TOP GEAR REVIEW - LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO

[Jabba]

http://host55.hrwebservices.net/~kscreat/video%20features%20462239/top%20gear%20lamborghini%20gallarado%20review.zip

[chernobyl]

Thankyou.
Missed Topgear tonight as NTL was on the blink.

[TT]

Nice! Thanks!!

[PATo355]

Kewl !!! , dlding

[Jabba]

I am trying a new video resolution with improved quality tonight in the hope of sorting out the squished screen problems some of you have been having...

Your feedback would be appreciated.

[PATo355]

thats why the video is so fucking big ? ??? 79 mb for a review of 1 car ... a lot !!!!

So its better quality or just changed the aspect ratios ?

[Jabba]

Its both... the bit rate is up and the resolution is now 384 x 288.

Other resolutions I am testing are

352 x 288 and 375 x 288 its just a case of finding one that everyone is going to be happy with.

I don't think 80 MB is that big for a 9 minute special feature and of course no one is forcing you to download it.

[PATo355]

I am to tell you how it looks in my pc , that 384 since is wider might be better then the old one huh ... which res you were using for past videos ? like the Bentley continental one ? that looked fine in my pc ...

[AlienDB7]

Downloading now, thanks Jabba.

Heard today's top gear features 3 lambos and a few tuned Mini Cooper S, can't wait for it to show up on the TV here 0X

[chernobyl]

Aspect ratio in WMP9 is definitely wrong. Car looks way too tall.
Just me?

[Jabba]

All were 360 x 288 which was easier and quicker for me but was a bit non-standard for people that couldn't adjust the resolution.

[chernobyl]

Tiff: handling is crap
Jeremy: handling is great

wtf?

[TT]

Tiff said feedback is back, I don't remember him saying the handling isn't good

[PATo355]

Just personal likes .... tiff said the 350z was amazing .... jeremy said it was crap

[AlienDB7]

320x240 is supposed to be the perfect resolution for WMV. Since you're using 288 as vertical resolution, horizontal resolution should be 288 * (320 / 240) = 384. So 384x288 should be perfect...

But things seems to look a bit strectched vertically. Did you crop the letterbox (black bars? As least on bbc world, they show the video with letterbox. If I remember right, it's 16 pixels top and bottom (for 352x240). Try to encode the video at 320x208 and it should look perfect 0X

Very good lambo review. Great drive by the stig too!

[AlienDB7]

Just did a test to reencode the video to 320x208 divx, the aspect ratio seems to look good. Should I upload it to the multimedia gallary so people can check it out? It's only 2MB.

[TT]

Audio and video quality are very very good, but I have to quote what said above, the aspect ration is not perfect. Sure hard to spot if you don't compare with other vids, but there is something "not right" :D
Still a great effort!

[SFDMALEX]

The aspect ratio looks bad on my rig. Its very sqaure and the cars looks squashed, and boxy.-Thats in Win Media Player.

Anyway, when I play the video in my Divx player and change the aspect ratio from original to 16:9 everything is perfect. And the quality is nice :D

[Jabba]

I have noticed the mpeg from the original capture is 375 x 288 should I give that a try ??

I will check my satellite box as that maybe set to 16:9 and I guess that could effect it also ??

[Jabba]

Ok I am going to cancel the upload of the "other" video that I was going to post tonight and re-encode it at a different resolution.

[Jabba]

Just did a test to reencode the video to 320x208 divx, the aspect ratio seems to look good. Should I upload it to the multimedia gallary so people can check it out? It's only 2MB.

Yes that would be great...thanks Alien...

[PATo355]

You will use 375x288 ? If that is the original capture aspect ratio it might work good ...

[TT]

Ok I am going to cancel the upload of the "other" video that I was going to post tonight and re-encode it at a different resolution.

Dang, another long night :D

[budagboy2]

when i click it, it says page cannot be found. Is it b/c i dont have enough posts?

[Jabba]

I am going to leave it to encode over night and upload it frst thing in the morning...I will get this thing sorted out if its the last thing I do.

[Jabba]

when i click it, it says page cannot be found. Is it b/c i dont have enough posts?

THe video is now removed until I get the resolution sorted out.

[SFDMALEX]

I have noticed the mpeg from the original capture is 375 x 288 should I give that a try ??

I will check my satellite box as that maybe set to 16:9 and I guess that could effect it also ??

Do you have a 16:9 TV Jabba? If you dont and the satellite box is set to 16:9 they there will be two big black vertical stripes at the bottom and top of the picture.

[Ziploc]

holy crap down allready?

[AlienDB7]

Check out http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/502/18top_gear_res_test_2.avi

It's the gallardo video reencoded as 512x288 (i.e. 16:9). TT, delete the file if it takes up too much bandwidth, it's only 390KB though.

edit: forgot to mention, it's *only* a 4 seconds clip... not the whole thing :)

[PATo355]

Just watched the video ... looks awfull in WMP9 , but in Divx player in 16:9 aspect ratio it looks awesome .... is the perfect resolution

[Johns]

sweeet quality and show!! What the fuck is up with the shift knob, it looked like crap, for a car over 150K I would expect that shit to last forever :? or who the hell was drivin the car before Clarkson, dont know how that would happen 8)

I agree with Clarkson, the Murcielago is the greatest lambo ever built 0X because of its looks, quality, and new features/technology!!

The Stigg really ripped the Gallardo through the track comin in at 5th place from the chart! that is one fast bitch :lol:

[Jabba]

I have noticed the mpeg from the original capture is 375 x 288 should I give that a try ??

I will check my satellite box as that maybe set to 16:9 and I guess that could effect it also ??

Do you have a 16:9 TV Jabba? If you dont and the satellite box is set to 16:9 they there will be two big black vertical stripes at the bottom and top of the picture.

I have a 56" wide screen...I have only just thought however that as I take an RF feed from the box for the capture card on my PC that that might be coming out at 16:9 also.

http://www.weeno.com/P7020017.jpg

[GT-R_R34]

i have to say the Gallardo is one fast car in the wet. if they say take 4 sec off in the dry it would be faster than the koenig and the zonda.

[HoboPie]

hmmm I can't dl it

Did you take it down for good or will I get anotger chance at some point?

[Jabba]

Just watched the video ... looks awfull in WMP9 , but in Divx player in 16:9 aspect ratio it looks awesome .... is the perfect resolution

I think its cause my satellite box is set for 16:9 for my TV downstairs....dammmmmmm I wish I had thought of that before.

[PATo355]

yup , that might be the problem ....

[Jabba]

hmmm I can't dl it

Did you take it down for good or will I get anotger chance at some point?

If you had bothered to read the thread...you will see I used the wrong resolution and I am re-encoding it and re-uploading it tomorrow.

[deth]

Great review and car...kinda agree w/ JC about the loss of lamboness, but the lap time compensates for it....i think...................

btw...is it just me of does the rear 3/4 view of the gallardo look like a squished nsx?

[Jabba]

Check out http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/502/18top_gear_res_test_2.avi

It's the gallardo video reencoded as 512x288 (i.e. 16:9). TT, delete the file if it takes up too much bandwidth, it's only 390KB though.

edit: forgot to mention, it's *only* a 4 seconds clip... not the whole thing :)

Are you sure about the resolution Alien as I cannot find any reference to it here :

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/94382.php


The closest I see to it is 640 X 512

[PATo355]

The aliendb7 one looks good in my pc ... its the same as 16:9 in the DIVXPLAYER

[Jabba]

Right thats the one I am going to use for tonight and we can carry on with this tommrow as its getting a bit late here for me 2:18 AM

[PATo355]

Also if the capture resolution is 375 x 288 and we see it squashed u might need to use 375/16+9 = 375 x 211 , i think so if my maths dont fail 0X

[PATo355]

but 512x288 will make filez 40% longer than b4 , i guess 375x211 would make the filez like the ones we get now ...

[Jabba]

I will let you debate that with the Alien I think.

[AlienDB7]

The problem is the 16:9 here. With MPEG, it's not a big problem since there's a "flag" for 16:9 or 4:3. That's why VCD (4:3) is 352x240 or 384x240 instead of 320x240. When you create a wmv or divx, it has to be 1:1. So, it has to be 320x240. The problem in your case is, the source is 16:9 so you have to resize it to proper resolution. You can either use 320x180 or 512x288 to get the 16:9 resolution required.

640/512 = 1.25
16/9 = 1.777777...

320x240 = 1.333333...
4/3 = 1.33333....

Hope this isn't too confusing :)

[PATo355]

The 320x180 resolution will make the filez the common size in mb i mean ... if you can compress them to divx i guess we can get better quality per mb than with WMV , right ?

[Jabba]

Thank goodness we got you here Alien....I will upload it in both resolutions and then we can see what looks best.

[AlienDB7]

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/502/18top_gear_res_test_3.avi

Another resolution test, this time in 320x180. I did some measurements on my monitor and the sphere on the gearstick seems to be symmetrical. Hope the lambo engineers did that part properly so it's not skewing the experiment :)

[PATo355]

AlienDB7 might get "encoder consultant" quote down his nick , heh

[Jabba]

The 320x180 resolution will make the filez the common size in mb i mean ... if you can compress them to divx i guess we can get better quality per mb than with WMV , right ?

As I understand it the resolution doesnt effect the file size much the bit rate does...(like zooming in on a jpg) and I havent been able to get anywhere near as good a quality with the same file size in both divx and xvid.

[HoboPie]

hmmm I can't dl it

Did you take it down for good or will I get anotger chance at some point?

If you had bothered to read the thread...you will see I used the wrong resolution and I am re-encoding it and re-uploading it tomorrow.



Sorry, I'm a little was a little excited about the Gallardo's performance so I intentionally didn't read the thread so its time wouldn't be spoiled for me.

[PATo355]

yes i understand the same ... bit rate is most important , anyways this gallardo review looks better than the full eps we got b4 , this is like 50secs per mb , while the full eps were 2mins per mb . And the quality was extremely improved .

So the qualitys are good , the main problem is the aspect ratio , just divide the resolutions commonly used by 16 ( the vertical ) and multiply for 9 to get the horizontal

[Jabba]

anyways this gallardo review looks better than the full eps we got b4 , this is like 50secs per mb ,

Nope your way off there its an 80 MB file therefore that would make it 80 mins long and as you know its 9 minutes.

I am working to 10 MB per minute for the special features...the full programme will be dropped down to keep it under 200 MB.

[PATo355]

Yea i missed it ... 10mb per minute features and full progs 3mb per minute , that was it

[coombsie66]

i think i missed it, damn.

[deth]

Full episodes? where?

[Jabba]

It will be back tommorow at the correct resolution. (thanks for everybody helping me on this, greatly appreciated)

I think he meant the old episodes :wink:

[PATo355]

The ones we got b4 ... those were 3mb/s , you need to read the full topic man !!! we were discussing about the aspect ratios hehe 0X


And justin , the vid will be reposted tomorrow ... so you will get it

[maalox]

Well, I managed to squeak in getting the "wrong" version (missed out on the Stig complilation though :() and still plenty good enough looking to make some conclusions.

First of all, what a noise--very aggressive and as I would expect in a Lambo. Completely different from what you would want in a Ferrari as well.

I was a bit disappointed that they didn't do a head-to-head between the Lambo, Aston, and Porsche--kind of a missed oppurtunity IMO. Also, WTF is up with the Aston?! Not really in the same league if you ask me (*maybe* a DB7 GT might make it in on a good day). Presumably Ferrari couldn't book a tester or something (highly suspincious :wink:). If Lambo had the balls, they would send a 360 along with the Lambo as Ford did with its GT.

I also don't get where Clarkson is coming with on the handling angle. Tiff said the car was dull, and I'm much more inclined to believe him than Jeremy "I can't drive" Clarkson. It's probably more interesting than a Murciealago, but still off the pace of a Ferrari (or an old Diablo :twisted:).

Sets a pheonomenal pace on the track, even in the wet. Too bad it beat the GT3, I really like that car! Still, it has a 120 hp advantage, and lacks the overall fun potential of the Porsche.

Thanks for the vid Jabba.

[AlienDB7]

maalox: jeremy compared the gallardo to a DB7 Zagato, not a normal aston DB7 or DB7 GT :)

"What the Zagato DB7 offers, beyond a new body, is improved performance. New brakes, revised suspension geometry and an updated interior ensure the DB7Z is exclusive in all areas. Zagato also shed 133lbs off the car, almost the same amount they took off the DB4 back in the sixties.

Production is set at 99 units which will be delivered in 2003."

Source: http://www.supercars.net/cars/2003@$Aston%20Martin@$DB7%20Vantage%20Zagato%20Cou peg.html

You can't really believe either jeremy or tiff. Jeremy likes more controllable "driver friendly" cars, that's why he likes the 4WD lambos. On the other hand, tiff hates 4WD. In an interview, he said he would choose a FWD over 4WD. Not sure about you, but there's no way I would pick a FWD over anything. I'm not crazy enough to use the handbrake to make a FWD car "fun" :mrgreen: As you can see in my nick, I love the DB7.. so I'm just as biased as them. 0X

[twboy1999]

god damn it
i missed a video again

[geekdiggy]

damn was this vid good? i think i missed it

[Jabba]

New and improved version coming within the hour.

[geekdiggy]

muy excelente senor eater

[cho_888]

ok my friend in the UK recorded this and i listened to it over the internet becaus ei dont have the limit to download it. From what i hear its a good car and he goes though all the other lambo that he thinks are the greatest of all time.