Veyron in Production Finally!

[JoeHahn]

Originally Posted by Ford Capri 2.8i Firslty...i see a bit exagerated and optimists its acceleration and maximum speed since it needs the McLarens half of the time for reaching the 320 km/h and i see impossible this goal....besides....the maximum speed reach depends much more on the cars aerodinamics rather than the power itself no matter how much power the car develops....finally...i think its possible to get a drivable car regardless the power as long as the electronical stuff such as stability control, launch control among others are optimised and properly set up... Finally lets see how much i love the car, since 14 years ago Bugatti launched the most powerful car ever.... the EB110..but at the end of the day the car doesnt bring any excitement to the driver....if the Veyron doesnt bring any excitement either, i wont like the car too much although it develops 1000 bhp

I dont think anyone questioned Mclaren's manufacturers claims when it came out. Their claims were just as wild as Bugattis are now. The bar has been set higher, move on. When its proven that this car can hit 200mph in 14 seconds you will live with it. Is it that hard to believe?

The immense torque of this car will help it to be launched towards 200mph in no time. The difference between this and the Mclaren is that the Mclaren used its lack of downforce and streamlined body to hit that speed so quickly.

[w0n]

.....i just can't wait until TN and JC get their hands on it, i wonder if tiff can make it oversteer..hahahaha

[Darkel]

Molsheim ... that's only 113km away from here and you know what that means 8)

[yg60m]

I didn't have a doubt, I don't see why VW would have spend something like 800.000.000 € on developpment to cancell it ....

[Darkel]

And the factory seems to be more than ready, there were enough articles in the newspapers here ...

[DeMoN]

JC is going to have a BIG section saying how wonderful 1000 hp is... i really hope he gets it this season!

[sentra_dude]

Originally Posted by JoeHahn Originally Posted by Ford Capri 2.8i Firslty...i see a bit exagerated and optimists its acceleration and maximum speed since it needs the McLarens half of the time for reaching the 320 km/h and i see impossible this goal....besides....the maximum speed reach depends much more on the cars aerodinamics rather than the power itself no matter how much power the car develops....finally...i think its possible to get a drivable car regardless the power as long as the electronical stuff such as stability control, launch control among others are optimised and properly set up... Finally lets see how much i love the car, since 14 years ago Bugatti launched the most powerful car ever.... the EB110..but at the end of the day the car doesnt bring any excitement to the driver....if the Veyron doesnt bring any excitement either, i wont like the car too much although it develops 1000 bhp I dont think anyone questioned Mclaren's manufacturers claims when it came out. Their claims were just as wild as Bugattis are now. The bar has been set higher, move on. When its proven that this car can hit 200mph in 14 seconds you will live with it. Is it that hard to believe? The immense torque of this car will help it to be launched towards 200mph in no time. The difference between this and the Mclaren is that the Mclaren used its lack of downforce and streamlined body to hit that speed so quickly.

When VW first released those figures (the 0-200mph in 14sec or 0-300km/h in 13s), there was a huge discussion about how they were impossible...

No, McLaren's claims weren't just as wild, they were just much faster than any other roadcar. The Veyron's times don't make sense, especially considering that the McLaren F1 still has a better power to weight ratio.

F1: 1140kg (2510lb) & 627hp
~1.8hp/kg (3.9lb/hp)

Veyron: 1900kg (4180lb)& 1001hp
~1.9hp/kg (4.1lb/hp)

Not what I would call a huge advantage...yes, the Veyron has more torque for the weight, and it has AWD, and it has 7 speeds, and newer tires, but that is not going to cut the 0-200mph time in half.

The Veilside Skyline R33 that runs 0-186mph in around 13.5s has over 1300hp and weighs under 1100kg...even with that hp and slicks it still wouldn't be able to pull 200mph in 14sec, so how the fuck can a 1900kg roadcar with 300 less hp do it?

So yes, it is very hard for me to believe this car will hit 200mph in 14sec...if it does, then great, but it is near impossible.

[number77]

there was probably a conversion error. maybe this person meant 300km/h which is like 180-ish miles an hour. also remember the transmission differences. not only is the bugatti's 7 gears, it shifts alot quicker. and i don't know if any of you guys know about cars but the answer to this whole problem lies in the specs. it will do the time bugatti has put out. i don't want to be the parent to hold everyones hands to show them. you have to learn about how engines work and how to properly analyze specifications before you just say this car can do that and that car can't.

[yg60m]

Originally Posted by sentra_dude When VW first released those figures (the 0-200mph in 14sec or 0-300km/h in 13s), there was a huge discussion about how they were impossible... No, McLaren's claims weren't just as wild, they were just much faster than any other roadcar. The Veyron's times don't make sense, especially considering that the McLaren F1 still has a better power to weight ratio. F1: 1140kg (2510lb) & 627hp ~1.8hp/kg (3.9lb/hp) Veyron: 1900kg (4180lb)& 1001hp ~1.9hp/kg (4.1lb/hp) Not what I would call a huge advantage...yes, the Veyron has more torque for the weight, and it has AWD, and it has 7 speeds, and newer tires, but that is not going to cut the 0-200mph time in half. The Veilside Skyline R33 that runs 0-186mph in around 13.5s has over 1300hp and weighs under 1100kg...even with that hp and slicks it still wouldn't be able to pull 200mph in 14sec, so how the fuck can a 1900kg roadcar with 300 less hp do it? So yes, it is very hard for me to believe this car will hit 200mph in 14sec...if it does, then great, but it is near impossible.

Indeed I think that those claims are old and need to be revised, at that time, the Veyron was supposed to be 1500 kg heavy Now it will be closer to 1900-2000 kg so the power/weight ratio is equal to the Mclaren one and even if the torque is more important, I doubt it will beat it by 8 sec for the 0-300 km/h. (22 sec for the Macca).

[Fleischmann]

wow...it's ready...the fastest car in the world!! Can't wait till they test it at Nardo

Yeah, I guess they overestimated the preformance. 0-60 in 3secs...I can easily believe that (enormous power+AWD), but the claimed 0-200 is just exaggerated. As already pointed out by a few members, there is now way it can be that much faster then the McLaren F1.

[adamk24]

I have been following this car sence I first heard of it in its infancy all those years ago. At the time, I was just learning about cars, and I very much 'grew up' so to speak around watching the veyron take shape. However, the more I learned about cars, the more I learned the fun isnt in the numbers, its in the drive, and I lost interest in the veyron. But, with that kind of power it would still be a blast, so heres what I have to say.

First off your info is out dated. The Veyron will not be the fastest car ever built, seeing as its top speed will be electronically limited to 238 MPH. At that speed it is bested by both the Mclaren F1 (241) and the Konigziegg (239.3) <--(as tested by CAR magazine)

Mclaren proved 13 years ago that we had the technology to make a 240 mph road car with increadable acceleration and everything youd want from a daily driver (sans radio). That was 13 years ago, so I do no doubt the veyron could go faster, but for whatever reason, they determined that its aerodynamics was not that fitting of a 250 mph car. :cry:

Also, the claims of 14 second 200mph is not very realistic. True in higher top speed situations, wieght does not matter as much as power and aerodynamics, but the F1 has a similar drag ratio to the veyron, and it isnt even close despite being alot ligher and not too far off on power. True the torque is almost double in the veyron, but it would not be enough to half the time.

But anyway....

wonder if tiff can make it oversteer..hahahaha

I guarentee he will try

[aks]

hope the news is real, taken its bloody time!!

will VW be able to make money by only selling 300 cars? they'd have to be pretty expensive!

[yg60m]

I read an interview of the Bugatti Chairman Thomas Bscher and he confirmed that the car would go to 400 km/h, no limit to 238 mhp. But it's true that accelerations are a bit "optimistics" !
BTW, when did CAR tested the Koenigsegg to 239 mhp ??? :shock:

[dons5]

welladamk24 i wouldnt say its bested by the MacF1 cause the Mac f1 that hit 240.1 or whatever it was had its redline raised by 300 rpm

[adamk24]

welladamk24 i wouldnt say its bested by the MacF1 cause the Mac f1 that hit 240.1 or whatever it was had its redline raised by 300 rpm

Well Im not sure what your saying, but I have a video of the F1 going 241.6 mph.....

I read an interview of the Bugatti Chairman Thomas Bscher and he confirmed that the car would go to 400 km/h, no limit to 238 mhp

How long ago was this. Because I first heard of its electronic limit on 5th gear, when tiff said the F1 retains its title because of the limit. Then later I read an article talking about why they decided to govern the speed. This was all in the last 6 months, so maybe they have changed their decision just recently