All time fastest drivers in formulas

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

1- Ayrton Senna
2- Juan Manuel Fangio
3- Antonio Ascari
4- Michael Schumacher
5- Nelson Piquet
6- Didier Pironi
7- Elio de Angelis

[dons5]

whos antonia Ascari wand why is he always rated better then Alberto? was he his bro? did he die way before Ascari?? Juan Manual Fangio was awesome but i think not as good as many people say, he was in the dominant car every year

[dropot2]

Do you know which parameters they have used? Or it's just a journalist opinion?

[dropot2]

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas 1.- Alex Yoong 2.- Esteban Tuero 3.- Jean Paul Belmondo 4.- Bertrand Gachot 5.- Andrea Montermini 6.- Giorgio Pantano 7.- Christian Klien 8.- Ayrton Senna 9.- Michael Schumacher 10.- Jim Clark That's my own ranking of the fastest guys in F1...

I think you should turn your note-book 180º...

[dropot2]

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas BTW, congrats for your 1000 post!

LOL! Thank you dani...but I feel a little bit embarrassed! You entered some months later than me and you doubled my post in very few time! ops: But now the word "super" appears in my avatar!!! 8) 8) 8)

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Originally Posted by mrmojo77 Originally Posted by dropot2 Do you know which parameters they have used? Or it's just a journalist opinion? I don't know. But they have to be just some journalists opinion, they can't compare times.

Well, not necessarily. They could have used some parameters which could help to evaluate the drivers level in numbers as far as possible. It's obvious numbers are not deffinitive but they can help you.
For example, they could have investigated how many times each of these pilots were 10 % faster than his period rivals' lap, or how many times they beat a lap record, how many times they did the fastest lap,...etc

[dropot2]

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas For me the fastest driver is the one with more poles per GP... because in a pole position... it's just you, the car, and your best lap out of 12... I'm not refering to the current pole position sistem, I mean the old one, with 12 laps... So it's obvious that for me... the fastest ever is Senna.

I could be agree if we put some kind of parameter that could reduce the differences of technology of each epoch as much as possible. In this way you could put more or less drivers from different periods at "the same level", but you must ponder poles.

[dropot2]

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas I'm not talking about "total poles"... I mean poles per race, so if you had 10 poles out of 15, you're fast... that's the same for all the different F1 eras... wether if they had 10 races every season or 18.

I see...we are saying the same thing...then...why are we discussing? LOL!!

[sameerrao]

Originally Posted by dons5 whos antonia Ascari wand why is he always rated better then Alberto? was he his bro? did he die way before Ascari?? Juan Manual Fangio was awesome but i think not as good as many people say, he was in the dominant car every year

Antonio Ascari was Alberto's father not brother. They both shared the same fate - died at the age of 36 at the wheel of a race car. Antonio drove the Alfa P3.

J M Fangio was a great driver and a smart driver. Keep in mind that he was on average 20 years older than his teammates. - he was rarely dominated by his teammates - an illustrious list including the Two Fs - Farina and Fagioli, Moss, .... others. His tigrish drive in the 1957 Nurburgring was a awesome feat where he broke the lap record several times to snatch victory over the two Ferraris of Hawthorn and Collins. That was a display of speed and courage at the finest level. Fangio had the sense to pick the right horse as you pointed out - but I see it as a virtue.

But according to a reliable source in those days - Denis Jenkinson - the fastest driver in the 50s was Alberto Ascari.

Interesting list Mrmojo77 ... I love seeing George Boillot in the list - a ferocious Peugeot pilot if there ever was and of course the stars of the 30s - Rosemayer, Nuvolari (my alltime fave).

I can see positive arguments for all these drivers on the list - its a fair listing methinks.

Some drivers I can add to the list from a pure speed perspective:
- Ronnie Peterson (1970s)
- Rudi Caracciola (1920s and 30s)
- Guy Moll (1930s)
- Jackie Ickx (1960s)
- Stefan Bellof (1980s)

[Gilles27]

I don´t have enough knowledges about F1 to didn´t hear before who is Georges Boillot?

[Gilles27]

I don´t have enough knowledges about F1 to didn´t hear before who is Georges Boillot?

[takata]

how are the comparisons based on??

[sameerrao]

Gilles27 here you go!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Boillot

See these sites for more info about the other drivers

http://ddavid.com/formula1/

http://www.racing-database.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_motor_racing

[dons5]

Hey guys since racing was so different along all the years and u cant compare year to year, why dont we do best driver of like lets say around 1990 - present, or 1995 - present like around the last decade.

If it was me id pick:

1. M Schumacher
2. id have to pick Senna second to Michael just for the fact i didnt follow F1 when he was alive so i didnt actually get to see him perform from race - race weekend - weekend.

Ahh screw the list its too hard, i think the best drivers of the last 10-15 years are obviosuly Prost,Senna and Schumi but other then that id have to say,

SPECIAL DRIVERS:

- Fisichella - (beat all his teammates including Ralf Schuey, Button, Sato and Wurz who many people regard as really good, they say talent comes out at Moncao and hes one of the best at Monaco maybe just as good/better then M. Schumi himself, I have heard articles saying he has even more natural talent then Schumi but just Schumi knows how to extract it out better.

- Raikonnin - he beat his highly regarded teammate Nick Heidfeild in first year and in his first year was right with david, now hes absolutely destroying the guy.

- Alonso - from his first days in a Minardi you could tell he was special he seems like he can just get 99 percent performance out of the car instead like most other "good" drivers getting 96% - 98% (no noone can get absolutely 100 percent out of a car it is physically impossible unless you are God).


REALLY GOOD (but not in that really special way good like the above):

- D Hill won championship in 96, raced very well with Schumi in 95 and almost won in 94 although Schumi was dq'd from like 15 races that season lol.

- Villneuve - (maybe just maybe) but theres someone in my head tellin me he shouldnt be on this list, but i gotta put him here, he did win the championship in 97 although he had easily the best car and coulthard wasnt as good back then, but in 96 pole first race and kept Hill honest so he has to be on this list.

- Trulli - he can be blazingly fast but not consistent enough, although for first half of this year kept Alonso honest.

- Ralf - not consistent enough either but can be really fast if everything is absolutely perfect.

- Hakkinen - many people think that hes sooo sooo good, i think hes really good but not sooo sooo good. Yes in 98 and 99 he was awesome but thats only 2 years where he had easily the best car, what about in 2000 lets face it The Maclaren in general was better then the Ferrari in that year too (not all the time, but in general) and he maybe should have done a little better over the course of the year he was gettin a lot of pressure from Coulthard and even more in 01.

- Barrichello - at first he would of been in the "GOOD SOLID" list, but from 02 - present he really stepped up his game i think, (or maybe Michael stepped down? lol i doubt it) so hes in this list easily now.

- Heidfield - but its not actually proven yet that he deserves to be on this list as we need to see more of what he can do.

- Massa - same with him, not proven he deserves to be here but can be fast, might need to work more on race pace then over 1 lap, maybe in the future has the chance to go to "SPECIAL DRIVERS" list, not sure yet though.


GOOD SOLID DRIVERS

- Alesi - yes he was a fighter and super exciting to watch and everyone loved him, but he was no faster (although not slower either) then Berger at Ferrari, despite having that very good start to his career.

- Coulthard - I though maybe he could of been in the "REALLY GOOD" list but after getting annihalted in 2004 and 2003 by Raikonen hes not, he had part of 2000 and 2001 good but he was on and off. and 2002 looked good but thats jus cause it was only raikonnen's 2nd year.

- Berger - should probably be on this list too although i didnt really watch him but from what i do know him and Alesi were really matched when they were together at Ferrari.

- Frentzen - at first he should be in "REALLY GOOD" drivers but in 2000 Trulli beat him in general over the season and should of beaten Heidfield in 2003 due to way more experience but they were equal instead.

- Irvine - maybe could be on this list not sure though

and probably other drivers too but i cant remember and dont feel like trying to rememebr them all.

Then theres Montoya and Webber and Button, right now i would have to put them in the middle between "SPECIAL DRIVERS" and "REALLY GOOD" because they seem like they might be able to be in "SPECIAL DRIVERS" Montoya being better then Ralfy most of the times even though he had way less experience, and Webber destroying Pizzonia and doing some very good quali and races in his peice of junk Jaguar, and Button doing really good (although Sato was close especially nearer the end of the season) but i need more proof to actual select which list they go too.

We will find the proof this year for Montoya since hes with Raikonen, and same with Fisi and Alonso (many rumours still goin on about Alonso treatmeant and favoritism to keep his confidence up cause he is the future and the team is built around him, i dont believe them but i dont not believe them i just dont know). And it would of been perfect if Button went with Webber to really see how good they are.

Oh ya and Mansell he was like Alesi but probably with more speed, i think he would have to be with "SPECIAL DRIVERS" but im not sure havent seen enough of him.

lol p.s. I hope many people reply and read this as this took me a lot of time to write lol, i wonder if i should just start a new thread "Best drivers of last 10 - 15 Years"??

By the way the drivers in each category are in no order, but random.

[Toronto]

^^^^ Schumacher is also one of the best in the wet. Just as good as Senna some times.

J M Fangio wasn't on the limit fast, he would be proud to say that he could win a race at a speed only needed to win.