Just a little Veyron Update
 

From Bugatti

Also in this months evo. From an interview with Thomas Bscher:

"We've succeded in cutting 150kg from the car's weight. Its impossible for us to give an exact target figure, but somewhere between 1900 and 1990kg is very likely"

So no lightweight then! :o

Fuck me, nearly two tonnes, I knew it would be heavy, but not that heavy.

Which gives it a power to weight ratio of just over 500hp.... which is erm, well make up your own mind ;)

Its 1000ps, which is "only" 987bhp.

So bhp/tonne is 496-506

Mclaren F1: 560
Konigsegg CC8S: 566
Konigsegg CCR: 694!!
Zonda F: 610

lol, indeed, and although the acceleration times from the 4WD and huge low down torque will be quite impressive, you're definately going to feel all that weight in the corners. Especially as lots of weight + 4WD is definately a recipe for understeer ;)

Compared to everything else in the league it's trying to join, that car is going to be shite. I can't believe how heavy it is, apparently it carries 150kg in fluids alone - the price you pay for 4 turbos, 987hp is a lot of heat! Ferrari must be pissing themselves laughing...

holy shit: 1,250 Nm!!! (921.953 lb-ft!!!)
that right there is one mighty impressive number.

you're probly all right about the weight ruining the handling, but with that much torque i bet you could steer with the gas pedal :twisted:

nice little update. and nice little comparison too mindgam3. glad to see that it's "on schedule"

"We've succeded in cutting 150kg from the car's weight. Its impossible for us to give an exact target figure, but somewhere between 1900 and 1990kg is very likely"

DANG! So its 1900kg, after losing 150kg! That's fucking nuts, this car is just too damn heavy. :roll: It doesn't matter how much hp and trq they give it, its still going to be crap in the corners with that much mass...give me a McLaren F1 or a CGT over this lump of iron anyday!

Veyron will own the speed record. 8)

Well...the CCR has it now. Lets give that the glory it deserves for however long it lasts. :wink:

who cares, its built like a tank and about as sporty as a blue whale.. not too bad if all you want to do is try to go fast around nardo or down the unrestricted autobahn but absolutely useless as soon as a corner appears

what a bunch of crap. So they did not get their 1001 hp target and they post figures using PS to trick people into thinking they wanted 1001 ps instead of hp.

So heavy, so ugly looking, and still a piece of shiet car. I feel sorry for the guy getting one already, I gues he paid for a creamy cake before he tasted it actually is a piece of shit with wip cream on top.

Are you telling me you cant believe they cant extract an extra 20bhp from an 8.0l engine? British magazines have a tendancy to use their numerical version of Horsepower while Germans use their PS. The car has 1001 PS which many people see as 1000bhp which ever way you look at it.

Althought this car is a engeniering archievement in every way.
The car was meant to be heavy because of his luxury interior and that dificults even more the archievement of performance figures like 400km/h,fast acceleration or even good dynamics.
The tecnology gain in this project will be very useful for future really hardcore supercars. :wink:

The Mclaren f1 had leather, air conditioning and a stereo...... and luggage space and an extra seat. What more luxary do you need? And what the hell is this luxury made of to weigh the 800kg difference? I'm pretty sure thats not the reason it's so much heavier.

Stupid amounts of torque means you've got to make the whole drivetrain bullet proof and therefore very heavy - gearbox, clutch, shafts, the lot. Plus its got 4WD, a 8 litre engine and 4 turbos which all need intercoolers etc etc, not hard to see where all the weight comes from, but whats the point when the power to weight is only slightly more than an enzo? Yet in the corners its going to be only half as good, especially that as any downforce it does create will have minimal effects on something that heavy....

And as caneswell said, the Zonda, CCR, McLaren F1, CGT all have luxury interirors and the Enzo has all you could need.....

It might cost the same as a McLaren, but I think most people would rather have the McLaren. I wonder why no one else has tried to make a supercar 3 seats.

A veyron doesn´t have the same objective as the Mclaren.
Mclaren was a supercar designed for performance,in the other hand we have the veyron that was designed to be a compromise between luxury,design and performance.
This compromise takes this car to a level of a SuperGT(Gran Turismo) not to a Supercar level.

400mm front discs according to EVO, doesent state if they are carbon ceramic or not though.

A nice little quote from Dr Bscher:

"The Veyron has a lot to live up to, the McLaren F1 was built to a fantastic standard using the finest possible materials. I'd never claim that we're building a car that will surpass even the F1 in this area"

^ but yet it costs the same as one?

Bugatti never was a cheap brand..... :shock:

That was when they made cars that were better than the competition!

Define Better....
The EB110 wasn´t the best of them all,but still one of the best cars available in the market when it was launched.

Awesome i want to see this finally hit the roads. What an uber GT!

does anybody know the expected production run? i tend to think a sighting of a Veyron will be as rare as a macca.... fewer then 100 in the world makes for a hard target to find.
albiet im not a big fan of this car, im definately interested in it emphatically :)

first i heard about this car was over 2 years ago in an F1 magazine i think. Then again in Road and Track when they were talking about someone nearly stuffing the only road going prototype at Laguna Seca :shock:

i didn't think it was actually goin gto make it to production, but i'm glad it is :D I have a feeling TT will be on a lifelong mission to capture one when it hits the streets :mrgreen:

I've read somewhere they are carbon ceramic and I would be really taken aback if they weren't.

so much for your inside information regarding the weight eh everso? ;):P

^^
i'll say. it also wouldnt be the first time a car had something more (in this case less wieght is more) then what is claimed :)
also, thanks for the production run numbers... gives me a little more hope to see this car sometime besides an auto show :-D

Well when Dr Bscher, the guy running the Veyron states in more than one interview that a weight of 1900-2000kg is very likely, I dont think its going to be around the 1500-1600kg mark :p Especially when the 1900-2000 figure is after they've reduced its weight by 150kg

more specific info regarding the brakes :

Bugatti Veyron 16.4 - The best brakes in automotive engineering
- Unique cooling system for extremely fade-resistant carbon-ceramic brake system
- Airbrake applied above 200 km/h uses the aerodynamics of the rear wing

The Bugatti Veyron, one of the fastest cars of all time, will be making its debut this year. A top speed of over 400 km/h influences the design of every engine and running gear component. This maximum speed is the standard that each and every solution has to achieve. For example: the carbon-ceramic brake system, many components of which are unique. Certain components were developed in cooperation with development partners from the aviation and space industries. Experiencing the brake system in action is just as enjoyable as experiencing the acceleration of the Bugatti. The addition of the airbrake, an aerodynamic rear-wing braking function which is deployed above speeds of 200 km/h, gives the vehicle deceleration values which cannot be experienced in any other car in series production.

Brake pressure of up to 180 bar

The brake forces are distributed with a maximum of sixty percent on the front axle and forty percent on the rear axle. The system is capable of a brake pressure of 180 bar. Braking to the ABS control range requires 50 to 70 bar in a Bugatti Veyron with standard tyres - a difference of over 100 bar from the top performance of 180 bar, an indication of the high braking potential.

Carbon discs, titanium brake pistons

The carbon disc brakes have a diameter of 400 millimetres in the front (rear: 380 millimetres). The eight-piston monobloc brake caliper weighs only 5.7 kilograms, is reinforced with a centre fin and has four brake pads. Its pistons are made of titanium and are fitted with a stainless steel crown and ceramic heat shield. The pad friction area totals "4 x 80 cm2". The grooves in the discs for air cooling are not straight but have a turbine-shaped structure so that they are able to draw in cooling air while the vehicle is in motion.
From 310 km/h to 80 km/h and back repeatedly without fading! In addition, the front disc brakes, which are have higher demands placed on them, are maintained at a constant ideal temperature even under maximum loading by a completely new type of dynamic pressure cooling. An example from the prototype trials: during a brake fade test with 1.0 g* repeated braking from 310 km/h to 80 km/h (acceleration from 80 km/h to 310 km/h + subsequent braking in only 22 seconds per cycle in total!), a thermal equilibrium was achieved after braking for the twentieth time - even then, the brake fluid temperature stayed below the defined 220°C level and the top surface of the discs below a 1 000°C limit.

blah, blah, blah, blah

I would rather have a Pagani Zonda F over this big heavy Bugatti. Sure it is a mesh of luxury and speed but i would rather have fun sporty car. For example I would rather have a Porsche C4S over a CL55. Both are fast cars but only one offer the better drive. JMO.

nice first post .. continue like that and you wont be here long :roll: