Viper tuned by Mclaren

[bmagni]

so the mule spotted is supposed thats gonna be a Viper tuned by no other than McLaren.

Originally Posted by AutoWeek A hidden gem tucked away in the basement at January’s Detroit auto show was the Diamondback Viper coupe, an American Specialty Cars concept featuring a 615-hp V10 tuned by McLaren Performance Technologies. ASC broadly winked when asked if it planned to build the car, noting the company was already aware of potential problems with the concept’s 10 air intakes poking up through the lightweight carbon fiber hood (ASC also used carbon fiber for the roof, decklid and rocker panels, shaving 85 pounds off the concept’s curb weight). It looks like they’ve tackled the intake issue—note the holes in this prototype’s hood, caught by one of our regular spy shooters, and by a reader in Idaho Springs, Colorado. We hear this killer Viper is already producing 650 hp, which ought to be good for 0 to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds—or less. Our best guess is Dodge will use this ASC/McLaren project to bridge a 2007 model-year gap, during which Dodge reportedly plans no regular production Vipers.

[dutchmasterflex]

I had a feeling it wasnt the "new" viper.

Interesting to see McLaren with Dodge but it makes sense because of the ties with MB... I never would of thought DCX would of ever existed

[dannyroz]

Could McLaren please do some research and development on my civic?

[bmagni]

Originally Posted by Ronin005 who cares, it doesnt stop the viper from being the POS it is!! it can have 1000hp and it will still blow chunks!!

why is it a POS ?? its a great car thats on par with european similars...

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by bmagni Originally Posted by Ronin005 who cares, it doesnt stop the viper from being the POS it is!! it can have 1000hp and it will still blow chunks!! why is it a POS ?? its a great car thats on par with european similars...

by on par, do you actually mean greater then?

i mean.... F430 = <500 hp
911 Turbo = <500 hp
Spyker = < 500 hp
Aston Martin doesnt handle as well with its 500 hp car
Ascari KZ1 = <600 hp
Lamborghini LP640 = <650 hp
Koenigsegg CCS = Supposed new viper thereabouts

so..... how much do you have to spend to equal where the new viper is supposedly?

oh and on its handling, the Viper has already long since been proven one of the best handling, and stopping cars in the world

[bmagni]

i meant on par performance wise... and as you say its also been proved that it has a great handling.

[ice]

If by greater then, do u mean more powerful? 8.3 litres, hmm, itd better damn well have 500+hp.

If by better handling, do u mean grip levels? BEcuase the feedback of a viper is terrible, its not agile and its not nearly the same type of car as the Ascari, F430 or 911 turbo. Hell, the viper plays second fiddle to the new vette.

Personally, the viper to me is an impressive car, the definitive american sports car, the one where id spend my money. But to compare it to those at this point is flat ridiculous. Theres more to a sports car then its skidpad numbers and hp figures.

[nthfinity]

Theres more to a sports car then its skidpad numbers and hp figures.

like lap times?

oh, and all we really know about this new viper is a supposed horse power figure... why wouldn't they update the chassis/suspension etc. ?

on lap times, the viper race cars are based on the viper road cars competing in the GT1 catagorie, where our F430's are competing in GT2/GT3 cagagories... and such

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by Ronin005 it isn't always about hp, not to mention the size engine the viper and vette have they better have high hp numbers!!

It's cheaper, and more reliable under high displacement... small blocks aren't all that big phisically, while displacement of the air is

is there anything wrong with providing a more reliable engine base that produces as much/more hp then the others?

if the Euro makes wanted hp levels that high don't you think they would have them better yet if they needed them that high they would have them.

they do have them, they cost umpteen brazillion dollers

though, they don't need such high hp number to make a sale, where as thats probably the only way dodge and chevy can make sales!!

so, what exactly constatutes as a sports car to you? this is where it gets confusing from my perspective looking at you... to me, a sports car has the delicate balance of power/grip/stopping... its simply less work to for a maker to stop a car that can go 130 mph then a car that can touch 190 mph... let alone, cool it, and keep it earth bound, and reliable.

look at the euro sports cars, they do make high hp, good handling/stopping cars that compete against each other in order to get good sales.... porsche is a fraciton the price of a Ferrari/Lamborghini, yet their aim is to under cut thier price, and perform as good, or better.

since there is nothing wrong with that, why is it so wrong for the americans to even undercut the germans in price

and since when has the viper been anywhere near considered a good handling car??

um..... since it came out..... then when it entered the world stage, and was dominating FIA GT. Even in street trim, it has so much grip, you would shit yourself.... its only when you over step that bound that it kills you.... sound like a mclaren F1?

in no vid i have seen or in any article that i have read has there been anything good said about its handling!!

i believe you have said you dont read anything on cars you have no interest in.... that seems to explain your lack of knowlege here

and i don't think they "new" viper will be hitting 800hp and if it does it will be at the hands of McLaren innovation and not american innovation!!

nowhere did i say 800 hp, (CCR/CCX) it has been said 650 hp (keonigsegg CCS)

oh, and since when does McLaren know anything about engines?... EVER

funny how they needed the foreigners to come show them how to get more hp from the american massive engine!! tisk tisk!!

i still think this is bunk to get people's attention

[bmagni]

Originally Posted by Ronin005 and since when has the viper been anywhere near considered a good handling car??

I've read on several magazines how the Viper handles good, performing lat g's on a skidpad of more than 1.0 in the GTS, GTS-R, ACR and SRT-10 versions. The only problem they say, is how hard to control the torque is... and thats just mags...

And as nth says it owned europeans on GT races... winning LeMans, the GT championships, no to mention being the OVERALL WINNER in the 2000 Daytona 24...
Lets see what becomes of the new Oreca Viper.

Originally Posted by Ronin005 funny how they needed the foreigners to come show them how to get more hp from the american massive engine!! tisk tisk!!

dude a not so tuned Hennessey Viper would own awfuly a Novitec something, maybe the ones who needed a better prestige were McLaren after that failure called SLR that they did with some europeans called Mercedes... :roll:
Hennesseys can produce more than 1000 hp... I don't see where the help is needed

[666fast]

[quote[Hennesseys can produce more than 1000 hp... I don't see where the help is needed[/quote]

SVS has them over 1500bhp.

I've read numerous articles loving the Vipers abilities. The big concern of it's handling is when it's on it's edge. With no traction control (or any driver aid) to speak of, there isa fine line between "this is awesome" and "holy crap I'm gonna die".

This McLardodge is kind of neat. I'm sure they could do good things with it, but I'm not too interested. Plus, that hood is on another level of ugliness.

[nthfinity]

This McLardodge is kind of neat. I'm sure they could do good things with it, but I'm not too interested. Plus, that hood is on another level of ugliness.

I was just discussing this with somebody else..

but who is to say that this is the same Mclaren as the F1, and formula 1 team, and SLR fame?

they dont do engines, they dont know engines... its not thier job.... every engine they have ever used is contracted out, or outsourced if you will.

this is likely some American company named Mclaren

[Vansquish]

Well...this is all very interesting...but I'm not actually convinced it's the ASC Mclaren Viper that has been speculated upon above. I've heard other rumors regarding those exact pictures. Rather than a Mclaren (the Detroit-based company)/ DCX cooperative venture, I've seen speculation to suggest that it's in fact the next-gen Viper, yes, with 600-650bhp, but from Dodge itself for the 2008 model year.

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Well...this is all very interesting...but I'm not actually convinced it's the ASC Mclaren Viper that has been speculated upon above. I've heard other rumors regarding those exact pictures. Rather than a Mclaren (the Detroit-based company)/ DCX cooperative venture, I've seen speculation to suggest that it's in fact the next-gen Viper, yes, with 600-650bhp, but from Dodge itself for the 2008 model year.

it is 100% the dev. mule for the 2008 Viper

I'm hoping to get mothership knowledge from above this weekend regarding it... we'll see

[taygunho]

I have a fifthgear video about viper and corvette. Tiff Said viper has massive torque and power and it is fast because of them but at the track corvette is better than that. Maybe viper tuned by Mclaren would be better than orginal but I don't think Mclaren will tune viper enigne becaue like before said Mclaren don't knows about engines. Mclaren formula 1 race cars has Ilmor engines , Mclaren f1 has BMW engine and SLR has MErcedes engine. So it seems Mclaren will tune vipers chasis and gear or others not eingne.