09-16-2004, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsnail
i would say currently echo hatch (yaris/vitz) in canada
and there are certainly alot of civic hatches around ef-eg-ek-ep
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I think you missed the point there, buddy. That's a hatch. He was asking about HOT hatches. :roll:
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09-16-2004, 09:30 PM
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In the US its got to be the Golf GTI, yeah you see some SVT focus's but not nearly as many as golfs. If you count Mazda 3s as hot hatches then they have their fair share of the market aswell.
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09-17-2004, 01:05 AM
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skoda fabia-slovakia
46 % of all selled cars are skodas
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09-17-2004, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Bird
I would say that the US it has to be the Golf GTI hands down if we are talking hot hatch, not too many Civic Si's but there are alot of SVT Foci around aswell.
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i think the ZX3 focus might of passed the Golf now, because i cant go 1 mile without seeing one.
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09-17-2004, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by blah
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Originally Posted by T-Bird
I would say that the US it has to be the Golf GTI hands down if we are talking hot hatch, not too many Civic Si's but there are alot of SVT Foci around aswell.
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i think the ZX3 focus might of passed the Golf now, because i cant go 1 mile without seeing one.
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A standard ZX3 is NOT a Hot Hatch that's what the SVT version is for that's what is being discussed.
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09-17-2004, 10:06 AM
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In Texas it would be the Golf GTi but having said that I see far more Camaros and Firebirds on a daily basis which are technically hatchbacks although they are styled like coupes.
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09-17-2004, 10:29 AM
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the kick arse corolla,
probley the sportevo model, with a celica engine in a corolla!! how cool!
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring...s/corolla1.JPG
The 1796cc engine, codenamed 2ZZ-GE, was the first naturally aspirated Toyota volume production engine to break the 100 horsepower per litre barrier. Corolla Sportivo is also the first Corolla in Australia in a decade to be fitted with a Toyota G-type engine - or rather, one with a wide included valve angle.
The fiery litte 1.8-litre mill delivers 141kW of power @ 7800rpm, and 180Nm of torque at 6800rpm, which leaves a fairly short powerband of 1000rpm.
The engine is quite a piece of work though, offering infinitely variable inlet timing across the revolution range and providing high-lift for both camshafts when engine revolutions exceed 6000rpm. It's also fitted with a fully balanced crankshaft and thin, lightweight, high-strength connecting rods to reduce reciprocating weight and friction.
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origional site
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring...oy_corspor.htm
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09-17-2004, 10:35 AM
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@beaver
what about the 1.8 Barina? Not popular? I had a 1.8 Corsa from Vauxhall (same car) as a 48 hour test drive over a weekend a couple of years ago and thought it was a great car for the money. Lots cheaper than a Corolla too.
What about Peugeot 106 1.6 16v's? do you not get those in Aus?
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09-17-2004, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAm2001
@beaver
what about the 1.8 Barina? Not popular? I had a 1.8 Corsa from Vauxhall (same car) as a 48 hour test drive over a weekend a couple of years ago and thought it was a great car for the money. Lots cheaper than a Corolla too.
What about Peugeot 106 1.6 16v's? do you not get those in Aus?
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yeh man the vauvhall's are popular.. but corolla's always outsell them for some reason, australians love toyota's!
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09-17-2004, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAm2001
@beaver
what about the 1.8 Barina? Not popular? I had a 1.8 Corsa from Vauxhall (same car) as a 48 hour test drive over a weekend a couple of years ago and thought it was a great car for the money. Lots cheaper than a Corolla too.
What about Peugeot 106 1.6 16v's? do you not get those in Aus?
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Nope, unfortunately the Pug 106 isn't sold here in Aus, pity about that.
The Barina SRi is probably the most popular of the hot hatches (sales numbers-wise) , the Mini Cooper is also sold in healthy numbers, but unless it has the Works kit (most aren't), I don't classify it as a hot hatch - just a poser's hatch with an asthmatic engine  . It is a nimble car though and the chassis is great, on 16" rims, the 17" wheels are a bit too pogo-y for our crappy , tram lined city roads.
The (Holden/Opel) Astra Turbo is also very popular in terms of numbers on the road, pity it looks like a fridge with a wing  The local motoring press have been enamoured with this car (and to a lesser extent, the Barina) and give it rave reviews. The Astra turbo has a torquey engine, but I didn't feel it was all that chuckable/fun to drive nor is it a light car (almost 1300kg) which is what a hot hatch should be all about.
The Clio 172 (Cliosport here in Aus) is not very popular in terms of sales , but the owners love the car (points at myself).
We don't get the current Civic Type-R either (unfortunately). The Alfa 147 doesn't have that many sales (nor does the Golf R32).
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Originally Posted by possessed_beaver
the kick arse corolla,
probley the sportevo model, with a celica engine in a corolla!! how cool!
....The fiery litte 1.8-litre mill delivers 141kW of power @ 7800rpm, and 180Nm of torque at 6800rpm, which leaves a fairly short powerband of 1000rpm.
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Driven it and it is a fiery engine, BUT one has to rev the absolute tits out of it to go anywhere quickly.
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09-17-2004, 12:41 PM
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@ Regie
Fridge with a wing LMAO  Don't you get the coupe version of the Astra - that's half ok looking IMO.
Yeah I agree with you about that Toyota engine - I drove the Celica GT-S with that motor and the 6 speed. It is great but you have to wring the nads off it.
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09-17-2004, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Bird
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Originally Posted by blah
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Originally Posted by T-Bird
I would say that the US it has to be the Golf GTI hands down if we are talking hot hatch, not too many Civic Si's but there are alot of SVT Foci around aswell.
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i think the ZX3 focus might of passed the Golf now, because i cant go 1 mile without seeing one.
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A standard ZX3 is NOT a Hot Hatch that's what the SVT version is for that's what is being discussed.
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there are ZX3 hatches though, the SVT isnt the only hatched focus.
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09-17-2004, 01:10 PM
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09-18-2004, 01:21 PM
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Right now I have to say the Honda Jazz
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09-18-2004, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by evoWALO
Right now I have to say the Honda Jazz
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I'd call it a tepid hatch, not hot
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