Jeremy vs Tiff's take on the McLaren SLR

[evoWalo]

I just finished watching Tiff's much delayed review on the SLR and found it a bit boring as compared to Jeremy's review on it. Jeremy had more data to convey than Tiff. While Tiff didnt say much at all.

What I liked most about Tiff's segment was the feature on McLaren's new factory, how a perspective buyer would go through when customizing his car and how he compared the SLR to the F1.

[antonioledesma]

JC and TN points of view are very different. As a presenter JC has more of that sparkle that attracts ppl. I believe he's more of a person that talks by the guts, the heart.
TN has a technical point of view, a less vulgar display of enthusiasm.

JC knows he can't drive like TN, and replaces that lack of talent with a more humoristic sense

but... it's my perspective, so many of you will have some other ideas

[sentra_dude]

Well, considering JC is pretty much useless for getting a real review...I think Tiff's review was a lot better. Whatever JC says is usually just whatever is on his mind at the time, plus he can't drive nearly as well as Tiff. :P :D 8)

Tiff's review was a lot more exciting IMO, especially with the great drifts. :twisted:

[antonioledesma]

Tiff is just boring in my opinion....JC may not review the car as well, but he's far more interesting. All Tiff ever does is drift every car...but that's only interesting for about...5 seconds.

Top Gear>5th Gear

almost on the spot.
As everso says, JC has better reviews, more fun
and tiff sometimes is boring, after seeing him doing the same tricks for years.

[evoWalo]

Tiff's exciting in his own way but in this review he looked so bored. He must be thinking to himself that the SLR's crap as compared to the F1.

[sentra_dude]

Tiff is just boring in my opinion....JC may not review the car as well, but he's far more interesting. All Tiff ever does is drift every car...but that's only interesting for about...5 seconds.

Top Gear>5th Gear

And JC just spouts off crap for the whole review...yes he's amusing, but he's also a wind-bag, with surprisingly little knowledge of cars considering his job.

5th Gear also has VBH...:P

[dutchmasterflex]

Tiff is just boring in my opinion....JC may not review the car as well, but he's far more interesting. All Tiff ever does is drift every car...but that's only interesting for about...5 seconds.

Top Gear>5th Gear

And JC just spouts off crap for the whole review...yes he's amusing, but he's also a wind-bag, with surprisingly little knowledge of cars considering his job.

5th Gear also has VBH...:P

I agree that JC is a wind bag.. somewhat amusing i guess... Tiff really makes you feel like you're driving the car how it should be...

Tiff Needell > *

[graywolf624]

tiff always looks like its about the love of the cars.

Clarkson is fun.. but when I watch a tiff review.. its like im watching a review as I would do it.

[skituner]

its hard to pick one
i love jc humor but i think hes getting soft in his old age(likin merc) and tiff is just all about the car

[aks]

Well, considering JC is pretty much useless for getting a real review...I think Tiff's review was a lot better. Whatever JC says is usually just whatever is on his mind at the time, plus he can't drive nearly as well as Tiff. :P :D 8)

Tiff's review was a lot more exciting IMO, especially with the great drifts. :twisted:

if i wanted to by a car i'd listen to Tiff, but if i'm jus watchin the review for fun then i prefer Jeremy because of his humour, i love it! :D

5th Gear also has VBH... :P

hell yeah!!! if only Top Gear had their own resident chick reviewer that could drive as well as VBH :wink:

[HoboPie]

JC is certainly more entertaining, but the thing is, don't try to actually take anything away from the show because whatever he says is useless.

He isn't a terrible driver, but he doesn't really have the ability to judge the strengths or limits of the cars he reviews that we care about.

[DeMoN]

I liked TIffs better, not only because he drove the car as it should be, but because I got to see the factory that is responsible for the baby in my sig!

[CMonakar]

The most disappointing thing about Tiff's review was that he spent disproportionate amount of time talking about how the SLR power slides and made just a few comments on how it cornered without breaking traction. Who cares how the SLR power slides?! I don't think anybody in their right mind would buy such an expensive and sophisticated car to drift around a track like a cheap American hot rod. His review reminds me of old JC reviews: lots of flash with little substance.

[HeilSvenska]

What I liked most about Tiff's segment was the feature on McLaren's new factory, how a perspective buyer would go through when customizing his car and how he compared the SLR to the F1.


The Woking Facility is simply brilliant. Did you notice how there are no doors actually on the side of the building? You have to use a special elevator. (or at least they made it seem)

As for Jeremy v. Tiff, Jeremy is far more superior. Honestly no matter how good Tiff's driving may be, they both arrived at the same conclusion, but Jeremy made it very interesting while as Tiff was...typically being Tiff. Who's the Honourary Doctor at Brunel University?

[Pokiou]

i reckon JC is the best .. he can drive and he can review or else he wouldnt havea huge audience on tv watching... tiff might have raced a LEMANS car and all but jc is better now doubts about it.

[adamk24]

JC is never affraid to slam a car when there is something about it he doesnt like. I LOVE this because in america, im so sick of everycar being "pretty good" and then some cars "really good". ..... Damn it if something sucks for its catagory let me know! If its an overpriced slow piece of shit, tell me! And it doesnt have to be that it is a shit car, just that everything else in that catagory kicks its ass. Hell if one car is better than all others, that just means that the rest suck now. :twisted:
Maybe im a little harsh on cars, but thats just the way I feel...

[mrpushrod]

Clarkson is certainly the more entertaining to watch but isn't quite so informative as Tiff. You can tell Tiff is/was a racing driver as he is more precise in how the car handles than Clarkson. Saying that, Tiff's item on the SLR wasn't his best effort and for a proper review, I'd read evo magazine anyway!

[mindgam3]

tiff knows what hes talking about regarding the handlind and feel but doesent critisise as much which IMO is a bad thing.

JC does critisise which is good but also tells us his gut feeling about the car. In tht respect hes more like me or you reviewing a car and i think you need to have both reviews to get a better overall picture of the car they're reviewing

[Darkel]

Well, I only saw a few 5th gear reviews but I can say that I prefer TG, mostly because of the entertaining part whereas Tiff is always talking and talking and laughing like a little kid (I remember the CL65 AMG test in Monaco, can't watch it to the end )
I repeat that I only saw a FEW 5th gear so I'm probably not very objective

[RC45]

Tiff is a consummate driving professional... Immensely valuable to the target audience - equivalent to The Charlie Rose Show & The Wall Street Journal.

JC is an over-publicized windbag with an outdated Kevin Keegan hairdo and ZERO value to add to the world as we know it... pure entertainment sold to the unwashed masses - equivalent to The Jerry Springer Show & Trashy Tabloids.

I know which one I pay attention to - at it's not the puffed up walrus with goofy hair - I can tell you that much... :)

[N.J.]

Here, here 'RC45' - well said :)

(To everso)

"Tiff didn't like the Gallardo..."

All he said was that 1st gear was too long - 70mph! - , the damping interfers with the feedback and its not as controllable as the 911 or 360. In effect - it felt dull.







p.s

Jeremy Clarkson thought the McLaren F1 was "rubbish" while Tiff thought it was "sensational" - Who do you believe?

Besides - whats not to like? (apart from the price tag)

*0-60 = 3.2 sec
*0-100= 6.4
T/S = 241mph/391kph

Jeremy Clarkson is unreliable with his comments and changes his mind from loving a car to hating a car and vice versa all the time.

(Have a look at almost any test he does and wait 5 minutes and see if he still holds the same view)

[evoWalo]

and RC45 just hates JC because he rags on America...and the Corvette....LOL
Oh yeah now I remember. He made a jab at the leaf springs. Same technology they use on jeepneys (http://www.donmacadam.com/BigDieselJeepney_small.jpg) and AUVs (http://www.donmacadam.com/Tamaraw.jpg) here.

[RC45]

and RC45 just hates JC because he rags on America...and the Corvette....LOL

Au contraire - I dislike him because of his tabloid journalist tactics.

I have been, and always will be first inline to rag on American cars - in general they suck.. :) -- I just happen to drive one that easily runs and guns with the snobs - and that pisses them off more than it pleases me... ;)

[graywolf624]

Oh yeah now I remember. He made a jab at the leaf springs. Same technology they use on jeepneys and AUVs here.

same tech.. used far different way...
We still use wheels on modern cars..that doesnt mean they have that much in common with the the cars of the 20s.

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

Both comments are totally different as antonioledesma stated earlier....while Tiffs comments are based on a technical way and more serious, JCs comments are more inspired in some humor and some irony.....and well find out many different points of view from the JW...while some people will prefer the JCs humor, others just will prefer Tiffs technical feedbacks...IMO,....i prefer the technical comments of Tiff rather than JC way of presenting a program

[coombsie66]

JC's a comedian, and funny to watch, but would i listen to much he has to say about the dynamics of a car, how it drives etc? Well firstly if you could get a straight answer out of him nyway rather than another fucking metaphore then it would help, but i still wouldnt really listen to it.
As has been stated tiff is a better driver, and with more track experience. Did anyone see how he got on in a TVR tuscan (the older race car version not the new one) he entered as a guest on one of the races, ive seen these cars live and they are beasts to contoll, and tiff was right up there from the off. Oh, without powersliding round every corner. :wink:
He knows powerslides sell him to the masses, and im sure its bloody good fun! I always get kicks out of watching him perform a review, talking to the camera whilst on the lockstops!

[Dave1]

Needle is a mincer. I hated him. Like someone above says all he does is power slide and that got boring five years ago. Also if the car he's reviewing isn't a BMW all he does is criticise and if its is a BMW he licks its arse. But..... I must admit I love that the review he did on the Mac F1 (when it came out). "what the owners of the Mac F1 will want to do is give it some stick". :shock:

Clarkson has a totally different approach to journalism and that is why he’s so popular. A previous poster said Clarkson doesn't know which cars handle better at the limit which is true but if you look it another way, road cars are made for everyday people not racing drivers so really Clarkson can give a better insight into how an average driver would find the car.

[Dave1]

Jeremy Clarkson thought the McLaren F1 was "rubbish" while Tiff thought it was "sensational" - Who do you believe?

Besides - whats not to like? (apart from the price tag)


You kind of answered or own question there. If my memory serves me correctly Clarkson didn't think the F1 was "rubbish" in terms of performance, far from it. He said something like he respects it but the price of the thing makes it a dream even for a millionaire. You would have to win the premium bond jackpot three times just to buy one. This is a good point but it doesn't mean that is over priced because I think Mclaren lost money on the F1 (gain a heel of a lot of PR though).

[Anonymous]

Clarkson has a totally different approach to journalism and that is why he’s so popular. A previous poster said Clarkson doesn't know which cars handle better at the limit which is true but if you look it another way, road cars are made for everyday people not racing drivers so really Clarkson can give a better insight into how an average driver would find the car.

You make a good point there, for sure most of us don't have skills even approaching Tiffs, however he certainly makes his reviews look cool just by driving he doesn't need to have the same personality as clarkson because of it. They're just different, complete opposites and probably the better for it ... BTW Dave1 you can edit your posts to include quotes rather than double posting :wink:

[mindgam3]

at least tiff has more of a entertaining character than brundle

Is there a correlation between driving skill and dullness? ;)

[Dave1]

BTW Dave1 you can edit your posts to include quotes rather than double posting


Sorry forgot about that feauture :oops:


at least tiff has more of a entertaining character than brundle


True. But only just. :lol:

Seeing that I've started a new post. I have just remebered that clarkson said that the Mac F1 "didn't excite him". Odd :?

[Anonymous]

BTW Dave1 you can edit your posts to include quotes rather than double posting


Sorry forgot about that feauture :oops:


at least tiff has more of a entertaining character than brundle


True. But only just. :lol:

Seeing that I've started a new post. I have just remebered that clarkson said that the Mac F1 "didn't excite him". Odd :?

Don't worry alot of people do :wink: Oh and as for the McLaren F1 not exciting clarkson i think he's talking more about passion more that driving excitement and speed.... remember he is a Ferrari Nut!! :P (something sbout them just excites most people including myself) Though i still think the F1 is an awesome bit of kit, and of course top notch engineering from woking :D

[Dave1]

Oh and as for the McLaren F1 not exciting clarkson i think he's talking more about passion more that driving excitement and speed.... remember he is a Ferrari Nut!! (something sbout them just excites most people including myself) Though i still think the F1 is an awesome bit of kit, and of course top notch engineering from woking


Yeah that’s a good point. I feel the same about Ferraris. I got to drive a 360 the other day at thurxton (21st birthday present). Could of gone for a Porsche 911 turbo for the same price and although it’s a faster car I didn't care it had to be the Ferrari. Superb day and I would recommend it to any petrol head. However the best part of the day wasn't driving the 360 it was driving a formula Renault on slick tyres!! Even with a 5,000rpm rev limit the thing is seriously quick. :shock:

P.S Al123, nice mini mate. :P

[mindgam3]

Oh and as for the McLaren F1 not exciting clarkson i think he's talking more about passion more that driving excitement and speed.... remember he is a Ferrari Nut!! (something sbout them just excites most people including myself) Though i still think the F1 is an awesome bit of kit, and of course top notch engineering from woking


Yeah that’s a good point. I feel the same about Ferraris. I got to drive a 360 the other day at thurxton (21st birthday present). Could of gone for a Porsche 911 turbo for the same price and although it’s a faster car I didn't care it had to be the Ferrari. Superb day and I would recommend it to any petrol head. However the best part of the day wasn't driving the 360 it was driving a formula Renault on slick tyres!! Even with a 5,000rpm rev limit the thing is seriously quick. :shock:

P.S Al123, nice mini mate. :P

i was thinking going on the one with the lambo/360 package.....

How was it? Been on any before you can compare it to? Rev or driving limits enforced?

[Anonymous]

Oh and as for the McLaren F1 not exciting clarkson i think he's talking more about passion more that driving excitement and speed.... remember he is a Ferrari Nut!! (something sbout them just excites most people including myself) Though i still think the F1 is an awesome bit of kit, and of course top notch engineering from woking


Yeah that’s a good point. I feel the same about Ferraris. I got to drive a 360 the other day at thurxton (21st birthday present). Could of gone for a Porsche 911 turbo for the same price and although it’s a faster car I didn't care it had to be the Ferrari. Superb day and I would recommend it to any petrol head. However the best part of the day wasn't driving the 360 it was driving a formula Renault on slick tyres!! Even with a 5,000rpm rev limit the thing is seriously quick. :shock:

P.S Al123, nice mini mate. :P

Cool I'd love too get the chance of a drive, i'm a bit young though :D Any pics of your drive in the 360/ formula renault BTW?? :-) Cheers for the compliment on the Mini :D Oh and glad you have an avatar now... makes it much easier to recognise members(especially new ones), oh and we won't hold your welshness against you too much :P ... enjoy, JW i haven't seen you posting before :D

[Dave1]

was thinking going on the one with the lambo/360 package.....

How was it? Been on any before you can compare it to? Rev or driving limits enforced?


Do they do a lambo and 360 package as one now? If they do go for it I had to drive a Merc SLK (told my Dad NOT to take any photos when I was driving that).

In terms of rev limits being enforced the answer is yes :( They tell you to change gear in the road cars and its electronically controlled in the single seater (you will get that wherever you go). It also depends on which instructor you get. I went out first in an MG (can't remember which one) with an instructor called "Ken" and that was poor (not the car I was surprised by that). Then I went out with a different instructor in the Merc SLK, coming to the end of the first lap the instructor said yeah good but we're not going for a Sunday drive, so I thought right then :) and started to pick up the pace (quite a lot) and he didn't say slow down. By the final lap I was carrying some serious speed into the corners and on the straight looked at the speedo and it was touching 130mph. Then I had a go in the Ferrari with another instructor and it a different story. It was quite fast doing roughly 95mph through church corner and 120mph on the straight but doing what I had just do in teh merc I wanted to go faster and change up higher up the rev range. I however did hit 6,000rpm overtaking the Porsche 911 turbo but that was a one off most changes where at about 4,000prm the 360 doesn't have a bit of torque so it wasnt't so bad. Then came the drive in the formula Renault. This was amazing, my dad used to race Formula ford and he tells me "no road car is fast" he's right. The formula Renault was just mind blowing through the bends. You can’t beat the rev limiter but trust me unless your used to driving a single seater racing car it won’t leave you unsatisfied.

I did a formula ford experience at castle combe for my 18th birthday and that was very good but not as good as thurxton, its a very slick operation (get out of one car and jump into the next) compared to castle combe and they have more cars. In terms of value for money castle combe is the best but for choice of cars thuruxton is hard to beat. Next for me will be the F1 car at malory park or I might just buy a formula ford and go testing. :P

If you can afford it, do it!! Just driving the forumla renault is worth every penny.

@AL123 Will get the pics soon there still of my dads computer. I also have an onbaord DVD of me driving will try to get that up on here when I get the time.[/quote]

[Anonymous]

@AL123 Will get the pics soon there still of my dads computer. I also have an onbaord DVD of me driving will try to get that up on here when I get the time.

Cool looking forward to seeing them! :D, in the "what you saw" section would be best when you have them :wink: