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Max Power 11-20-2006 03:26 PM

Kursk Conspiracy
 
Don't know if this has been posted before, but anyways the brief outline below describes an alternative theory to what happend...

Film: Kursk: a Submarine in Troubled Waters
Quote:

Koursk: un sous-marin en eaux troubles, which aired on 7 January 2005 on French TV channel France 2, alleged that Kursk sank because of an exchange triggered by the collision with the US submarine USS Toledo. According to Carré, the Kursk was performing tests of a new torpedo called Shkval and the tests were being observed by two US submarines on duty in the region, the USS Toledo and USS Memphis.

At some point, the Kursk and the Toledo collided, damaging the latter (video footage shows long gashes carved in the side of the Kursk) and, in order to prevent the Kursk firing upon the Toledo (allegedly presaged by the audible opening of the Kursk's torpedo tubes), the Memphis fired a Mark 48 torpedo into the Russian submarine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian..._the_explosion

here's the documentary...the french version...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8W40ONL5

english version...

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...852276&q=kursk

russian subtitles
or dl from - http://www.avaxhome.ru/misc_and_web/..._reupload.html

RAMMIUS 11-20-2006 04:36 PM

I saw a documentary made by CBC, and actually they were saying that Shkval exploded
when they tried to launch it at a target.

I would say that it`s totall bullshit, IF an american submarine would sink a russian one it would be a classic case of casus belli.
And I doubt that "curiosity" would push the two american Los Angeles class subs, so close to a russian exercise.

Anybody heard/read some other theories ?

BTW Max can you upload the whole movie ?

Schwalbe 11-20-2006 05:27 PM

Me too, I have serious doubt about this "French theory" about what sunk the Kurks submarine. The Kursk an Akula class (Typhoon) type 949A nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine (SSGN) is built around three concentric cylinder (multi-hulled) and is designed to resist from the assault of several conventional torpedo hits.

I remain with the version of an accident around the handling by Russian navy of the famous "bubble gas" torpedo named Shkval. It's true the US Navy was in the sector to observe the Russian Navy maneuvers, but they are not responsible. In more they offered their assistance to the Russian government which has refused any International help during several days.


BTW, I am very interested to see this French theory video. Merci à l'avance ! :wink:

TT 11-20-2006 05:56 PM

Very interested in the french version too :D

Max Power 11-20-2006 06:00 PM

I'll get it up by tommorow...

TopGearNL 11-20-2006 06:19 PM

Very interesting!! :shock: :o

TT 11-20-2006 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Power
I'll get it up by tommorow...

Thanks!

nthfinity 11-20-2006 07:02 PM

schwalbe is right, there is undeniable documented evidence...

It is my understanding that the russian people (families of those who died) don't trust the story, however... but this is a very different russia then it used to be.

since i don't speak more then 10 words of french, i shall pass, thanks for the offer tho.

Mattk 11-20-2006 08:18 PM

I've heard of this theory, and don't believe it. It sounds plausible in theory, but given the post Cold War political climate, you would think Russia and the US would not be engaging in acts of war against each other.

Max Power 11-20-2006 11:43 PM

here it is

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8W40ONL5

spanky 11-21-2006 12:52 AM

Thanks max.. Its definitely an interesting theory :good:

blinkmeat 11-21-2006 01:31 AM

Hmm I'd never heard of this. Too bad it's in french :(

Max Power 11-21-2006 01:58 AM

well i could add subs to it...but i'd probably make half of them up...

Schwalbe 11-21-2006 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
^ wow - you're really into submarines, aren't you? :P :D

Like several JW people, I very like all about military contents. I'm happy to see the first video from the reborn "Conspiracy theory" topic it's about a military issue. Thanks a lot Max Power for this one. :D :good:

blinkmeat 11-21-2006 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Power
well i could add subs to it...but i'd probably make half of them up...

It's cool, I'll just wiki it.

I'm downloading a vid called "Secret societies" done by the history channel. If I get it I'll try to upload it.


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