Which cars got cheated or boosted? Top Gear Stig tests:

[pimrusis]

Aside from the first Lamborghini Murcielago time, what cars could have done a lot better if the conditions were more equal? Or which benefited too much from them?

I think the Zonda would still have the lap record if it was bone dry out, like I think it was for the XTR and Murcielago. I also think the Impreza got cheated.

[antonioledesma]

Of course all cars got cheated by having those terrible climatic conditios that England have... 95% of all year.
Maybe the RWD and FWD were the cars most affected, and it's because the causes all we know.

[snacky]

That was my main complaint in the other post. the inconsistant track conditions between cars tested make the results incomparable. my second pseudo complaint is the way stig drives all sideways, that scrubs off alotta speed and throws off the lap times. but I love that show cuz it's so much fun to watch.

I like the BEST MOTORING vids that race the cars against each other. I think that's more comparable cuz the drivers seem (to me) to be truly evaluating cars against each other. but it's sorta dry, humorless, and not as much sideways driving.

[Ivanhoe]

yup unfair to some overly fair to to thers :fist:

[Caplax40]

Aside from the first Lamborghini Murcielago time, what cars could have done a lot better if the conditions were more equal? Or which benefited too much from them?

I think the Zonda would still have the lap record if it was bone dry out, like I think it was for the XTR and Murcielago. I also think the Impreza got cheated.

For sure! They absolutely must run the Zonda in the dry!

[DMbaseball1604]

well the second timing of the lambo was faster it beat the pagani, in the countach video..but I would have liked to see the Ford GT around the track and the slr...but I think the Porsche GT3 got cheated because of how wet it was ...even they said it was not a day for a rear engine rear drive car..

[snacky]

For sure! They absolutely must run the Zonda in the dry!

I 3rd that motion. retest the zonda in the dry. And while you're at it, TG, run the FORD GT and the Porsche CGT too. And the Enzo, dont forget the Enzo. and then add the 959 and F40 and F50 too. oh yeah, and the 962 and CLK-GTR & Porsche GT1 too, ok? thanx

[levensnevel]

Don't think that any manufacturer of 'supercars' will allow der Stig or Richard or Jazza to drive one of their cars to the max, TG style. Don't think that any private owner, unless he is a committed gumball participant, will allow it either.
So it is doomed to be a mission impossible I'm afraid :roll:

[snacky]

yeah,

TG blew it with that old jag in that respect. but they let tiff drive a million dollar McLaren F1 and then a million lb CLK-GTR, on icy roads EVEN !!! that's trust, that's confidence tiff wont wreck, that or tiff and they are very very well insured , hahaha.

I wonder how many cars BEST MOTORING has wrecked.

[nchs09]

GT3...

[SDK2003]

Porsche Turbo and GT3 were both done on wet tracks as were both tests of the Honda NSX.
The Honda S2000 shootout in the wet against the Z4 and Boxster was also not in favour of the S2000

[WhiteP]

NSX-R got cheated I think.. and the Murcielago got boasted :P

[pimrusis]

its cause tiff isn't too much of a jerk.

[gis]

there is a few cars that i think should be tested on a dry track,the one i would really love to see done again is the porsche GT3,also wasnt the BMW M3 CSL done on a moist track.the latest one the NSX-R i would like to be seen done again.

[Ivanhoe]

YES i agree S200 deserves a rematch... :cry:

[Leo_M3]

i was really pissed off after watching the TT V6 test....because they didn't turn the traction control off......

i've driven my TT many times around a track and have also watched other TTs go around a track and NEVER have i seen that kind of understeer. WHY? because we always turn the ESP (traction control) off.......Jeremy Clarkson just wanted to drag down the TT, so they kept it on....bastards!....still the time was pretty good (same as a Lotus Esprit V8 ), but it would have been much better with ESP off.

You sure they had the traction control on?

You gotta put into the equation that the V6 engine is alot heavier then your turbo 4

[antonioledesma]

It's a dream if u want to test all cars in a dry test track, in England! xsakes, in that country rains 359 days a year, plus the fog... yuck!

that's why F1 teams test in Spain, Italy, those countries have a friendlier climate

[PaulGT2164]

tiff is a real driver, and is there to push the cars, not push the humor section of the show, i would trust a tiff review of any car over a clarkson, and i would trust my car in tiffs hands a million times more than i would in clarkson hands
i know some like clarkson more, hes more pratcical...but then aigain my perfect street car is a race car :D

[levensnevel]

Although I'm a Tiff man I know that Tiff had his flukes aswell.
I remember that in one of the previous 5th Gear series he was making an videoshoot with the Tiger Z100, a twin Kawasaki ZX9R bike engine kitcar.

http://www.alltheweb.com/r?ck_sm=2abb5c7f&rpos=10&oid=-&rpge=1&ref=40600340086&r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerracing.co.uk%2Fgraphics%2F z1001024.jpg

In an attempt to become the fastest "production car"and having already set a blistering 0-60 mph time of 3.11 seconds Tiff went out on a second run to improve that timeeven further. The engines have separate sequential gearboxes driving two propellers into a special straight cut transfer box. Something went wrong in the synchronisation and one of the engines was actually downshifted due to a mechanical glitch. Logically the engine overrevved and subsequently went with a big bang.
But those things can happen when you're trying to boldly go where no one has gone before :fadein:

[SDK2003]

i was really pissed off after watching the TT V6 test....because they didn't turn the traction control off......

i've driven my TT many times around a track and have also watched other TTs go around a track and NEVER have i seen that kind of understeer. WHY? because we always turn the ESP (traction control) off.......Jeremy Clarkson just wanted to drag down the TT, so they kept it on....bastards!....still the time was pretty good (same as a Lotus Esprit V8 ), but it would have been much better with ESP off.

You have to remember that they are pushing all the cars tested on the track to the limit & whilst the Audi TT is 4WD most of the time it's FWD and at the end of the day the TT is just a VW Golf, Seat Leon, and Skoda Octavia with a Coupe body and Aluminium bits – The TT is not a track sports car.

[Kangaroo Boy]

I think our monaro run was pretty poor even in the wet..I know that for a fact.I think Stig shat himself that he couldn't drive it.Get any real aussie touring car driver(let say Mark Skaife),show him the track,I reckon it would do easy 1.29seconds in the dry..I shit you not.Because I watch the bloody thing in production car racing,(well the GTS 300kw bit faster but not much due to 4 doors).Anyway,this thing sticks with STi and Evo in production car racing in the wet..Don't believe me,ask any aussie here that watch Production car racing here..Although not saying its better car than Evo or St in the handling department,Its quick,but Top gear made it out its slow.I know the track was wet that day,but yeah, IMO should have done better...I don't think stig was pushing it..

[SDK2003]

I beat a 400 HP Audi S4, Boxter, and well tuned Integras in my last outing. One of my friends came in 1st recently with his TT at an event with 993 Porsches and S4s.

besides that, there is an MTM Bimoto TT with over 800 HP (494hp/ton). That is one of the fastest cars in the world right now..and it has 2 engines. The chassis can definitely handle it.

April Fools already :?: :!:

[GT-R_R34]

i think the zonda got cheated the most. if you look at the video the zonda did the lap on a the same track as the Murcielago and lap at 1.23 when the murcielago lap on 1.29.

[yg60m]

That wasn't the same "Stig" for the 2 Lambo laps (and not the same Murcielago too, the second seems to have a special exhaust compare to the first), the new one is obviously more "effective" and I think that he would have posted a better time with the Zonda.
The temperature of the track can play a small role too (1~2 seconds i think) but i was surprised of the poor time of the first Lambo, the Zonda is faster but not that much : 5 seconds on a 1:23.9 time lap !! They have almost the same difference on the Nurbürgring (Ref. :Sport Auto) on a 7:45 time lap !!

[SDK2003]

sorry man, it ain't no joke....the TT is an underrated performer, in my opinion...and people think it's just a beautiful design...while many of us know what it can REALLY do.

go and google MTM Bimoto TT. go learn something!

I know about the Bimoto already thanks and if that is your basis for the TT being a good track car then you're sadly mistaken.

I beat a 400 HP Audi S4, Boxter, and well tuned Integras in my last outing.
ROFL, you cannot possibly say that an TT is quicker around track than an Audi A4 S4 or Boxster, if you were then the drivers of those cars were obviously not driving them properly

[GT-R_R34]

no, the murcielago did 1.29 in the wet the first time....and then they did the murcielago AGAIN on the dry and it did 1.23.

??? the first Murcielago wasn't on the wet the put some wet pad, and the zonda did it in the same type of track.
the zonda needs to be retest with the new stig.


why TG level the Gallardo not in the wet. i saw clearly that it was on the wet and it still did it in 1.25, if what Jeremy said is true take 4sec in the dry, thats a 1.21.

[pimrusis]

it was damp, and it was a shitty time...

[kiato4]

I think the Gallardo may have beaten everything in the dry... but that's because the Gallardo is SICK..

[levensnevel]

Just reminded me of the fact that we never saw a McLaren F1 on the track to set a laptime.
From what I recall at least one owner wrote to TG that he was willing to lend his Macca to smash the laprecord in Serie 2. That offer was rejected by TG.
I still wonder why :roll:

[ben]

the lambo merc got cheated and the nsx they evan admited to the lambo being cheated.

[pimrusis]

Just reminded me of the fact that we never saw a McLaren F1 on the track to set a laptime.
From what I recall at least one owner wrote to TG that he was willing to lend his Macca to smash the laprecord in Serie 2. That offer was rejected by TG.
I still wonder why :roll:

I guess they don't want to race this car on the track if its from a private owner, because they probably couldn't even insure it.