Veyron in Production Finally!

[dons5]

Hey to all you Bugatti/Veyron fans i found this written up by someone on some forum who knows if it's true though:



"Bugatti Sends Veyron 16.4 Into Production

After four years of development, the Bugatti Veyron 16.4, as it will now be called, is ready for series production. The most exclusive sports car of all time is following in the footsteps of the legendary Bugatti, those universally-coveted limousines and unbeatable racing cars of the 1920s and 1930s which today are among the most sought-after creations from the early days of automobile construction.

This brings to an end the era of design models and concept cars which since the late 1990s have signposted possible paths to the Bugattis of the future. Design and technological concept have finally become reality in the Veyron model’s final form and will be available from the beginning of 2004 as a strictly limited edition of just 300 cars. Technologically futuristic and packed with creative engineering, the first Bugatti of the 21st century has arrived.

Merging the Past and the Future

The Bugatti Veyron 16.4’s home is in Molsheim-Dorlisheim, the French town where, almost 100 years ago, Ettore Bugatti began to realize his lifelong dream of being a car manufacturer.
The new workshop is not just where the engine and vehicle are assembled and tested, it is also the place where customers collect their Bugattis and drive them out onto the streets for the first time.

The aim is to turn Molsheim into an all-round Bugatti centre once again. While up to 70 new vehicles a year are built by hand in the new facility, neighbouring specially-equipped workshops are the scene of expert restoration work on historic Bugatti vehicles. Both past and future have found a new home here.

High Performance

The car’s safety systems have been designed to cope with its extraordinary performance, acceleration and speed. The single-piece carbon fibre monocoque alone scores maximum points in crash tests, while airbags give the driver and passenger additional protection. The high-speed tires designed specially for the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 (for vmax. > 350 km/h), sizes 265-680 R 500 A (front) and 365-710 R 540 A (rear), incorporate a further innovative safety feature in the form of the PAX System fitted to the wheels and tires, ensuring safe handling even after sudden pressure loss. Another Bugatti Veyron 16.4 component with a safety element is the rear spoiler. As well as providing the necessary downforce during high-speed travel, it acts as a kind of ‘parachute brake’ during emergency braking. Once precisely-defined deceleration forces are registered the spoiler tilts and the additional air resistance this generates reduces the braking distance to that of a lorry.

The Art of the Machine

The W16 alloy engine developed by Bugatti for the Veyron 16.4 will have a special and absolutely unique place in the history of sports car construction. Its design employs the space-saving VR principle with two particularly slender eight-cylinder blocks arranged at a 90° angle to each other.

1001 horsepower equip the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 with a level of acceleration unheard of in the sports car segment, propelling it from 0 to 62 mph in just three
seconds and past the 200 mph mark in a mere 14 seconds. Thanks to its 923 lb-ft, the Bugatti Veyron 16.4’s enormous propulsive power is not exhausted until it reaches
252.3 mph (406 km/h): the maximum speed for which chassis and drive train have been designed. Any further performance escalation is limited by current design and construction.

Also unique is the power transmission via an innovative directshift gearbox. Without any interruption in the power flow, the sequential seven-speed gearbox transmits the engine’s power to the wheels via permanent four-wheel drive. Put simply, this means uninterrupted acceleration from a standing start to maximum speed: a feeling previously known only to jet pilots.

Exclusive, Classical, Functional

Both exclusive and highly functional, the interior of the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 will transport you to a world of your own. Superb leather, also two-tone if desired, quality metallic trim and beautifully designed and ergonomically laid-out controls characterize the Veyron cockpit.

The Bugatti Veyron 16.4 instruments, with a large central rev counter surrounded by four smaller additional instruments also conjures up memories of the marque’s legendary motor sport past. The deliberate avoidance of superfluous instruments and modern extras are an unmistakable statement of the car’s uncompromising sportiness.

Unchanged on the series version of the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 is the classical two-tone paintwork. The designers have selected five separate colour combinations for the car: Each of the combinations features the bonnet, roof and rear in the darker of the two colours, with the sides and front wheel arches in the lighter colour.

According to Dr. Thomas Bscher, head of Bugatti, the first Bugatti Veyrons will be delivered to customers in the second half of 2005.


About time as well. I can't wait to see the independant acceleration tests for this car. It should well and truly trash all existing performance benchmarks set by everything except most likely the Dauer 962 Le Mans, a car with Group C race-car heritage and pedigree.

But the most important facts from the article:

0-320km/hr: 14 seconds (McLaren F1 28 seconds, F2003-GA approx 8 seconds)
7 speed twin-clutch semi-automated manual transmission (like Audi DSG and Porsche PDK)
vMax - 406km/hr
Michelin PAX 265-680 R 500 A front tyres
Michelin PAX 365-710 R 540 A rear tyres
8.0 litre W16 quad-turbocharged engine
923lb/ft torque from 2250-5000rpm
1001bhp at 6000rpm
All-wheel-drive.

This car has truly staggering performance specifications. And I hope we will see a full lap from in it around the Nordschliefe with a race-driver at the wheel"



the rears are 365's!!!! F2003ga 0-320 in 8s thats some serious speed man

[Gumball0r]

Damn, thats good news :)

[jon_s]

Christ! Could it finally be ready! 8)


I hope it is, I really do!

[dropot2]

I'll believe this when I see some photo of the Veyron in production... :roll:

[dons5]

ya who knows it could be bs, but it seems really proffessional and long and stuff

[dropot2]

ya who knows it could be bs, but it seems really proffessional and long and stuff

Agree, but we have had so many deceptions with the Veyron that I prefer to be pessimist...

[dons5]

well i personally belive its bs, but then theres this lil side thas sayin u know maybe this time it really is for real, but i keep tellin him to shut up cause it cant be lol

[mrpushrod]

To be honest I'm not too worried, I doubt this car will be particularly involving or agile. There is way too much concentation on two figures, 1001hp and 250mph.

[jon_s]

I'll believe this when I see some photo of the Veyron in production... :roll:

As we say here... pics or STFU! :lol: Finally... a good new about the Veyron.

LOL, we should send that to Bugatti!

[is64fun]

but will it be controlable? i think this is the main question. you can put a rocket engine and then it will be even faster than the current version but can you control that much power? think of the heat from the wheels and the brakes that will come out when you are going with 400 kmh and then suddenly brake hard! think of the crosswinds while going at 400 kmh! of course the engineers should have thought all of these but i do not still thrust. i think some of the lucky men who afford one will not be that much lucky in the future !

[abbor]

but will it be controlable? i think this is the main question. you can put a rocket engine and then it will be even faster than the current version but can you control that much power? think of the heat from the wheels and the brakes that will come out when you are going with 400 kmh and then suddenly brake hard! think of the crosswinds while going at 400 kmh! of course the engineers should have thought all of these but i do not still thrust. i think some of the lucky men who afford one will not be that much lucky in the future !

I really much doubt they have spent the last years making the engine fit into the car... :wink: They've probably thought about the steering :roll:

[Vansquish]

I'm actually starting to get more excited about the Veyron. I've never been a huge proponent of the, "hit it with a bigger stick" methodology of solving problems (apparently Bscher believes in it hehe), but I'll be glad to finally see a Bug in action again. I miss the EB110 and while the Veyron won't be comparable to that car, to see it in action will be pretty exciting. However, I'm still pessimistic about the chances of it actually attaining 406km/h in final customer spec after all the worries over aerodynamic instability and tire technology. Anyway, only time will tell i guess hehe.

[is64fun]

but will it be controlable? i think this is the main question. you can put a rocket engine and then it will be even faster than the current version but can you control that much power? think of the heat from the wheels and the brakes that will come out when you are going with 400 kmh and then suddenly brake hard! think of the crosswinds while going at 400 kmh! of course the engineers should have thought all of these but i do not still thrust. i think some of the lucky men who afford one will not be that much lucky in the future !

I really much doubt they have spent the last years making the engine fit into the car... :wink: They've probably thought about the steering :roll:

with that big wheel sizes in the front (265) i think steering is going to be a problem. think of the wheel holes in the body and the space required to turn them inside to the car. yeah, they should have thought all of the issues but do not forget the physics. it can be the fastest car but how about the details? how about the practicallity?

[bmwmpower]

i think, how many time VW on this car work, must be good,
fat car

and 0-320 in 14s? thats not possible

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

Firslty...i see a bit exagerated and optimists its acceleration and maximum speed since it needs the McLarens half of the time for reaching the 320 km/h and i see impossible this goal....besides....the maximum speed reach depends much more on the cars aerodinamics rather than the power itself no matter how much power the car develops....finally...i think its possible to get a drivable car regardless the power as long as the electronical stuff such as stability control, launch control among others are optimised and properly set up...

Finally lets see how much i love the car, since 14 years ago Bugatti launched the most powerful car ever.... the EB110..but at the end of the day the car doesnt bring any excitement to the driver....if the Veyron doesnt bring any excitement either, i wont like the car too much although it develops 1000 bhp

[JoeHahn]

Firslty...i see a bit exagerated and optimists its acceleration and maximum speed since it needs the McLarens half of the time for reaching the 320 km/h and i see impossible this goal....besides....the maximum speed reach depends much more on the cars aerodinamics rather than the power itself no matter how much power the car develops....finally...i think its possible to get a drivable car regardless the power as long as the electronical stuff such as stability control, launch control among others are optimised and properly set up...

Finally lets see how much i love the car, since 14 years ago Bugatti launched the most powerful car ever.... the EB110..but at the end of the day the car doesnt bring any excitement to the driver....if the Veyron doesnt bring any excitement either, i wont like the car too much although it develops 1000 bhp

I dont think anyone questioned Mclaren's manufacturers claims when it came out. Their claims were just as wild as Bugattis are now. The bar has been set higher, move on. When its proven that this car can hit 200mph in 14 seconds you will live with it. Is it that hard to believe?

The immense torque of this car will help it to be launched towards 200mph in no time. The difference between this and the Mclaren is that the Mclaren used its lack of downforce and streamlined body to hit that speed so quickly.

[w0n]

.....i just can't wait until TN and JC get their hands on it, i wonder if tiff can make it oversteer..hahahaha :D

[Darkel]

Molsheim ... that's only 113km away from here and you know what that means 8)

[yg60m]

I didn't have a doubt, I don't see why VW would have spend something like 800.000.000 € on developpment to cancell it ....

[Darkel]

And the factory seems to be more than ready, there were enough articles in the newspapers here ...

[DeMoN]

JC is going to have a BIG section saying how wonderful 1000 hp is... i really hope he gets it this season!

[sentra_dude]

Firslty...i see a bit exagerated and optimists its acceleration and maximum speed since it needs the McLarens half of the time for reaching the 320 km/h and i see impossible this goal....besides....the maximum speed reach depends much more on the cars aerodinamics rather than the power itself no matter how much power the car develops....finally...i think its possible to get a drivable car regardless the power as long as the electronical stuff such as stability control, launch control among others are optimised and properly set up...

Finally lets see how much i love the car, since 14 years ago Bugatti launched the most powerful car ever.... the EB110..but at the end of the day the car doesnt bring any excitement to the driver....if the Veyron doesnt bring any excitement either, i wont like the car too much although it develops 1000 bhp

I dont think anyone questioned Mclaren's manufacturers claims when it came out. Their claims were just as wild as Bugattis are now. The bar has been set higher, move on. When its proven that this car can hit 200mph in 14 seconds you will live with it. Is it that hard to believe?

The immense torque of this car will help it to be launched towards 200mph in no time. The difference between this and the Mclaren is that the Mclaren used its lack of downforce and streamlined body to hit that speed so quickly.

When VW first released those figures (the 0-200mph in 14sec or 0-300km/h in 13s), there was a huge discussion about how they were impossible...

No, McLaren's claims weren't just as wild, they were just much faster than any other roadcar. The Veyron's times don't make sense, especially considering that the McLaren F1 still has a better power to weight ratio.

F1: 1140kg (2510lb) & 627hp
~1.8hp/kg (3.9lb/hp)

Veyron: 1900kg (4180lb)& 1001hp
~1.9hp/kg (4.1lb/hp)

Not what I would call a huge advantage...yes, the Veyron has more torque for the weight, and it has AWD, and it has 7 speeds, and newer tires, but that is not going to cut the 0-200mph time in half.

The Veilside Skyline R33 that runs 0-186mph in around 13.5s has over 1300hp and weighs under 1100kg...even with that hp and slicks it still wouldn't be able to pull 200mph in 14sec, so how the fuck can a 1900kg roadcar with 300 less hp do it?

So yes, it is very hard for me to believe this car will hit 200mph in 14sec...if it does, then great, but it is near impossible.

[number77]

there was probably a conversion error. maybe this person meant 300km/h which is like 180-ish miles an hour. also remember the transmission differences. not only is the bugatti's 7 gears, it shifts alot quicker. and i don't know if any of you guys know about cars but the answer to this whole problem lies in the specs. it will do the time bugatti has put out. i don't want to be the parent to hold everyones hands to show them. you have to learn about how engines work and how to properly analyze specifications before you just say this car can do that and that car can't.

[yg60m]

When VW first released those figures (the 0-200mph in 14sec or 0-300km/h in 13s), there was a huge discussion about how they were impossible...

No, McLaren's claims weren't just as wild, they were just much faster than any other roadcar. The Veyron's times don't make sense, especially considering that the McLaren F1 still has a better power to weight ratio.

F1: 1140kg (2510lb) & 627hp
~1.8hp/kg (3.9lb/hp)

Veyron: 1900kg (4180lb)& 1001hp
~1.9hp/kg (4.1lb/hp)

Not what I would call a huge advantage...yes, the Veyron has more torque for the weight, and it has AWD, and it has 7 speeds, and newer tires, but that is not going to cut the 0-200mph time in half.

The Veilside Skyline R33 that runs 0-186mph in around 13.5s has over 1300hp and weighs under 1100kg...even with that hp and slicks it still wouldn't be able to pull 200mph in 14sec, so how the fuck can a 1900kg roadcar with 300 less hp do it?

So yes, it is very hard for me to believe this car will hit 200mph in 14sec...if it does, then great, but it is near impossible.

Indeed I think that those claims are old and need to be revised, at that time, the Veyron was supposed to be 1500 kg heavy :wink: Now it will be closer to 1900-2000 kg so the power/weight ratio is equal to the Mclaren one and even if the torque is more important, I doubt it will beat it by 8 sec for the 0-300 km/h. (22 sec for the Macca).

[Fleischmann]

wow...it's ready...the fastest car in the world!! Can't wait till they test it at Nardo :D

Yeah, I guess they overestimated the preformance. 0-60 in 3secs...I can easily believe that (enormous power+AWD), but the claimed 0-200 is just exaggerated. As already pointed out by a few members, there is now way it can be that much faster then the McLaren F1.

[adamk24]

I have been following this car sence I first heard of it in its infancy all those years ago. At the time, I was just learning about cars, and I very much 'grew up' so to speak around watching the veyron take shape. However, the more I learned about cars, the more I learned the fun isnt in the numbers, its in the drive, and I lost interest in the veyron. But, with that kind of power it would still be a blast, so heres what I have to say.

First off your info is out dated. The Veyron will not be the fastest car ever built, seeing as its top speed will be electronically limited to 238 MPH. At that speed it is bested by both the Mclaren F1 (241) and the Konigziegg (239.3) <--(as tested by CAR magazine)

Mclaren proved 13 years ago that we had the technology to make a 240 mph road car with increadable acceleration and everything youd want from a daily driver (sans radio). That was 13 years ago, so I do no doubt the veyron could go faster, but for whatever reason, they determined that its aerodynamics was not that fitting of a 250 mph car. :cry:

Also, the claims of 14 second 200mph is not very realistic. True in higher top speed situations, wieght does not matter as much as power and aerodynamics, but the F1 has a similar drag ratio to the veyron, and it isnt even close despite being alot ligher and not too far off on power. True the torque is almost double in the veyron, but it would not be enough to half the time.

But anyway....
wonder if tiff can make it oversteer..hahahaha

:lol: I guarentee he will try :lol: :mrgreen:

[aks]

hope the news is real, taken its bloody time!!

will VW be able to make money by only selling 300 cars? they'd have to be pretty expensive! :twisted:

[yg60m]

I read an interview of the Bugatti Chairman Thomas Bscher and he confirmed that the car would go to 400 km/h, no limit to 238 mhp. But it's true that accelerations are a bit "optimistics" !
BTW, when did CAR tested the Koenigsegg to 239 mhp ??? :shock:

[dons5]

welladamk24 i wouldnt say its bested by the MacF1 cause the Mac f1 that hit 240.1 or whatever it was had its redline raised by 300 rpm

[adamk24]

welladamk24 i wouldnt say its bested by the MacF1 cause the Mac f1 that hit 240.1 or whatever it was had its redline raised by 300 rpm

Well Im not sure what your saying, but I have a video of the F1 going 241.6 mph.....


I read an interview of the Bugatti Chairman Thomas Bscher and he confirmed that the car would go to 400 km/h, no limit to 238 mhp

How long ago was this. Because I first heard of its electronic limit on 5th gear, when tiff said the F1 retains its title because of the limit. Then later I read an article talking about why they decided to govern the speed. This was all in the last 6 months, so maybe they have changed their decision just recently :|

[yg60m]

It was 1 month ago, an interview in a french magazine. Thomas Bscher himself said it and I suppose he knows what he talks about.
In fact I read about this limit too (in Autocar or another mag. ) but it was never confirmed by Bugatti and their official claims are always the same, even on the Bugatti stand at Paris and by the chairman, so ...

[dons5]

the rev limiter was raised 300 rpm to attain that top speed

[jamberl]

Maybe I missed it, but did that article say anything about price?

I was beginning to think this vehicle would never see the light of day.

[racer_f50]

sure hope its not a total failure once its produced, the Bugatti name needs a good revival after the EB110.
i also can't wait for 5th Gear and Top Gear to get their hands on one, the look on Jeremy's face would have to be even more scared than when he drove the Enzo :twisted:

[DUNKiNUTS]

McLaren F1 will rule forever 0X the only car that could come close it the CCR

[tigerx]

^screw them both^ where's my CGT.

top speed= useless shit.

[DUNKiNUTS]

^screw them both^ where's my CGT.

top speed= useless shit.

Shit nothing can handle those cars, look at the times. 1/4 mile is useless, its what they can pull coming down the home stretch that really matters. To quote the world's worst movie EVER, winnings winning.

[666fast]

I'm kind of split when it comes to the Veyron. I like it because it's obscenely powerfull and it also looks pretty good. Especially in that dark blue/ black combo.
I also think it's a bit of an abomination. LOL There was no reason to restore the Bugatti name. Only Ettore Bugatti himself knew how to build a proper Bugatti automobile.
The revival and release of the EB110 was a failure. I won't be surprised if this heads in the same direction. Also, for VW to be doing this is pretty dumb. They have made so many mistakes with their current lineup, they are losing money hand over fist. Pheaton??? WHY DID YOU BUILD THAT? Incentives on new Golfs and whatnot just to get people to even be interested. They were better off reshaping their brand and image than spending millions on the R&D of the Veyron.
I wish them the best of luck, but I do believe it'll be a failure. As cool as it is, it's a monumental waste of time for VW. They have other things they need to worry about.

As for it's performace, we'll see! LOL Just because the McLaren couldn't do what VW is claiming the Veyron can do, doesn't mean it can't happen. I agree that the claims are a bit out there, especially the 0-200MPH in 14 seconds bit. I won't believe that untill I see it.
Top Speeds are not very important. It's cool to say that "My car does 240MPH though) I think the Veyron will beat the McLaren in top speed. At least I hope so. Too bad Ferrari let politics get in the way with the Enzo. It was designed to break the 250mph barrier. It wouldn't have been the first to do so though. Dauer 962, Sledgehammer Vette to name a few.

So, in short. Veyron = good looking, powerfull, waste of time and resources

[sentra_dude]

welladamk24 i wouldnt say its bested by the MacF1 cause the Mac f1 that hit 240.1 or whatever it was had its redline raised by 300 rpm

The Veyron is not even out yet and you are already arguing that the F1 is or isn't faster? Why?

And it wasn't 300rpm, it was raised by 1000rpm!

[adamk24]

The Veyron is not even out yet and you are already arguing that the F1 is or isn't faster? Why?

And it wasn't 300rpm, it was raised by 1000rpm!

Im just going off the information that I have. I mean I have heard from multiple places that the veyron would in fact be limited. If this was all made up, which I find hard to believe, then I wonder why so many people jumped at saying it. (car and driver, road and track, tiff from 5th gear).
Also I dont know what you guys are talking about refering to the top speed test of the F1, but it was an unmodified Mclaren, per the OEM top speed rules that clocked that speed. Raising the rev. limit would make it no longer factory spec. So I dont see why they would do that.

[yg60m]

They would do that to reach 240 dude :wink:
And the car used for the record had a GTR engine without limiter :wink:

[bmwmpower]

[quote=So, in short. Veyron = good looking, powerfull, waste of time and resources[/quote]

yes, :D

[dons5]

yg60m did u say the MAc F1 that hit 240 add no rev limiter?

[chest3r]

After so much discussion about the problems in the development of the Veyron, finally we have a car.....or not !! I can only believe when I'll see the TG test :lol:

This car is like a monster IMO. 4 turbos ? :roll: A W16 engine in it ?? :roll: The Enzo doesn't need nothing that to be the best supercar is the world 8)

And with so much problems in the development, I wouldn't trust in the car very much. :?

[dons5]

wow i knew a tottally normal Mac F1 didnt hit 240, but i think the reg ones does it 231

[AlienDB7]

Yes, the Veyron is in production, but how many seconds or minutes it'll last in the hands of Tiff or Jeremy before falling into pieces?

[dons5]

see i knew it
it hits 231, and 240 with limiter removed, so really it hits 231

WHERE THE HELL WHERE YOU WHEN WE HAD THAT HUGE THREAD WITH MAC F1, CGT AND ENZO?? LOL everyone though i was bullshitting

[mclaren_Gt]

0-320km/hr: 14 seconds (McLaren F1 28 seconds, F2003-GA approx 8 seconds)
7 speed twin-clutch semi-automated manual transmission (like Audi DSG and Porsche PDK)
vMax - 406km/hr
Michelin PAX 265-680 R 500 A front tyres
Michelin PAX 365-710 R 540 A rear tyres
8.0 litre W16 quad-turbocharged engine
923lb/ft torque from 2250-5000rpm
1001bhp at 6000rpm
All-wheel-drive.

this facts are awesome, but is good to see this car in action, i think this stats is not real at all, i want to see this car in action, but i think is so hard broke the legend and records of mclaren, :D

lol sorry for my english guys

[yg60m]

Yes, the Veyron is in production, but how many seconds or minutes it'll last in the hands of Tiff or Jeremy before falling into pieces?

It shouldn't fall into pieces because it is delayed to pass the VW rules for reliability, including 50.000 miles (or was it km ?) of hard testing :wink:
That's what Thomas Bscher said in an interview, he also said that, while you have to finish the reliability tests for an Enzo, in a Bugatti you won't have to and that the transmission is twice the weight of a Porsche 911 because of the torque it has to resist to :P

[dons5]

lol i guess but its not like that stock, if an enzo was shifting gears even a couple hundred rpm's higher it would increase top speed and accel also, well many cars it will, unless theres a sudden drop off in power after the redline

[KaBlookie]

wow...after 4 years of anticipation, the car is finally coming out...if it doesnt shatter numerous world records and/or cream the competition, it will be useless...they've been building it up and delaying it for four years and nothing short of an absolutely stellar supercar will be expected.

i love it...would never buy one, but would love to see it in action. *cough*Top Gear*cough*

[jamberl]

To a large extent this car seems pointless. With all that power and weight, it probably wont be much fun to drive, and if its really expensive its going to be a disaster. We all know how good the Mac F1 is, but it was so expensive when it came out that it didnt sell nearly as well as they thought it would.

For Bugatti's sake I hope this car succeeds, but I doubt it.

[neilo63]

Like everybody else ill believe it when i see it and IF~! i see it... ill hope it wont be an ultra POS whale of a thing that its turning out to be ... remove 2 turbos, remove 1 tonne and make it handle and ill be happy. :mrgreen:

[numerouno]

Well, I gotta admit that I hate the car's looks :oops: and really doubt if it would be nimble enough to keep up with the likes of Enzo and CGT on racing tracks (specially the twistier ones)

[mindgam3]

see i knew it
it hits 231, and 240 with limiter removed, so really it hits 231

WHERE THE HELL WHERE YOU WHEN WE HAD THAT HUGE THREAD WITH MAC F1, CGT AND ENZO?? LOL everyone though i was bullshitting

lol, bullshit, thts like saying the sl55 amg and many amg's can only do 155 because thts what their limiter enforces them to do, it doesent show the true potential of the engine when they all blatantly can do over 200.
Either way the macca whips the enzos top speed, limiter or no limiter ;)

as for the veyron, i think this top gear article sums it up nicely. especially the last comment ;)


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[DMbaseball1604]

yeah, the F1 isnt limited by any means..the Enzo is limited in way by aeroydynamics but for more downforce for going faster around the track...whereas the other cars are electronically limited..b/c of the gay govt or political parties or whatever..

[sentra_dude]

Im just going off the information that I have. I mean I have heard from multiple places that the veyron would in fact be limited. If this was all made up, which I find hard to believe, then I wonder why so many people jumped at saying it. (car and driver, road and track, tiff from 5th gear).
Also I dont know what you guys are talking about refering to the top speed test of the F1, but it was an unmodified Mclaren, per the OEM top speed rules that clocked that speed. Raising the rev. limit would make it no longer factory spec. So I dont see why they would do that.

Well, anything could change between a prototype and a production model, they could decide to put an even stricter limiter on, like say only 220mph, or they could decide to leave it unlimited, you just don't know. So it is kind of pointless to compare them IMO. Once they release a production version of the Veyron...then we can compare them.

[coloradosilver]

If this car can honestly produce the 1000+ hp claims and they can get the gearing right, along with the aerodynamics, I would have no problem believing that this car is capable of 250+ mph. Handling and stability on the other hand, might be a bit dicy.

[sentra_dude]

^^^I agree. The topspeed claims are definitely within reach...and if they really wanted to I bet they could go quite a bit higher than 252mph. Its just the acceleration claims that don't make any sense to me.

[jorge]

I also have doubts about the acceleration figures, but after all the car has 1000 hp.
I think that above 100 mph or so the Veyron is gonna be like a rocket.

[jamberl]

They are discussing about Veyron also on other boards:
"The Bugatti Veyron was one of the topics I discussed with folks at Nardo end of september. From a source close to the project, the Bugatti Veyron is facing 3 problems:

Aerodynamic is not very good. Reaching 400 km/h request a lot of power.

Tire: Michelin is not able to produce a safe tire which last more than a few laps at full speed at Nardo

Piech: Since Ferdinand Piech has left the project, this is a battleground of internal political wars. Everybody blaming everybody for the delay."

But, this might be more hearsay than anything else.

The tire part sounds feasible. Wouldnt surprise me if they could only get the tires to last a few laps.

[yg60m]

They are discussing about Veyron also on other boards:
"The Bugatti Veyron was one of the topics I discussed with folks at Nardo end of september. From a source close to the project, the Bugatti Veyron is facing 3 problems:

Aerodynamic is not very good. Reaching 400 km/h request a lot of power.

Tire: Michelin is not able to produce a safe tire which last more than a few laps at full speed at Nardo

Piech: Since Ferdinand Piech has left the project, this is a battleground of internal political wars. Everybody blaming everybody for the delay."

But, this might be more hearsay than anything else.

The tire part sounds feasible. Wouldnt surprise me if they could only get the tires to last a few laps.

Everything is plausible and was partly confirmed by Thomas Bscher. The problem for this speed is that the Veyron is short and bulbous with short overhangs and it is easier to get better aerodynamics/stability with a long car (just look at the Maserati MC 12 overhangs), in fact it is more a shape than a technical car, opposite to the Enzo where aerodynamic dictate forms.
Concerning tyres, it seems obvious that such speeds can be reach for a long time, just look at McLaren F1's tyres after the speed record on an British track (by Tiff Needell), it was "only" 200 mph and they were in bad shape :?
Internal wars, this is not a surprise, Piech had a strong caracter and it was his project so, its successor inherits from something he certainly didn't want to ...

In the last Thomas Bscher (Bugatti's chairman) interview I also read that :
- as every manufacturer has a tolerance of 5% on engine power, for the Veyron it would be 50 bhp so they will have an average power of 1060 bhp so they will be sure that the 1001 bhp will be reach for every car produced.
- the target speed is 400 km/h (250 mph) and not 406 km/h as firstly claimed. To grow from 400 to 405 they would need 60 bhp more. For now, the speed during tests is 365-370 km/h without any problem.
- the weight is currently 1950 kg but they hope to reduce it to 1850 kg (not far from a Ferrari 575 M or a Lamborghini Murcielago). For example, they lowered the weight of seats from 50 to 26 kg.
- the price will be 1.000.000 € (without taxes), they were tempted to increase it because of the price of developpment and delays but finally they will respect the announced price (but he said they won't win or loose money on this car)
- Dealy are due to VW qualities standards, for example, they have to reproduce 3 or 4 times the 50.000 km high speed test. They want to reduce NHV too.
- They had to study a special fuel pomp.
- the gearbox itself cost the price of a VW Phaeton.
- tyres should last 6000 to 8000 kms
- the production target is 150.

[jamberl]

They're only making 150 cars? How can they recover their money from that :?

[yg60m]

That's what he said ... I think that seing the Mclaren numbers, 150 seems reasonable. The initial number being 300 if I remember well.

[mindgam3]

i'm pretty sure coolings been a problem on the car too what with the massive engine and turbos.

Whatever happens id like to see it finally in production although i doubt its gonna be the car everyone hoped.

Acceleration in a straight line should be unreal though

[sndr]

Well i found some photo's of the veyron that was making a couple of test laps they where recently made

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6495/11526.th.jpg (http://img62.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img62&image=11526.jpg)http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7665/11528.th.jpg (http://img62.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img62&image=11528.jpg)
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1239/11529.th.jpg (http://img62.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img62&image=11529.jpg)http://img62.exs.cx/img62/4248/11530.th.jpg (http://img62.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img62&image=11530.jpg)

[jordanmelcon]

What I really want to know is why a Twin Turbo R32 Golf can top 200 mph without serious stability issues, but the Veyron has been postponed YEARS because of stability issues when it has a whole company of engineers and a disgusting budget behind it.

[jordanmelcon]

"Bugatti is not a "proper" car company right now...they are essentially just a brand name set forth by VW for image. All of their executives are essentially VW/Audi executives. "


Sorry if I was unclear, I was referring to the VW/Audi group as the massive support behind the Veyron project.

[jamberl]

What I really want to know is why a Twin Turbo R32 Golf can top 200 mph without serious stability issues, but the Veyron has been postponed YEARS because of stability issues when it has a whole company of engineers and a disgusting budget behind it.

The veyron isnt going just for 200mph- it is going for 240+
As you get faster, drag increases exponentially, and I imagine things get a great deal more complicated in general.

If it was easy, then everybody would be making cars capable of 250mph!

[Sm@ck]

I like this car, and I want to see it on the road. I dont care if it has 1001hp, or less. I dont even care if it cracks 400 k/mh. I think it will be a great addition to the "current supercars". Even though it will compete with the SLR, in the crown for the "Super Gran Tourer" class. (I just invented that class, clever me eh?)

[PeleProdigyGTO]

'Design and technological concept have finally become reality in the Veyron model’s final form and will be available from the beginning of 2004 as a strictly limited edition of just 300 cars. Technologically futuristic and packed with creative engineering, the first Bugatti of the 21st century has arrived."

Doesn't this prove that it's either old news and it just didn't happen or that it's a straight-up hoax? Note they said available at the beginning of 2004. HMMMMMMM.

[aarhead]

even though i would love to see the stig take this car around the track, the car has too many flaws to be considered a competitor against the Zonda or the Koenigsegg. First of all, its way too heavy, and second, its not aerodynamically sound. thats why its taken so long to go into production. they went strait for style and then went to seeing if it could be stable at high speeds. Dont get me wrong, I love the looks of it, i love that it has over 1000hp, I even love the EB 110. I guess i well have to wait to see what jeremy clarkson has to say about it.

[BADMIHAI]

I guess Bugati will keep up with its tradition of producing "the fastest lorries in the world". :mrgreen:

[graywolf624]

According to this months road and track the veryon is still slated for fall 2005 and they director has had the test car up to 230 before it started to get unstable.

[HeilSvenska]

"the fastest lorries in the world"

Wasn't that the Bentley's job?

Anyways, I wish the Bugatti didn't cause all the hype before it actually put the Veyron into production. And from what I hear, the Koenigsegg CCR will remain the fastest production car right now.

i well have to wait to see what jeremy clarkson has to say about it.

Well he certainly didn't like Parmigiani Fleurier's €200000 Bugatti watch. Which is built like an engine apparently. The watch requires a separate and elaborate adjusting tool just to wind it.
http://www.lacotedesmontres.com/detail/bugattiFleurier/montre-Bugatti-Parmigiani-Fleurier_face.jpg

But knowing Clarkson, he'll love it. It's vulgar as vulgar can get.

[Wutputt]

But knowing Clarkson, he'll love it. It's vulgar as vulgar can get.
Actually he didn't like it (if I remember correctly). It was on TG one or two episodes ago.

[callen]

Fall of 05 seems a reasonable date for completion. i dont think there is any way this car is going to hit 200 mph in 14 seconds. 6 seconds of the time of the ferrari F1? impossibly, nearly half the time of the almighty Macca? not nearly.i expect it to do it in 24 seconds or so, and it will not "thrust" to 250mph like a jet plane as this article says it will. I expect it to lose its battle with the wind by 190mph or so, but still a very serious machine, lets hope it lives up to the hype, its gonna be a tough one to live down if it doesnt.

edit: top speed of 242 seems reasonable in my eyes.

[Sir_GT]

It'll never work.

Its too heavy, and the aerodynamics are poor.

So what if it has 1001 horsepower. Quadcam turbo? Imagine the weight of the engine alone, then throw in the weight of the special DSG and the weight of the transmission to hold the power. Then the weight of the chassis, the body shell, the seats, the brakes, etc. etc. etc.

I could go on and on.

Honestly, for a car to "rocket" to the speed they're claiming, it has to be somewhat shaped like an F1 car in order for the wind resistance to be kept to an absolute minimum while downforce to a maximum. The bugatti is shaped like a thick turd, and has the same aerodynamic qualities as such.

The only way it would be possible for it to reach the claimed speed while retaining the shape is to build the ENTIRE thing out of carbon fibre. Including the nuts, bolts, cylinder heads, turbos, exhaust, transmission, gearbox, seats, chassis, body, hell even the steering wheel and it's mechanisms should be in CF as well. But even then, the shape would cause lift at high speed anyway, making it impossible to transfer the power onto the road. And with everything built out of CF, it'll surely cost much much much more than GBP800,000.

Mark my words: The Veyron will be the biggest blunder in the history of automobiles.