Honda VS THE BIG RED

honda is improving along with toyota. I think with in the next 5 years honda will be on top. Just like what happened in CHAMP CAR. Just give them time to get some experience[/img]

[SPEEDKILLAR]

Originally Posted by shady view honda is improving along with toyota. I think with in the next 5 years honda will be on top. Just like what happened in CHAMP CAR. Just give them time to get some experience[/img]

Nobody fucks around with Toyota end of discussion

[ae86_16v]

Well remember that Honda has been there before w/ McLaren.

Yeah, but Toyota is spending A LOT of money to buy a championship. This years team will be around 500million dollars, right up there with Ferrari. But F1 has a very steep learning curve. The question is if Toyota keeps spending like they are now, is not "If" they'll win a championship, it is simply a matter of "When".

The BAR006 w/ the Honda engine and Jenson driving definitely looked good at Melbourne.

I think we could see either one of those teams on top before 5 years. . . maybe in the next 2 to 3.

[SPEEDCORE]

The way things are currently heading I dont see Honda winning with BAR anytime soon... Toyota on the other hand might become a Top 4 within 5years and maybe win within 10years,

CONSTRUCTORS CHAMPIONSHIP POSITIONS:
POS CONSTRUCTOR POINTS
1. FERRARI 33
2. WILLIAMS-BMW 17
3. RENAULT 14
4. BAR-HONDA 9
5. MCLAREN-MERCEDES 4
6. SAUBER-PETRONAS 1

[5vz-fe]

Yeah...honda had done an excellent job over the winter and the reliability of the engine has been improved dramtically (from what I see so far)

Toyota, I think their money is down the drain, the performance they get on track is not proportional to the money they spend

[Tomerville]

What happened to Toyota anyway this season?

MALAYSIAN GRAND PRIX RESULTS - MARCH 21, 2004 - 56 LAPS
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT LAPS TIRE TIME/RETIRE
1. MICHAEL SCHUMACHER Germany Ferrari 56 1h31m07.490
2. JUAN PABLO MONTOYA Colombia Williams-BMW 56 5.022
3. JENSON BUTTON Britain BAR-Honda 56 11.568
4. RUBENS BARRICHELLO Brazil Ferrari 56 13.615
5. JARNO TRULLI Italy Renault 56 37.360
6. DAVID COULTHARD Britain McLaren-Mercedes 56 53.098
7. FERNANDO ALONSO Spain Renault 56 1m07.877
8. FELIPE MASSA Brazil Brazil 55 1 Lap
9. CRISTIANO DA MATTA Brazil Toyota 55 1 Lap
10. CHRISTIAN KLIEN Austria Jaguar-Cosworth 55 1 Lap
11. GIANCARLO FISICHELLA Italy Sauber-Petronas 55 1 Lap
12. OLIVIER PANIS France Toyota 55 1 Lap
13. GIORGIO PANTANO Italy Jordan-Ford 54 2 Laps
14. GIANMARIA BRUNI Italy Minardi-Cosworth 53 3 Laps
15. TAKUMA SATO Japan BAR-Honda 52 4 Laps
16. ZSOLT BAUMGARTNER Hungary Minardi-Cosworth

Toyota is not doing to good so far

check this out
http://www.grandprix.com/race/r715raceresults.html

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE The way things are currently heading I dont see Honda winning with BAR anytime soon... Toyota on the other hand might become a Top 4 within 5years and maybe win within 10years,

How do you figure? BAR is doing really well so far. . .

[crsbarnard]

I would like to see Honda return to their former glory hopefully with BAR.
David Richards seems to have done a good job with Prodrive with the rallies etc.
so he seems capable of steering BAR to the top.

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by crsbarnard I would like to see Honda return to their former glory hopefully with BAR. David Richards seems to have done a good job with Prodrive with the rallies etc. so he seems capable of steering BAR to the top.

Looks like they are well on their way. Another double points finish for BAR and another podium finish for Button. Bravo.

[bmwfreak]

Yes, congratulations to Jenson. What a drive! I watched the race from start to finish. Sato had a blinder as well. If he hadnt been a victim of Ralf's misplaced aggression, he might have been way up there as well.

BAR are looking REALLY good. They might even win a race this year. If renault could do it last year, BAR are in with a shout as well.

As for McLaren... Oh dear.

[5vz-fe]

Hey now, don't say anything bad about Mclaren now........they give a good show.
I really think they did............... nice fireworks....that cost money you know?

[5vz-fe]

1 Year for Formula 1 Developement at Mclaren 300million pounds
Michellin Racing Tires 1000 each
Drivers Salary at Mclaren 5million pounds

Blowing up every race so far for 2004 for Kimi........PRICELESS

There's something money can buy, but for blowups there's Kimi's Mclaren 0X

[sentra_dude]

Originally Posted by ae86_16v Yeah, but Toyota is spending A LOT of money to buy a championship. This years team will be around 500million dollars, right up there with Ferrari.

You're delusional...Ferrari's budget is ~330million US dollars and Toyota's is around 300 million...not 500million.