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Mers 05-18-2007 08:26 PM

Oh god... Not again...
 
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...133954,00.html

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Max wants `green` V6 engines
Friday 18th May 2007
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Max Mosley is once again talking about a "green revolution" for F1 and has targeted 2011 as the date by which he wants his changes implemented.

The FIA President has often spoken over the past few years about making F1 more environmentally friendly, however, his comments have met by jeers as people question how it could ever happen.

Mosley, though, now has a plan.

Under his proposal F1 teams will switch to eco-friendly 2.2-litre turbocharged V6 engines that would run on biofuel. However, the engines would develop roughly 770 horsepower, around 100 less than the present 2.4-litre V8 engines.

Maximum revs would also be cut by approximately 9,000rpm, which would mean the cars would also create less noise polution.

Mosley also proposes that the engines be made to last for five grand prix weekends and that the cars would be fitted with traction control, four-wheel drive and have a power-boost facility.

The latter, which is used in the A1GP series, would be deployed by drivers in order to allow for easier overtaking.

"We are in active discussions with the major manufacturers to ensure that, in future, research and development relevant only to Formula One will be discouraged, whereas that which has relevance to road-car development will be encouraged," Mosley told F1-Racing magazine.

"We understand that such an approach has broad support from the competing manufacturers and we will work closely with them to ensure that, in particular, the new environmentally relevant technologies that many of them are developing are made our priority.

"Whilst aiming to achieve these goals we will ensure that the sporting spectacle of F1 remains the same or is even improved by the new developments."

According to the magazine, Mosley has already submitted his plans to F1's car manufacturers, although McLaren-Mercedes has yet to give it any thought.

"McLaren's view is not yet fully formed," said McLaren CEO Martin Whitmarsh. "I think you would have to say that, on the face of it, these are very laudable propositions.

"However, I think we have been going through a period of much change in Formula One, what with sealed engines in 2007, new electronic systems in 2008, energy recovery systems in 2009 and then more sweeping changes from 2011.

"Change is always very expensive in Formula One. We understand that the sport must evolve, but we are concerned about cost."
Someone PLEASE get rid of him. For the sake of F1...

They're gonna be calling it F0.5 in a while...

Please don't let it be true, something has to be done

saadie 05-18-2007 08:35 PM

what the FUCK ..... it makes sence to make everyday road cars green and all that crap .. .but making FORMULA 1 cars green is just fucking absurd ... :| ... i hate max mosley for life ... fricken bastard

gigdy 05-18-2007 09:03 PM

I think the switching to biofuel part is a great idea. But if you gonna do that let them run the v8 or whatever they want. If they cant figure out how to run the same hp on biofuel with their ridiculous budgets then they can go solar powered.

RC45 05-18-2007 09:05 PM

This is why I don't follow Euro open wheeled racing and haven't for almost 10 years.

It is a joke at best.

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Mosley also proposes that the engines be made to last for five grand prix weekends and that the cars would be fitted with traction control, four-wheel drive and have a power-boost facility.

The latter, which is used in the A1GP series, would be deployed by drivers in order to allow for easier overtaking.
Wow - so the A1GP is for pussies and losers then?

They use nitrous for over taking.. like in video games.. ROFL... what a crock of shit :P

Erez 05-18-2007 09:23 PM

:? fuck this! what happen to plain building the fastest and best race car?
if they will slow F1 again, I swear, I'm done with it.. :?

Svensson 05-19-2007 01:20 PM

STAN :arrow: http://www.motorworld.net/forum/show...=824858#824858

But I agree, this is absolute rubbish... 9k rpm limit, TC & 4WD... WTF??

Mers 05-19-2007 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Svensson
STAN :arrow: http://www.motorworld.net/forum/show...=824858#824858

But I agree, this is absolute rubbish... 9k rpm limit, TC & 4WD... WTF??

Oops...

Still, I think it's such a big deal it should have it's own topic... This is enfuriating...

nejcdolinsek 05-19-2007 03:39 PM

If they go ahead with this, I'm not going to watch F1. As simple as that.

racer_f50 05-20-2007 06:12 PM

Max's idea of F-1 in the future:
http://sio.midco.net/mmonhoia/prius.jpg

Prius's for all teams, they'll be trying to engineer the best electric motors :cry:

nejcdolinsek 05-21-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by racer_f50
Max's idea of F-1 in the future:
http://sio.midco.net/mmonhoia/prius.jpg

Prius's for all teams, they'll be trying to engineer the best electric motors :cry:

+1 :( :roll:

Mattk 05-21-2007 10:58 PM

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Maximum revs would also be cut by approximately 9,000rpm, which would mean the cars would also create less noise polution.
I think people go to such events because of the noise.

Max Mosley is the son of the former leader/founder of the British Union of Fascists, which was essentially a Mussolini fan club for many British aristocrats. His ideals are about as laughable as his father's were.

acmarttin 05-22-2007 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattk
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Maximum revs would also be cut by approximately 9,000rpm, which would mean the cars would also create less noise polution.
I think people go to such events because of the noise.

Yeah I think Max's list eliminates most of the major reasons why F1 fans attend and watch races. Great battle plan.

novass 05-22-2007 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by racer_f50
Max's idea of F-1 in the future:
http://sio.midco.net/mmonhoia/prius.jpg

Prius's for all teams, they'll be trying to engineer the best electric motors :cry:

I think I saw this car on the freeway the other day. I can't imagine that there would be more than one Metallic green/gold Prius out there....God help us all if there is.

This is a stupid ass plan. No one wants to go to a race to see slow, quiet, eco cars...they want to see racing!

Shinigami 05-22-2007 03:17 AM

There's always the A1, which might overtake the F1 if proposals like this are pushed forwards...

dons5 05-22-2007 05:25 AM

yes part of the fun and rush is the noise, actually thats most of it, its not like u can watch a good race from in person when u can only see a corner or 2, its the cars flying by so fastand making all the different sounds they make soo loud thats the main rush i think, for most people.

Get rid of this green shit the cars will probably be wayyy quieter and not even sound good, part of what makes racing (and cars) soo awesome is the sound and this will elimanate that element.

turbos back in F1? no way

9000 rpm are u fuckin kidding me this is fuckin Formula 1 not some fuckin ameteur F3000 league.

stupid fucks running F1

Mattk 05-23-2007 08:37 PM

I don't even get why F1 needs to be more environmentally friendly. The car engines themselves are obviously made for ultimate fuel efficiency so I wouldn't expect pollution levels to be sky high. Nobody's complained, but Mosley still wants to change something.

Mers 05-23-2007 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattk
I don't even get why F1 needs to be more environmentally friendly. The car engines themselves are obviously made for ultimate fuel efficiency so I wouldn't expect pollution levels to be sky high. Nobody's complained, but Mosley still wants to change something.

Also, they're already pointlessly driving nowhere, anywyas. Why not do it the best possible way....

I don't think F1 is a huge cause of pollution anyhow

saadie 05-23-2007 09:32 PM

the removed 2 cylinders slowed the car down all in the name of safety .. and now they wasnt to do a night race .. haaaha .. HAA HA :| ... :? ....

Mers 05-24-2007 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by saadie
the removed 2 cylinders slowed the car down all in the name of safety .. and now they wasnt to do a night race .. haaaha .. HAA HA :| ... :? ....

exactly....

Mattk 05-24-2007 11:16 PM

I think this is an evil, cunning plan to re-align street car development with race car development.

RC45 05-25-2007 12:13 AM

http://www.use.com/6348

I found this video of pitcrews testing for next season....

We already know the drivers are whiney babies.. all they need is to be issued with electric baby carriages ;)

Mers 05-25-2007 02:21 AM

hahaha I remember a commercial for broadband internet in france where the F1 race was done in pedal cars...

Future of F1...pedal cars

Mers 05-25-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
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Originally Posted by Mattk
I think this is an evil, cunning plan to re-align street car development with race car development.

That's a good theory! :D

It is, but that would make it bad for both sides..

Hybrid street AND racing cars? We're gonna be like that south park episode where kyle moves to San Francisco

blue8 05-31-2007 05:12 AM

From F1 Live:
If Formula One does not act, car manufacturers could quit and the very existence of motor sport could be under threat.

That is the belief of FIA President Max Mosley, who in an interview with the newspaper Welt am Sonntag justified his tough stance on modernising the rules for the future.

Talks with the carmakers have already begun about revolutionising the rulebook for 2011, with things like biofuel-powered V6 engines on the table.

The last carmaker to pull out of F1 was Ford at the end of 2004, but Mosley insisted: "We must continue to cut the costs."

"My experience is that if one manufacturer decides it has become too expensive, another one could also say goodbye very quickly. We have to remember that the people sitting on these companies' executive boards are not necessarily F1 fans."

He admits that recent rule changes like longer-life engines and the new 'engine freeze' in 2007 had not dramatically altered the manufacturers' willingness to spend money.

"Only two of them have actually reduced their budgets," Mosley said.

"Instead of enjoying the cost savings they have continued to spend exactly the same sums, to develop maybe three or four more horse power - and that's crazy.
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"

Along with cost, Mosley is also desperate to make the rules of the future more road-relevant and environmentally friendly, particularly when he fears a looming world oil crisis.

Denying reports that he is considering introducing 'standard cars', Mosley did admit that the chassis rules will be changed.

He asked rhetorically: "Do you know how much carbon dioxide is blown into the air when top teams run two wind-tunnels 24 hours a day, day after day?"

"We are talking about thousands of tons, and then at the end of the day the races are boring."

"And cars that use 75 litres of fuel to go 100 kilometres are no longer acceptable."

Mosley warned: "If we do not act, the very existence of Formula One will be under threat. We do not live on another planet so we have to face reality."

saadie 05-31-2007 05:52 AM

F1 will love forever no matter what ... F1 will be alot better off if mosley STFU and GTFO. :|

TopGearNL 06-11-2007 07:01 PM

Beginning of the end.

Somebody kidnap that guy please!

Svensson 06-11-2007 07:10 PM

^ Yeah or kick him in the nuts really hard! On second thought... perhaps that would lead to even gayer rules :lame:


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