New rules in F1 ... for 2008
 

Max Mosley wants to introduce new rules in F1 for 2008. The changes would be :
- reduce the engine capacity to 2.4 liters and an engine would have a two races duration. They would be V8.
- forbid all electronic aids, traction control etc ..
- return to manual gearbox
- Only one tyre manufacturer and no tyre changes during the race (but refuelling stay)

He also suggest that 4 cars per manufacturer could score points. By this way he wants that manufacturers provide engines to the small teams as he would like 24 cars on the grid.

Not bad suggestions except the tyre regulation :wink:

2.4??....they better let the team turbo charge it then.... :wink:

manual gearbox ??
one tyre manufacturer ??

I really think Mosley is trying too hard to slow F1 down

I think he's pushing too far to get half what he propose :wink:
That's his favorite tactic and there is a meeting between the teams on the 4 of may

More details can be found here

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=20625

Sorry guys,

double post :oops:
Removed the text as I don't want to repeat myself :roll:

thats guy is getting old. he needs to be replaced asap

going to V8 is a no no and the tyre regualtions is absurd. its better to have more variables to determine a race result. if everyone is on same tyres then thats one variable taken away

-reduce the engine capacity to 2.4 liters and an engine would have a two races duration. They would be V8.
I dont understand the point of this rule. There would still be teams with different hp output, and it will mainly come down to how much money a team has available. So "smaller" teams will still have a disadvantage! Unless there is a rule that allows "non manufacturer" teams to purchase the same engines for a set fee (1 million per enfgine)! BTW the problem of Formula one is not the engine output, it is the amount of traction that makes the cars so dangerous. BTW a V8, I mean come on, Formula 1 should be exotic. Hell if they reduce the engine capacity, they still should leave them 10 cylinders, or 12. OR even make it something ludacrous like 2.4 litres 16 cylinders :D

- forbid all electronic aids, traction control etc ..
OK sounds good

- return to manual gearbox
Ok but lets still have them clutch free...

- Only one tyre manufacturer and no tyre changes during the race (but refuelling stay)
I think the one tire company rule, is a good one. Tires are so important and it is beyond a teams control, how good a tire is. So I think it is fair to limit Formula 1 to 1 tire manufacturer. However I think it is absolutely stupid not to allow tire changes. Thats the most exciting part about pitstops, seeing a mechanic screw up...
I am think they should even reduce the pit crew, so that they can only work on 2 tires at a time. So that way the pit stops are even longer, and more crucial.
Finally, they should reduce the tire size by 50%. That ought tor eally reduce grip, and make the cars much more challening to drive

The only thing that they have not considered is the aerodynamics. As far as I know this is the real expensive part about formula 1. Spending time in the wind tunnel and developing a car... They should do something about that, imo.


Now my question is why 2008!!!?! Formula 1 is boring today, and the mere thought that they will take that long to change it... Good grief..... I mean, I know they cannot change it the rules for this season, and the next (cause they already started to invest/plan for next season). But why cant we have the changes for 2006. Formula 1 has its problems now. By 2008 I will have lost all intrest

The proposed changes are a step back in time.
More than 30 years ago, when Max Mosley, Bernie Ecclestone and Frank Williams were scraping for money to get their F1 cars on the starting grid, mr Mosley was one of the co-founders of March.
In those days an off the shelf F1 car concept which enabled privateers to buy a competative F1 car and to participate in F1 Grand Prix races. In time the March cars, like the Dinosaurs disappeared.
No need to re-introduce this failed concept once more, if you ask me :fadein:

I agree, The cars in F1 may be too fast but it is F1...people love it because there are no regulations that ties their hands together, if people wanted to see races with regulations such as these they would go watch nascar

Those new rules are ridiculous, how are we suppose to be at the pinnacle of automotive technology if you keep restricting everything. Although I think if they do enforce these rules, teams will be as fast as they are now by then.

they should allow EVERYTHING in F-1! turbo, active suspension, 6-wheels cars... :twisted:

it would be funny... :D

dont mind what they do to save the F-1, just save it... it is too boring nowadays

These rules are crap! Of course keep in mind that they're still four years out, and in F1, where radical rules changes occur overnight, these rules will change, and it is more than likely that only a few of the rules will actually make it into the 2008 season. And that these announced rules were more of a 'shake-up' to get everyones attention.

Engine Capacity: doesn't really matter to me, as someone mentioned before the V10 is definatly more exotic than a V8. Nevertheless the V8 could see more real-world trickle down to road cars. Not a bad rule, but I'd still rather have a V10 or V12.

Forbid all Driver Aids: I have some isses with this one, as driver aids help with the safety of the cars. But I understand that in removing the aids, they can exhibit the driver's skills better.

Return to Manual Gearbox: This one is terrible, probably the worst rule out there. while I don't mind the manual semi-automatic gear changes that are happening this year, reverting to a traditional manual gearbox/clutch is a major step backwards. Having to reach down and manually shift gears would also decrease the safey because the drivers have to take one hand off of the wheel and shift gears. Moreover this goes compleately against my technical love of F1, what is so special about a manual gear change? Nothing, at least in the 40ms semi-automatic gear changes there is a little bit of a technical wow factor.

One Tyre mfr, one set per race: This is probably second worst rule out there. Competition breeds innovation and increases performance, if Michelin was never in the picture do you think that Bridgestone would have improved their dry tyres to the level they have achieved this season? On the same note with one tyre mfr, there may be more of a limit of providing certain tyres for certain teams, bridgestone already came out and said that they're designing their tyres for ferrari, and that was back in 2001 (IIRC) when Bridgestone was supplying the majority of the grid.

So with these new rules we are going to get slower cars, without driver aids, which happen to be just as safe if not more dangerous as the faster cars of today that have the driver aids.

On another note whith all of the changes being made, how will this effect the rest of the formulae? It seems that the performance of the cars will be brought down to much lower levels to the point where a F3000 driver would wonder why he would want to graduate to F1 where the cars are slower and less advanced?

I think the bottom line is like the mix of technology in F1, and while I like F1 to be on the cutting edge, I realize that there has to be some middle ground between the two in order to exhibit a driver's skill. But what these rules seem to me is basically moving F1 to the technical levels of CART.

Next thing ya know Max and Bernie will be saying they want to start racing on Ovals.

Max mosley is crazy...next he'll want all cars to be replaced by go-karts. Sounds like he wants to make a comeback to racing... :wink:

i cannot understand the need to make formula 1 cars go with lower speeds...i really cannot...i mean the drivers dont think that F1cars should be slower in the last few years there wasn't any fatal accident but there were accident's...

The rules sucks, FIA should change the rule to improve mechanical grip and increase drag on aero such that it will slow the car down and create more grip under braking = more passing.

the horror... they've gone mad
its gonna be like formula renault...all the same cars... LMP cars are gonna lap F1 cars on any circuit...(ok now im overreacting)
I also read they wanna standardise brake systems and wanna forbid T-cars(for those capable of reading dutch: www.formule1.nl)
as i said they've gone mad. Lets pray the F1 teams(especially the fast teams) will destroy the plans. 4th of may hteres a meeting, now let em give me a beautiful b-day present and terminate these stupid ideas...

I don't think it's gona happen.
Manual gearbox - there will be no manual on normal cars in 10 years or so what he is thinking.
One tire manufacturer - who ?
The only thing is - 2.4 :( they can do that

humm i dont mind so much the other rules as F1 really needs to be slowed down to move the cars closer together to get better competition. but tire manufactor rule is terrible, i love to see the different between the two companies. sometimes the tires are big factors in winning or losing the race, so hell id like to see a 3rd or 4th tire company come into the picture.

R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D!!!!!! Damn, one of the biggest reasons I watch F1 is because of the technological innovation in the cars. Take away all the progress we've made in the electronics, gearboxes, engines, traction controls, and you'll see NASCAR have more technology than F1.... It's basically a step backwards to 30 years ago when these technologies didn't exist, and perhaps when F1 was in it's prime. Those days are gone and to try and bring back that dinosaur is not going to make F1 better, in fact I won't watch those POS cars race, I might as well watch IRL or F3000...

I can understand the concern to reduce costs in F1 but there are better ways of doing that then to take out all the technology that has made the sport the pinnacle of motor racing. The best way is to simply impose a fucking spending cap on the teams! How about teams are limited to 100million a year investment in their team with any overexpense resulting in a weight increase in the car relative to the amount of additional funds spent over the limit. So if a team like Ferrari spend 1 million more to develop their car, they get 10 extra lbs of weight added for example for each mil ove the budget. Keep the technology there just put a limit on the ballistic teams spending 500 million a year on their car, while other teams spend half that. Look at minardi, they are 4 seconds behind mainly because they only have a 50mil budget. That's how to slow speeds while keeping the technology...

I think the reduction in engine capacity and and cylinders also suck ass... the whole thing that seperates F1 is that no other motorsport can match it's exoctic technology. Nascar use V8's and are floating around 800HP now so a drop to 2.4 cylinders in an F1 car would put us around 720HP!!!! SO A NASTYCAR WOULD HAVE MORE POWER THAN A 2.4LITER F1... that just isn't right... Cart would be faster, and F1 would be just above where the IRL cars can perform.

So then we have the problem of competetion. Well by keeping the budget set at no more than 100mil you will see the field close up REAL fast you can bet on that, but the semi sequential gearbox is the way to go not clutch and shift like they decades ago. The BMW SMG gearbox you see in the M3 is a result of F1's efforts in pushing the technology effort. What fucking improvement do you expect by having a sport mostly devoid of technology? Sometimes people need to be punched in the face, and Max Mosely has one coming. If these rules do go into effect by 2008 by then the contract teams have with F1 expire expect Ferrari, BMW, Mclaren, etc to start their new series of racing. :twisted:

I think they should go to very small displacement turbo engines. Say 1.3l turbo. Now that would be fun. It would change it up a little. They might get to much power out of it though. Whatever they do, they better not get rid of paddle shift SMG transmissions.. If they want to make it a little more difficult have them go to the CART style lever/stick SMG. Whatever they do, they need to be faster then CART.

I think most of these rule props. are just exagerations of what the real rules will be in 2008. I as well think they changes should come sooner. Say 2006,

If this Idiot Mosely actually passes these rules, I won't be watching F1 anymore. F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. If these new rules are passed, F1 will be at the level of NASCAR, which is prehistoric as it is.

On top of that, the proposed rules won't have ANY effect on the "competiveness" of the sport... the rich will always be rich.... with a 3l V10 engine, or with a 2.4 V8. As for the manual gearboxes, no TC, etc.... it would spice things up a bit, but in the end, richer companies will also be at an advantage, as they have the money for better drivers.

This guy is going to fuck up everything!!!! :x :x

:lol:

Man, that is funny. . .

I agreed w/ what most people said. . . well, it looks like I'll be watching something else come around 2008.

I can't understand Bernie here. Max and he are both very smart guys, and like it or not, they are responsible for maknig F1 the brilliant sport it is today.

It seems to me that these proposed changes (and yes, the half-way technique is a favorite) make any light and there's no introduction of the GPWC, it's really just a short-term move. Maybe Bernie knows he's dying soon? :D

--Dan