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Old 07-25-2004, 03:20 PM   #1
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DaimlerChrysler to Ford: It's time to pull over.

The German automaker's Chrysler Group hopes to become a serious contender in the police-car market with a police version of the Hemi-powered Dodge Magnum, which will go on sale next year.

The automaker said Thursday that the Magnum will offer the ultimate in police-car performance, packing up to 340 horsepower for its Hemi V8 models. The automaker also will offer a police model with a 3.5-liter V6 engine that will get up to 250 horsepower, the company said. Both models will be rear-wheel drive.

A Hemi is a powerful engine named for the shape of its combustion chamber.

The civilian version of the Magnum hit showrooms in May. The police version will include such features as heavier-duty breaks and suspension.

This fall, Chrysler will make available to police a Magnum designed for non-pursuit duties. The V6-powered special service Magnum will be called the SXT.

Experts say the Magnum could be the first major competitor to Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor in a long time. The Crown Victoria owns about 80 percent of the market and has been the overwhelming choice of law enforcement officials since the late 1990s.

The Crown Victoria has come under scrutiny in the past few years due to fuel-tank fires following high-speed, rear-end collisions that have killed 18 officers. The fires have worried police departments, and some have opted to add their own safety features to the vehicles, such as fuel-tank bladders, which are protective tank liners.

Ford insists that its police vehicles are safe, a contention supported by a federal government investigation.

Police departments throughout the nation stand by the Crown Vic because it is the only full-frame, rear-wheel-drive car option.

There's a perception among the police community that rear-wheel-drive vehicles have better handling and durability than front-wheel-drive cars because of the way they are structured.

Chrysler had offered the Dodge Intrepid as a police car, but it never gained much popularity because it had front-wheel drive.

The Magnum's fuel tank is in front of the rear axle, which experts say provides an added level of safety for the gas tank. The Crown Victoria's gas tank is behind the rear axle. Critics have said the Crown Victoria's design leaves the fuel tank unprotected.

James Manning, public information officer with the Auburn Hills Police Department, said the department is considering ordering Magnums to replace its Dodge Intrepids. He said officers are most impressed with the vehicle's space.

"I think they'll welcome them," he said. "The officers got to drive the Magnum. They were impressed with the amount of room."

But just because the Magnum is a rear-wheel-drive car doesn't mean it will necessarily drive the Crown Victoria off the road.

Art Spinella, who studies the industry for CNW Marketing/Research, said police officers like the Crown Vics despite all the controversy. Part of that stems from the fact that the car is easy to repair and maintain. Parts for the vehicles are also plentiful because the car has been on the road for some time.

"When we do surveys of police departments -- which is about every 18 months -- the Crown Victoria is the vehicle of choice at least 70 percent" of the time, Spinella said.

"There will be some departments that try the Magnum, but it will be a hard sell."

Ford officials say they expect their company to hold its ground.

"Police officers really love the Crown Victoria," said Carolyn Brown, a Ford spokeswoman. "It gives them the power, performance and the package they need."

Gerry Appie, manager of fleet and engineering for the Chrysler Group, said there are no sales or market share targets for the Magnum police car.
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Old 07-25-2004, 03:29 PM   #2
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Police cars are not about "performance only"

The car needs to be able to be tough and reliable and survive hours of idling and driver abuse. Plus have a decent air conditioner... something Chrysler is unable to produce.

I predict this car will be a still-born failure...
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:29 PM   #3
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The Crown Victoria has come under scrutiny in the past few years due to fuel-tank fires following high-speed, rear-end collisions that have killed 18 officers. The fires have worried police departments, and some have opted to add their own safety features to the vehicles, such as fuel-tank bladders, which are protective tank liners.
id say for the hundreds of thousands of cars and nature of the accidents this is not really much of an issue
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:50 PM   #4
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They'll never make it. IMO the Crown Victoria (Police Interceptor) is just too popular with the cops.
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:43 PM   #5
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i cant see police driving a station wagon here.
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Old 07-25-2004, 07:16 PM   #6
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If they do get the Hemi Magnum, then you can pull up to the cop and say "That thing got a hemi?" lol
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Old 07-25-2004, 08:03 PM   #7
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this will never take over the Crown Victoria market the car's roof is too low for putting people in the back, I can see the car as a public service type car or the occasional cruiser. The Crown Victoria is a pretty good car for what they are, you have to admit that much. The Magnum costs a bit more than the Crown Vic aswell, And I'm pretty sure most police departments have some type of account with Ford anyway.
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Old 07-25-2004, 08:10 PM   #8
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That thing looks stupid as all hell. First, fuel consumption is a big deal when they choose these cars, and the magnum 5.7 liter 340 horsepower engine is only gonna get what like 15 mpg average in city? then with quick sprints of up to 100+ miles per hour down to 7 or so? this wont work at all.
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Old 07-26-2004, 01:08 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by blah
That thing looks stupid as all hell. First, fuel consumption is a big deal when they choose these cars, and the magnum 5.7 liter 340 horsepower engine is only gonna get what like 15 mpg average in city? then with quick sprints of up to 100+ miles per hour down to 7 or so? this wont work at all.
while i agree that this magnum cop-car seems like a flop, i dont think gas comsumption is on the top of a police officers list. maybe a beaurocrats list, but on a everyday level its not effective.
i work in a grocery store and we often get shoplifters. when police come to our store they park their cruiser and leave it running with the A/C on. (this usually happens for more than 20 minutes at a time.) this seems very wasteful to me, and i've seen almost every cop do it so its not a rare thing in michigan.
not to criticize, but how great can a crown vic's mileage be??
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well the stock form LX sport gets 17city 25highway but I'm sure the reprogrammed computer and what not ups that a little bit but considering 70% of a Police Interceptors life it's at idle, Mileage isn't that big of a deal.
But the MDS system on the Magnum would definitely help with Mileage especially in the City and parked waiting for a catch.
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Old 07-27-2004, 12:41 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by RC45
The car needs to be able to be tough and reliable and survive hours of idling and driver abuse. Plus have a decent air conditioner... something Chrysler is unable to produce.
You are right RC45, Chrysler products have many problem of transmission and air conditioner. My old Chevy Impala SS 1995 was one of best police car, in my opinion. 8) Only one thing that I can say with this Dodge Magnum, it's cool and powerful. On the other hand this car in police version is another thing.
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That thing looks stupid as all hell. First, fuel consumption is a big deal when they choose these cars, and the magnum 5.7 liter 340 horsepower engine is only gonna get what like 15 mpg average in city? then with quick sprints of up to 100+ miles per hour down to 7 or so? this wont work at all.
while i agree that this magnum cop-car seems like a flop, i dont think gas comsumption is on the top of a police officers list. maybe a beaurocrats list, but on a everyday level its not effective.
i work in a grocery store and we often get shoplifters. when police come to our store they park their cruiser and leave it running with the A/C on. (this usually happens for more than 20 minutes at a time.) this seems very wasteful to me, and i've seen almost every cop do it so its not a rare thing in michigan.
not to criticize, but how great can a crown vic's mileage be??
but remember who buys the cars for the police, the buerocrats.
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Old 07-27-2004, 06:43 PM   #13
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I like the cop car design but I dont think it will be popular either.
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Old 07-27-2004, 08:54 PM   #14
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We know if ford can screw it up DCX can really screw it up. There like a huffy just add stickers and plastic and you can make a car look cool to buy. But if you want a car to last more then a year buy something else. What do you get when DCX and tupperware get together to make a car. A viper. What do you get when DCX and Wal mart get together to build a car .... Prowler... DCX will always suck it all sounds cool untill you need to use it.
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