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CWW · 03-09-2007, 09:32 AM

From Mechanix Illustrated, 8-1949

TopGearNL · 03-09-2007, 09:35 AM

Thats a great little article! :shock:

Saved!

CWW · 03-09-2007, 09:37 AM

Does anybody know how many of those are still on the roads?

sameerrao · 03-09-2007, 10:39 AM

I did some research.

It is a 166 - the 125 made 100hp - 2 cars were produced, both of which were parted out to make the 159/166 models. There is a replica 125 out there but no original car. The 166 made between 110-140hp

$15000 (or $125000 in today's money) --> very expensive particularly for the post war era when countries were in the process of rebuilding industry.

http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/Ferrari125S1.htm
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/Ferrari166S.htm

Erez · 03-09-2007, 12:49 PM

thats great! for 15K i'll have one!

r2r · 03-09-2007, 06:44 PM

That's a really cool looking Ferrari!

TopGearNL · 03-09-2007, 06:49 PM

My dads Ford Mondeo produces 145 HP

Anyway great car, thanks Dani and Sameer for the info!!

novass · 03-09-2007, 06:52 PM

Why is this in "Car Trivia"?

Either way, great article. As Sameer said, its a 166. I love the 166, it has a really nice shape to it. The only thing I don't like is that the steering wheel is so freaking massive that you hit your knees on it.

ARMAN · 03-09-2007, 06:54 PM

Thats gorgeous looking car

Looking at those old beauties makes you think how hard is to make a vintage looking car body by yourself on the modern car chassis and all or just using the basic knowledge and equipment that is available build a Ford-T-like(or cars of its era) car just for fun of it its pretty simple in the basis right?

I am not sure if anyone let you drive it on the road thou

nthfinity · 03-09-2007, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by sameerrao

I did some research.

It is a 166 - the 125 made 100hp - 2 cars were produced, both of which were parted out to make the 159/166 models. There is a replica 125 out there but no original car. The 166 made between 110-140hp

$15000 (or $125000 in today's money) --> very expensive particularly for the post war era when countries were in the process of rebuilding industry.

http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/Ferrari125S1.htm
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/Ferrari166S.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_166_S

oldest known ferrari to exist, isn't it?

TopGearNL · 03-09-2007, 07:10 PM

^^

1950 166 MM Touring Barchetta was recently uncovered in a barn and was shown in public for the first time since 1959 in the August 2006 issue of Cavallino magazine.

I wish that was my barn! :shock:

novass · 03-09-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by nthfinity

oldest known ferrari to exist, isn't it?

Pretty much, yes. The oldest known Ferrari in existence is a 166MM, serial #002C, which is now owned by James Glickenhaus (same guy that has the P4/5). However, that particular car has been fitted with 3 different bodies and 3 different engines, so I don't know how "original" it is. They were all various Ferrari bodies and Ferrari engines though I believe.

It can also be argued that the 166, s/n 010I, has the oldest known chassis too.
Taken from Wikipedia

S/n 010I, or 01C, has recently been restored to its original condition. The car contains the chassis of the very first Ferrari.

It is rumored that 01C was rebuilt as 010I, but forensic evidence has not proven this as yet

Either way I think some kind of 166 is the oldest known Ferrari in existence. I can imagine that when Enzo first started his business there were a lot of parts, chassis', and bodies being reused on different cars for different races due to a lack of finances so the original cars are all mixed up now.

nthfinity · 03-09-2007, 08:18 PM

^^

even if 01C was rebuilt, the chassis was smashed, and would've had to go through massive remanufacturing to fit its "current" chassis... its what, 8 inches longer then the 01C chassis, and the way the rear suspension is mounted wouldn't work on the original body work... no evidence has been presented that there the 01C stamping is any large portion of that car... sure, 01C may have parts in 010I, but surely it's original owner (the count if im not mistaken) would've been disapointed if it were in fact weren't the "same" as the grand prix car he requested...

hehe

0X 0X 0X 0X 0X

What is it they say?

Mattk · 03-09-2007, 11:39 PM

How times have changed. Back in 1948, 140hp was great. Now, that would be pathetic for a sports car, esp one with a 12-cyl engine.

nthfinity · 03-09-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mattk

How times have changed. Back in 1948, 140hp was great. Now, that would be pathetic for a sports car, esp one with a 12-cyl engine.

actually, 140 hp wasn't great in terms of power, it was great in terms of power vs. overall vehicle weight.

SSC Duesenbergs were running 320 hp in a straight 8 cylinder configuration DOHC back in the mid 30's... of course, you get what you pay for... same price as 40 flathead V8 ford's give or take... and making 260 hp +- w/out the supercharger.

the 140 hp was a small displacement v12... which I read Enzo did V12's because he liked the sound of the Packard Twin 6 (which made 180 ish hp some 30 years earlier)

not to metion record breaking cars, like the Napier Railton 24 liter 550 hp endurance car from the 20's