of Mercedes' R-Class, and this prototype doesn't seem to fit that description.

The X6 is likely still two years away from showrooms. Given its extensive component sharing with the new X5, that time-frame could be accelerated slightly. Gallery after the jump…

[davide]

^^
haha looks horrible :)

[yg60m]

They don't know what to invent for selling cars ... :roll:

[ZfrkS62]

i'm pretty skeptical of this. these could just be late hitting spy shots of the E70 given the timing. I really see no reason for BMW to make something like this given the E53's popularity and now the E70 has come out to take it's place. The timing of an X6 is horrible from a marketing standpoint. topping out at 77K, there's really not much of a market for a 6 series priced SAV.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[ZfrkS62]

I've finally gotten around to updating the list on page 1 with the changes for 2007. The section below is posted at the very bottom of the first post as well, but for you lazy people, here it is anyway:

With the 2007 MY, there has been a change in the engine designation. It finally makes sense!!

Keeping with the same format as before (N52B30) there has been some clarification and revision for what comes next. The TU designations have been dropped, and you may notice that the new suffix o1 or u1..pay attention now as it will all be explained :D

the first change comes in the numbered designation. The first number is the Engine Type. 4= 4cyl, 5= 6cyl, 6= 8 cyl, 7= 12cyl and 8= 10 cyl.
the second number is the engine system: 0= baisic engine; 1= SULEV/PZEV; 2= Valvetronic; 3= Gas w/ Direct Injection; 4=Gas w/DI + Turbo; 5= Dual Vanos + Valvetronic; 7= Diesel injection + Turbo

the Letter in the middle is still fuel type but there are some new additions to the possibilites here. Along with B and D, we now have E= Electric, G= Natural Gas and H= Hydrogen

next numbers are engine displacement in tenths of a liter (no change here)

and next is the engine's output rating: T= Top rating, O= High Output, M= Medium Output, U= Low output, K=Lowest output and 0= New Development

the final number is the version of the engine, numbered 1-9.
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You may notice in that list that there is a new engine listed, designated the N51. This is the SULEV replacement for the M56 motor. It is available in certain 328i's in AUTOMATIC trans only. I am not sure as to the complete designation because none of the literature mentions it.

All facelifts are now referred to as LCI, or Life Cycle Impulse. Why this is i have no idea. Personally, i think someone people in marketing were drinking at lunch and in a drunken stupor (since just about EVERYTHING is a good idea when you're drunk) decided to name the facelift LCI :roll:

[TNT]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/gcf/spyphotoID/6061207.003/bmw/spy-photos-bmw-m3-coupe-undisguised

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini1L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini2L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini3L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini4L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini5L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini6L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini7L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini8L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini9L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini10L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini11L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini12L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061207.003/6061207.003.mini13L.jpg

[ZfrkS62]

I love how they have a clutch pedal on the SMG transmission setup :lol:

It does look like they are retaining the Power Dome hood. The black one is the Hard Top Cabrio, which i am interesting to see how it holds out. I'm really looking forward to how this is going to run :twisted:

Near as i can tell, with the new engine designation format, the new engine code for the V8 will either be S60, 61 or 63 B40T0. I will post when i knwo more about it.

[inso]

wouldnt be too proud to say it were my photoshop ;)

[ZfrkS62]

^ nope, lol. I wouldn't want my fingerprints on that :lol:

[ae86_16v]

The new M3 will debut at next September's Frankfurt auto show. The Sydney Morning Herald reports that BMW M boss Ulrich Bruhnke confirmed the date while at the launch of the M6 convertible in southern France last September. "The Frankfurt International Motor Show is so important [to BMW] we must show it there," he said. The fourth-generation M3, based on the E90 3 Series Coupe, will be powered by a four-liter V8 producing about 400 horsepower.

* - - - *

BMW is already working on a facelift for the new 3 Series. Our spy photographer bagged two prototypes in the thick of rush-hour traffic in Munich. We decided not to run the photos because it's difficult to spot the differences that include a deeper spoiler, slightly revised front bumper, and redefined kidney grilles. Obervers say the subtle changes are necssary to compete with the Audi A4 and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, both of which will apparently debut at September's Frankfurt auto show. Typically, BMW introduces a design freshening of its models halfway through their life cycle, approximately four years after the original car is introduced. But the E90 3er has been out for just one year.

[ae86_16v]

BMW is already working on a facelift for the new 3 Series. Our spy photographer bagged two prototypes in the thick of rush-hour traffic in Munich. We decided not to run the photos because it's difficult to spot the differences that include a deeper spoiler, slightly revised front bumper, and redefined kidney grilles. Obervers say the subtle changes are necssary to compete with the Audi A4 and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, both of which will apparently debut at September's Frankfurt auto show. Typically, BMW introduces a design freshening of its models halfway through their life cycle, approximately four years after the original car is introduced. But the E90 3er has been out for just one year.

Maybe that is the "Life Cycle Impluse" you talked about Z? Or it could just be the new Sports Packaged w/ M Aerokit?

[ZfrkS62]

I think they just finally decided to give the facelift an official name.

One of the things i think that will change with the E90 LCI is the fog lamps. Right now they are angled inward towards the center of the car instead of outward to flow with the contour of the bumper. But it doesn't surprise me that they are already working on the LCI changes. The car itself has probably been on the drawing boards at least 6 years :lol:

[ae86_16v]

I think they just finally decided to give the facelift an official name.

One of the things i think that will change with the E90 LCI is the fog lamps. Right now they are angled inward towards the center of the car instead of outward to flow with the contour of the bumper. But it doesn't surprise me that they are already working on the LCI changes. The car itself has probably been on the drawing boards at least 6 years :lol:

True, fog lamps are suppose to give you a "curtain" or light underneath the fog so you could see.

Yeah, but that article is saying that the E90 will see a facelift/LCI within the year or two. Damn that is fast!

Yeah, I remember reading something about BMW development cycles, and you are about right, car was probably designed over 6 years ago, and usually before the introduction of the facelift they are working on the next generation already.

[blue8]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6231/bmwjagadud3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

not sure if this is legit though...

[ZfrkS62]

that makes me nervous :?

[ae86_16v]

The February issue of CAR Magazine based in the U.K. isn't set to go on newsstands until January 3rd. The cover, however, which reveals what appears to be an official shot of the new BMW E92 M3 rear end, is already up on the buff book's website, while pages of the accompanying article are being hosted on M3Post.com and GermanCarScene (we'll refrain from posting them here on account of the obvious illegality of scans).

In the issue, the BMW M3 is called The Most Exciting Car of the Year, no doubt due to the anticipation of its release, which has been fueled by a steady stream of spy shots and rumors of a 400+ hp V8 under the car's long hood. The article inside the issue states that the new M3 will cost £48,000 GBP, or about $94,000 USD (!) if you trust exchange rates. It goes on to reveal that the engine is indeed a 4.0-liter V8 producing 420bhp, but that the motor can only propel the M3 to 62mph in 4.9 seconds. The current M3 with "only" a 333-hp, 3.2-liter inline-six can manage that in skilled hands, which casts some doubt on the information provided (an over 100% price increase, seriously?). So take the info with a grain of salt, but the scans of CAR Magazine's February issue sure look like official shots from the manufacturuer to us.
Thanks for the tip, Disco Stu!

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/31/bmw-m3-featured-in-feb-issue-of-car/

Thanks for the link Goodduck. . .

[bmagni]

the current M3 is about £45,000 if I'm not wrong and is about USD 53,000 so exchange rates aren't worth much.

[ZfrkS62]

53K seems a bit low considering the E46 M3 was going for about 55-58 IIRC.

I would be looking for the E92 to be going closer to 60K. But i think that REALLY depends on the V8 performance when compared to the 335ci.

the power out of the 335 could still be a good run for the V8's money. The 330i ZHP was a great car for it's money compared to the 3.2L of the S54.

If the 335 is too close to the M3 in terms of power, the demand for the M3 is going to drop sharply. I'm looking for the 335 to influence the price of the E46 M3 a little more before i start looking. It's already proven that it will out run the damn thing, so it shouldn't take long.

[ZfrkS62]

BMW FIRST AUTO MAKER TO OFFER HD RADIO THROUGHOUT IT'S ENTIRE PRODUCT RANGE
Announcement Extends BMW's Leadership Position Among Auto Makers in Rollout of Digital AM and FM Radio Technology

Woodcliff Lake, NJ-January 5,2007 BMW expands it's pioneering position in providing high quality audio systems by becoming the first automotive firm to offer a factory installed HD Radio receiver as an option across it's entire 2007 product line. This option, which now includes HD Radio multicast reception capabilities will be availible on all 2007 3,5,6,7, X3, X5 and Z4 models.

HD Radio is one of the most significant advances in radio broadcasting history, providing listeners with enhanced digital audio quality and clear, noise-free reception, as well as multicasting and on screen text information. The HD Radio ulticasting feature allows FM stations to transmit multiple channels of digital programming simultaneously in a single frequency.

Of the more than 1,100 stations broadcasting in HD across the country, more than 500 FM stations are offering a second (HD2) and in many cases a third (HD3) multicast channel. For example, WAMU in Washington, DC, offers 3 channels; 88.5-1 a simulcast of it's news/talk analog channel; 88.5-2 a simulcast of an innovative Baltimore music station not available in DC; and 88.5-3, bluegrass music. These channels are free but can only be found with HD Radio receivers. As with all HD Radio programming, there are no fees or additional costs associated with multicast channels.

The number of HD Radio stations is growing daily and is expected to clear 3,000 in a couple of years. A complete list of stations can be found at www.hdradio.com

Today's announcement continues BMW's history of groundbreaking premium audio offerings. In the fall of 2005, the company announced the first OEM availability of HD Radio technology in the 2006 7 and 6 series. In June of 2006, the company announced that HD Radio receivers would be available in the 2007 5 series models and last month announced the first factory-installed multicast capable HD Radio in the 2007 3 series convertible.

The HD Radio option will have a Suggested Retail Price of $500.

[blue8]

From Leftlane News
Report: BMW planning X4 crossover coupe
jan11-x4.jpg

It's no secret BMW is developing a "coupe" version of its X5 off-roader, called the X6. Company officials have confirmed its development, and spy photographers have spotted prototypes in testing.

But the X6 isn't the only crossover-coupe under development at BMW, if Germany's Auto Bild is to be believed. According to the latest issue of the magazine, BMW is also working on a coupe version of the X3, called the X4. While the larger X6 has four doors, the X4 has just two.

It's not known if the X4 is currently under development — or if the project has even been approved — but it's clear BMW is serious about this emerging "Sport Activity Vehicle" segment.

[blue8]

From Leftlane News:
Spied: Next-generation BMW Z4? Z6? Z8? Z9?

Spy photographers have snapped photos of a new BMW roadster in testing on public roads in Munich. The spies at KGP Photography believe the vehicle is the next-generation BMW Z4, while the team at Hidden Image say it's the forthcoming Z9 — a successor to the BMW Z8 and a competitor to the Mercedes SL-Class.

This prototype appears slightly larger than the existing Z4, but perhaps not large enough to be BMW's forthcoming Mercedes SL competitor. In November, Hidden Image said BMW was working on a successor to the Z4 that would be named Z6. The name change would reflect the new car's increased dimensions.

UPDATE: according to the Leftlane news update, this is the upcoming Z9
Spyshots: http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/01/11/spied-bmw-z9/

[ZfrkS62]

uhh...if the X6 is a coupe, then how can it have 4 doors? :?

and the link in your second post doesn't work

[Just_me]

uhh...if the X6 is a coupe, then how can it have 4 doors? :?



ask Mercedes, they invented this with their CLS ;)

[ae86_16v]

uhh...if the X6 is a coupe, then how can it have 4 doors? :?



ask Mercedes, they invented this with their CLS ;)

Or how about the RX-8? :lol:

[Just_me]

The new M-package

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7082/mte92vw6.jpg

[Ghostbat]

^
Looks excellent.

[thepest]

Looks super, and I'm glad they put the 2l diesel, too!

[thepest]

Here, some more pics

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54607&stc=1&d=1168626386

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54608&stc=1&d=1168626386

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54609&stc=1&d=1168626386

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54611&stc=1&d=1168626390

[Ghostbat]

Should have double exhaust pipes. Else than that :good:

[TopGearNL]

M package looks superb on the 3 series! :D

[Just_me]

Should have double exhaust pipes. Else than that :good:

it will on more expensive versions of 3-series

[Just_me]

2 doors 1er

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2981/1bmw1seriesthreedoorsx9.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1bmw1seriesthreedoorsx9.jpg)

[thepest]

And here is an official video
http://www.bmwarchiv.de/video/bmw-1er-3-tuerer.html

[Just_me]

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/225/carscoopbmw11pk5.th.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw11pk5.jpg)http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6350/carscoopbmw13xt4.th.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw13xt4.jpg)
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1852/carscoopbmw14rv2.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw14rv2.jpg)http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/669/carscoopbmw15ut6.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw15ut6.jpg)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8486/carscoopbmw16ke3.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw16ke3.jpg)http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1255/carscoopbmw17vn5.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw17vn5.jpg)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9969/carscoopbmw12mg3.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=carscoopbmw12mg3.jpg)

[TopGearNL]

I hate the look of the 3 door, don't know why :bah:

[thepest]

And the new engines coming with the 3-door version:
116i - 115 hp
118i - 143 hp
120i - 170 hp
130i - 265 hp (unfortunatelly not the 272)

118d - 143 hp
120d - 177 hp !

[Just_me]

I hate the look of the 3 door, don't know why :bah:

I love it, just look at this pic. Stunning!!

http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2070116.003/2070116.003.mini7L.jpg

[Ghostbat]

^
Looks much better than the 4-door version but unfortunately it's still pretty ugly IMO.

[thepest]

I think it's great, especially with the face-lift now!
And really, that pic 2 posts above is showing it all, truelly cool!

[dutchmasterflex]

It's about damn time!

Looks great with 2 doors, much nicer than the 4 door. Although not many people like the 1-series, I'd love to own one a 130i coupe.. I just wouldn't want to pay for it.

Any word on when or if there will be a US release?

[pitfield]

It'snot thegreatest drive. An E90 is a muchbetter bet.

This is a reengineered Rover25 replacement don't forget.

[Just_me]

Latest M3 news!!!



At this moment we are currently in the photography and film shoot for the M3 Concept where we have been to Iceland and then currently in Dubai. the car is finished in Alpine White. The Dubai shoot involves the car undertaking possibly one of the worlds best roads and showcasing it's potential on the track. Whilst iceland is for scenery (cool-blue glaciers) and ambience.

The schedule goes like this : The production car will begin it's official photography and film shoot in April in the mountain regions of Spain and another location, where it will be a busy month as the next MINI variant undergoes photography in Tokyo. Prior to official release in July where it will appear amongst some other headliners at the BMW pavillion at the Frankfurt IAA in September , prior to European sales beginning before the close of of 2007 unless something happens.

As what I have been told the US release is in 2008 , It does not matter if you reckon the car is ready to launch as of now the early phases of marketing work commences as does the beginning of early production phases so that quality and error is retained and evaluated thoroughly. As I said work commences on the final areas of development and then work continues for adapting to other markets prior to the European market especially strict US legislation.

BMW are simply following the same idea as they had with the M5. Showcase ait as a Concept car build the anticipation levels watch the hysteria from afar and then introduce the production car.
The E60 M5 in europe had an intoduction a year later from the end of production of the E39 in July 2003.
Everything is on schedule.

****

The "production" car will have it's official media release in July with the final production car having it's international debut @ the IAA in Frankfurt in September . German and European sales are expected to begin shortly after which will then commence with the media release of the M3 Cabrio in November which might possibly debut at the Los Angeles show or the NAIS in January. US sales are expected to commence before the Spring .

Of course this is of course if everything runs to schedule in which delays may be inevitable if the development of a problem or delay appears. Although you are seeing almost finished cars on the streets , The development phase known as FEP continues right up to launch - The development programme for this car is very intensive it's a bit like a strict physical requirement for an elite military unit.

The new M3 in it's development has literally been to hell and back. The competition has now developed further and benchmarks such as the Aston Martin V8 Vantage and entry-mid level 911's have been assessed alongside the new M3.
Where you would never think they would be upagainst the previous M3 - This gives the clear impression of the strategic shift BMW have taken with the new M3 On which there is a clear reason why.

Keep the first week of March free in your diary

[inso]

http://www.bmw.de/bmw_aktuell/innovation/img/1er_kommstart_03_2007_700400.jpg

[dutchmasterflex]

^ 1er Looks great in those shoes.

The Dubai shoot involves the car undertaking possibly one of the worlds best roads and showcasing it's potential on the track.

Looking forward to the M3 press photos.. I'm sure the road they speak of in Dubai is that dude's long ass drive way which is also a public road which winds through the mountains.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/world.greatest.driving.road/dubai.mountain.road.2.500.jpg

[schnell318]

So there won´t be a four door version... only Coupe and Cabrio :cry:



Keep the first week of March free in your diary


:hmm:

[thepest]

Thanks for the info Just_me. I'm free in March ;)

Can't wait.... It's going to be a hell of a car, I bet!

[TopGearNL]

The 3-door 1-Series doesn't look right IMO... there's something wrong, I don't know what :? may be they should have changed the styling a bit as Opel did with the 3-door Astra aka GTC, to differenciate it from the 5-door version :?

Thats exactly what I think, its looks weird :?

[ZfrkS62]

The 3door 1er looks alot like the E36 318ti. Given it's market, i can see why.

It was supposed to be in the US for 07 but i don't know what happened with that :? The E87 is in our diagnostic tester so there's a chance Canada has it (They have an E46 320i apparently as one made it's way to our dealer a couple weeks ago) so i dunno :bah:

[ae86_16v]

So there won´t be a four door version... only Coupe and Cabrio :cry:


:hmm:

Probably staggered releases.

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ Is it a whole new car or a facelift? :?

[ae86_16v]

/\/\ Is it a whole new car or a facelift? :?

That would be the new car F01.

The facelift for the E65 happened already in 2006.

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ Is it a whole new car or a facelift? :?

That would be the new car F01.

The facelift for the E65 happened already in 2006.

I know it already had a facelift but it looks so the same :|

[ZfrkS62]

I dunno, that looks kind of old to me. I don't know why they would be using the old E65 lights in the rear. Roof lines look like the E65.

It still seems too early to be seeing F01 test mules out and about.

[blue8]

From Autoblog:
BMW leaning towards soft top for M3 convertible
http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/bmwconvertible1.jpg

Winding Road's adding credence to the belief that the new M3 convertible coming from BMW will be a ragtop. As in cloth instead of a retractable hardtop, which seems to be de rigueur these days. Even though the 330i and 335i E92 platform mates have a retractable hardtop, the extra weight is considered anathema to the M Group philosophy. The extra 440 pounds of that folding top is a big sacrifice for the noise and safety benefits. So a soft top seems to be plausible. If a soft top is used, however, it will need to be pretty strong. The added speed promised from that new V8 is going to require extra work from the Bavarian engineers. If the cloth can't stay quiet and sealed at speed, another option apparently being considered is a carbon fiber version of the hardtop. Sounds expensive. But cool.

Winding Road article:
WINDING ROAD’s inside sources confirm that BMW’s M Group is considering retaining a soft top design for the forthcoming M3 convertible, which would eschew the E92 platform’s latest folding hard top design on the 335i and 330i convertibles.

As BMW launched their new 3-series convertible in Arizona last week (we were there for the launch–look for our test drive in next month’s WINDING ROAD), questions continued to crop up concerning the top’s weight disadvantage. BMW loads extra pounds on the excellent 3-series coupe chassis by moving to Edscha’s folding top design, which is beautiful and quiet by any measure. But, 440 pounds is 440 pounds is 440 pounds.

For the more discriminating M Group within BMW, saving weight will be one of their top priorities. Some keen observers would probably suggest that BMW should instead drop their V-8 engine idea if they really wanted to save weight, but we digress. With the V-8 engine on the way for both the M3 coupe and convertible, weight savings will be especially important. Right now the company is working to develop a special soft top which would withstand the M3’s high speeds while retaining high levels of interior quietness.

Another option on the table at the moment, according to our source, would be to keep the folding hard top concept, but with carbon fiber panels and carbon fiber arm extensions. This would be costly, for sure, but it would achieve a higher level of interior noise reduction without much weight.

--assuming this is true, a soft-top M3 convertible is great news!!

[Just_me]

UPDATE!!

M3 E92 is getting 426hp, smg and manual are the options. The price is getting closer to RS4 .

[ZfrkS62]

Winding Road has no credibility here anymore :wink:

[TopGearNL]

UPDATE!!

M3 E92 is getting 426hp, smg and manual are the options. The price is getting closer to RS4 .

That made me smile bigtime :D

[ae86_16v]

UPDATE!!

M3 E92 is getting 426hp, smg and manual are the options. The price is getting closer to RS4 .

What's that? 75k USD?

[ZfrkS62]

it's going to be enough that the E46 M3 probably won't drop in price as much as we thought.

[chest3r]

I always thought it would cost less than the current RS4.

The RS4 costs 108.000 euros here ( the same as a 911 Carrera ), I thought the M3 would be something around 95.000 euros :roll:

[thepest]

UPDATE!!

M3 E92 is getting 426hp, smg and manual are the options. The price is getting closer to RS4 .

Big smile over here, but what's your source??

[thepest]

^ Ok I can back that 426hp claim up, now! I checked on a few places. It's not official, but I'd say 90% + true!

[ae86_16v]

New pics. In my opinion, it looks waaaaay better than the regular Sport Aero kit.

M Sport due March 2007:


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http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35579

[dutchmasterflex]

I always hated the regular BMW front bumper/spoilers. M Sport package looks great.. the new M3 should look real nice with the beefed up hood.

[ae86_16v]

I always hated the regular BMW front bumper/spoilers. M Sport package looks great.. the new M3 should look real nice with the beefed up hood.

Yeah, I think the new M3 bumper will probably look very similar to this one. After all this one seem like it is model after the current M5 and M6 bumpers.

[ZfrkS62]

i really don't think they should launch the aero kit before the M3 :? that's going to spoil a lot of it.

[bmwdriver]

New pics. In my opinion, it looks waaaaay better than the regular Sport Aero kit.

M Sport due March 2007:




nice one :D, I like it

[ae86_16v]

i really don't think they should launch the aero kit before the M3 :? that's going to spoil a lot of it.

I guess it has a lot to do with their aggressive "Life Cycle" changes.

[inso]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/03/spied-bmw-1-series-coupe/

[Stoopie]

^ Nice! Looks better than the 1-series that's outthere now, I don't like that short ass of the car.

[TT]

Since there was a post about the M package for the 3 series coupé, here is a nice black one I spotted today :love: gorgeous :)
http://img129.imagevenue.com/loc139/th_99515_04_02_2007_035_122_139lo.jpg (http://img129.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=99515_04_02_2007_035_122_139lo.jpg) http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc217/th_99521_04_02_2007_037_122_217lo.jpg (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=99521_04_02_2007_037_122_217lo.jpg) http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc93/th_00643_04_02_2007_032_122_93lo.jpg (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00643_04_02_2007_032_122_93lo.jpg)

[thepest]

WOW great pics, I love the M-pachage.

Thanks TT!

edit: I have to correct myself (and you) this is not the M-Package, it's the OEM Aero one. The M-package is the one introduced on the blue 320d we saw a few days back.

[TT]

Ah shit. Shame on me then :)

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ Never mind.

It still looks gorgeous!

Nice pics! :D

[ae86_16v]

Yeah, the M Sport is suppose to have a wider center intake.

Thanks for the pics TT.

[chest3r]

I was expecting a really good looking car. That test mule looks horrible, but that's because they hide the final lines of the car very well. :wink:

Edit: Ups, sorry. I was talking about the 1 series coupe test mule

[ae86_16v]

M5 Touring Video

2007 BMW M5 Touring V10 promotional video - YouTube

[ZfrkS62]

M5 Touring Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dV37F_VZpc&mode=related&search=

i really don't see the hype about the M5 touring. It's not coming to the US, there's no market for it.

The stigma behind a station wagon here, no matter what it's got under the hood, is that it's for soccer moms who don't like being up high. So why spend 90K on one?

[ae86_16v]

I would dig one :) .

[chest3r]

I bet it will looks something like this

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63860.jpg

8) 8)

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ Thats awful :x

[deuces]

^^i agree, looks too cheap and the rear end is very volvo

[ae86_16v]

A few more months until Geneva. Probably be close to $70k after all the options. Remember when the E46 M3 first came out, there were $10k premiums on them right off the bat, at least here in California anyways.

[ZfrkS62]

It goes without saying that the switch to a V8 from an I6 should boast more torque, but being a low displacement engine, the torque won't come in in the low end the way the Mercedes engine will. Expect to see midrange power with a power band starting around 3-3200 rpm and top end power that should pull in the first 4 gears all the way to redline, which by my estimate, should be around 8200-8500. Also, given the rev range, i'm expecting some Banshee like exhaust notes :twisted:

Now, here's the tricky part: will BMW go for a lighter car than Audi and leave it around the same power level, or will they go heavier and take on Mercedes' yet to be confirmed numbers? I am hoping the third option, heaver/weaker isn't exercised. With the SMG unit, i don't see it being a whole lot lighter than the current E92.

I am also expecting the same tricks on the new motor (following the revision of the engine codes, my guess is it will be the S61 or the S63) that they used on the S85 in terms of electronics. With a 55K price tag, that actually keeps it around the E46 Convertible IIRC. So, I don't think the price is too bad for what we're gong to be getting.

Seeing the M3 launched in 2008 is going to make the transition to the new 7 much, much easier :twisted:

[silentm]

I bet it will looks something like this

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63860.jpg

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it looks like it's bloated around the rear wheels :?

[vexor]

Spy vid of the E92 M3

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/videos/spy-video-of-bmw%e2%80%99s-e92-m3/

I have congratulate the cameraman, filming while driving at those speeds...

[ViperASR]

the sound :love:

[ae86_16v]

Spy vid of the E92 M3

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/videos/spy-video-of-bmw%e2%80%99s-e92-m3/

I have congratulate the cameraman, filming while driving at those speeds...

Haha, the best cameraman/driver combo has to go to the guy driving a Ford Mustang chasing a Carrera GT a few years ago. Hilarious, but he did an excellent job too.

Damn, this new M3 is gonna be fast.

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ Nice spy vid!

Makes a good noise aswell!