Mercedes-Benz Today: Paying the price for their stupidity

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Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by blah Well BMW is one step under porsche in perfection. So there you go. No one will argue that. Not even me. Lol. BTW, dunno if this is old news, but I just saw it today on Autocar magazine: BMW posted record profits. £1.54 billion. That's about $2.77 billion. Mercedes has a hilariously long way to go.

well if merc would stop pumping out stupid AMG engines with so much torque that they are the same speed as the non amgs under 100 then maybe they could get some reliability work done.

[ZfrkS62]

Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by blah Well BMW is one step under porsche in perfection. So there you go. No one will argue that. Not even me. Lol. BTW, dunno if this is old news, but I just saw it today on Autocar magazine: BMW posted record profits. £1.54 billion. That's about $2.77 billion. Mercedes has a hilariously long way to go.

Yeah, i believe it was a 7% sales increase for Feb. for BMW-AG and 24% :shock: hike in the US..i need to look that up when i get home so that i know what i'm saying for sure.

They are also buying back 10% of the outstanding shares of BMW-AG and that news sent stock prices soaring...I need to buy into this.....

Originally Posted by blah Well BMW is one step under porsche in perfection. So there you go.

Closing in too i'm waiting for the battle between Porsche and BMW That should produce some interesting, if not scary results

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Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6.

Don't be so quick to knock the Vette though - it is the single longest continuous production model - ever.

[ZfrkS62]

Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6.

That never even occurred to me ops:

[pimrusis]

Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6.

Are you saying that we should be scared of change? This is a really stupid idea that you put forth here. Having no noticable difference between two cars is short-sighted. Another point is that it is important for a car's recipe to stay the same. Like they said in Top Gear, the Corvette has always been purpose built to be a sports car, like the Porsche. Just because they changed the shape doesn't mean that it isn't as good as a car whose shape hasn't changed.

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Originally Posted by pimrusis Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6. Are you saying that we should be scared of change? This is a really stupid idea that you put forth here. Having no noticable difference between two cars is short-sighted. Another point is that it is important for a car's recipe to stay the same. Like they said in Top Gear, the Corvette has always been purpose built to be a sports car, like the Porsche. Just because they changed the shape doesn't mean that it isn't as good as a car whose shape hasn't changed.

what? Im saying the 911 has sold without even having to change its shape over the past 40 years. Nor change its engine until the 996.

[Sir_GT]

Originally Posted by blah Originally Posted by pimrusis Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6. Are you saying that we should be scared of change? This is a really stupid idea that you put forth here. Having no noticable difference between two cars is short-sighted. Another point is that it is important for a car's recipe to stay the same. Like they said in Top Gear, the Corvette has always been purpose built to be a sports car, like the Porsche. Just because they changed the shape doesn't mean that it isn't as good as a car whose shape hasn't changed. what? Im saying the 911 has sold without even having to change its shape over the past 40 years. Nor change its engine until the 996.

Well, they might just have to change the engine again now, especially with the upcoming M3 having a 400+ bhp V8 underneath the hood, and with a price that undercuts the Carrera S.

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Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by blah Originally Posted by pimrusis Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6. Are you saying that we should be scared of change? This is a really stupid idea that you put forth here. Having no noticable difference between two cars is short-sighted. Another point is that it is important for a car's recipe to stay the same. Like they said in Top Gear, the Corvette has always been purpose built to be a sports car, like the Porsche. Just because they changed the shape doesn't mean that it isn't as good as a car whose shape hasn't changed. what? Im saying the 911 has sold without even having to change its shape over the past 40 years. Nor change its engine until the 996. Well, they might just have to change the engine again now, especially with the upcoming M3 having a 400+ bhp V8 underneath the hood, and with a price that undercuts the Carrera S.

doubt it the next 911 Turbo is gonna be over 500 HP or more. The next M3 will probably be at a 12.7 or so car, when compared with other cars at that HP. Might even be a 12.9 same as a Carrera S. No doubt from a roll though that the m3s higher HP would probably win the day.

[ZfrkS62]

Originally Posted by blah Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by blah Originally Posted by pimrusis Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6. Are you saying that we should be scared of change? This is a really stupid idea that you put forth here. Having no noticable difference between two cars is short-sighted. Another point is that it is important for a car's recipe to stay the same. Like they said in Top Gear, the Corvette has always been purpose built to be a sports car, like the Porsche. Just because they changed the shape doesn't mean that it isn't as good as a car whose shape hasn't changed. what? Im saying the 911 has sold without even having to change its shape over the past 40 years. Nor change its engine until the 996. Well, they might just have to change the engine again now, especially with the upcoming M3 having a 400+ bhp V8 underneath the hood, and with a price that undercuts the Carrera S. doubt it the next 911 Turbo is gonna be over 500 HP or more. The next M3 will probably be at a 12.7 or so car, when compared with other cars at that HP. Might even be a 12.9 same as a Carrera S. No doubt from a roll though that the m3s higher HP would probably win the day.

What did i say earlier about BMW catching up to Porsche? Of course, Porsches are much better balanced cars tha BMWs, i will give them that. I wouldn't be surprised if the E90 M3 is 3-4 seconds slower around the Ring than the next 911.

[Sir_GT]

Originally Posted by blah Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by blah Originally Posted by pimrusis Originally Posted by blah Porsche is an Institue that should not be messed with. It says something when you can run a company off just one car. Then to really piss of the Ferrraris, and Lamborghinis while they worry about money and getting bought out, stay independent and then not change the shape of the 911 for 40 years now. You can take the 911 (911) and put it next to a 997 911 and tell its the same car. Try doing that with the first Corvette, and the lastest C6. Are you saying that we should be scared of change? This is a really stupid idea that you put forth here. Having no noticable difference between two cars is short-sighted. Another point is that it is important for a car's recipe to stay the same. Like they said in Top Gear, the Corvette has always been purpose built to be a sports car, like the Porsche. Just because they changed the shape doesn't mean that it isn't as good as a car whose shape hasn't changed. what? Im saying the 911 has sold without even having to change its shape over the past 40 years. Nor change its engine until the 996. Well, they might just have to change the engine again now, especially with the upcoming M3 having a 400+ bhp V8 underneath the hood, and with a price that undercuts the Carrera S. doubt it the next 911 Turbo is gonna be over 500 HP or more. The next M3 will probably be at a 12.7 or so car, when compared with other cars at that HP. Might even be a 12.9 same as a Carrera S. No doubt from a roll though that the m3s higher HP would probably win the day.

A Carrera Turbo will not be in the same price range as an M3, so that's not exactly a fair comparison IMO. Cheapest 911 here is the Carrera, which is £55 grand, then the Carrera S, which is £65 grand.

Theoretically, the next M3 will undercut even the Carrera, but might just outperform the Carrera S. I won't deny that a Porsche is a Porsche, but there's no denying that Porsche will have a lot to do in order to justify their asking price aside from relying on the desirability of their brand.