So I just went for a ride in the R35 GT-R (jesusmobile)...

[srfairladyz]

Originally Posted by RC45 Glad you made a point of checking the 80 wear rated (I believe) tyres out. Remember this point. The computer systems rely on the above noted grip to allow braking, traction and side loading at the very limits of traction to be translated into the performance you felt. This "hides" the weight - until the tyres go off, then the car will slow down as the computers are setup to keep the car at the very limit of adhesion/grip - and this grip-life-span is what the weight will affect - no getting away from this fact. We never said it wasnt fast, we simply pointed out that in order to manage the weight and apparent lack of power, the tyres must either be super-sticky (which it turns out we were right on the money) and the power is most likely higher than the claims Nissan is making (and this might also be true) - and the test cars provided for early tests were Nissan ringer - and the Nurburgring car was for sure a ringer The laws of physics are rigid and unforgiving - if you have the weight present, you have to deal with the kinetic energy you have stored up each time you try change direction/slow/accelerate - and the tyre takes the "heat" (literally) for doing this job The novelty of tyres/brakes/parts will get old vey quickly for anyone except the wealthy trying to live with car if you ever hope to exploit the potential. Which is pretty much what we have said since last year. Glad you enjoyed the car, sure its fast, but a heavy fast car is expensive to keep fast. I men, what good and how much fun is a 1 lap time-attack car

Just stop already. Your not changing any ones minds about this car. And too tell you the truth I don't think anyone is even listening anymore. . Go create a Vette thread and complain all you want about the GTR, or heavy sports cars.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by srfairladyz Just stop already. Your not changing any ones minds about this car. And too tell you the truth I don't think anyone is even listening anymore. . Go create a Vette thread and complain all you want about the GTR, or heavy sports cars.

This is a DISCUSSION forum.

I am not interested in CHANGING anyone's mind, just DISCUSSING.

I dont GIVE A CRAP if you listen - because you not listening doesnt make me incorrect, it just makes you less informed

Maybe all you want is a series of threads where all you read is people agreeing blindly and stroking each others egos and back slapping etc.

Well, sorry to say, this is not the "Yes Man Forum" - this is the "Motor World Forum".

Live with it.

[haro]

Originally Posted by srfairladyz Just stop already. Your not changing any ones minds about this car. And too tell you the truth I don't think anyone is even listening anymore. . Go create a Vette thread and complain all you want about the GTR, or heavy sports cars.

I agree with srfairladyz about this - Your not changing any ones minds about this car. And too tell you the truth I don't think anyone is even listening anymore, but it's RC45 thoughts about R35 GT-R, and no one will change them.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by haro I agree with srfairladyz about this - Your not changing any ones minds about this car. And too tell you the truth I don't think anyone is even listening anymore, but it's RC45 thoughts about R35 GT-R, and no one will change them.

Whats different? You can never change the fanboise mind -- evah... and before the R35 even went on sale the GT-R fanboise stopped listening to reason.

I bet the day the magazines stop printing the hero-worsjip articles because "the next newest thing" has come along, the fanboise will call the magazines liars and haters

Tell you what, when I get to drive the R35 I will report back and tell you what it feels like - but that still wont change the reality of what it is and how it achieves it.

I find it amusing that you all mistake my objective observations as hate This is quite far from the thruth - I am the consumate "car fan" and have drivena nd enjoyed a fair variety on the street and the track - I guess being objective is most often taken t omean "ahte" when you dont dance to the fans-tunes.

[haro]

The novelty of tyres/brakes/parts will get old vey quickly for anyone except the wealthy trying to live with car if you ever hope to exploit the potential - i dont think this is very objective because you can say it about all cars not only R35 GT-R.
Tell you what, when I get to drive the R35 I will report back and tell you what it feels like - but that still wont change the reality of what it is and how it achieves it. I will wait for your report

[RC45]

Originally Posted by haro The novelty of tyres/brakes/parts will get old vey quickly for anyone except the wealthy trying to live with car if you ever hope to exploit the potential - i dont think this is very objective because you can say it about all cars not only R35 GT-R.

Actually, that is very objective - because the GT-R is relyingon the electro-gizmos to meter out and manage the use of the available mechanical grip for you - so it's important to know and understand this in the context of the available performance.

Unlike many other vehicles that are simply lighter to reduce the stress and strain on the brakes, tyres and suspenion... Like the GT3 as an example - the consumate trackday weapon

Originally Posted by haro Tell you what, when I get to drive the R35 I will report back and tell you what it feels like - but that still wont change the reality of what it is and how it achieves it. I will wait for your report

And I will report back, objective as ever

[haro]

Actually, that is very objective - because the GT-R is relyingon the electro-gizmos to meter out and manage the use of the available mechanical grip for you - so it's important to know and understand this in the context of the available performance. (Think about Ferrari )they are doing the same as GT-R, and in the true i just understand that GT-R maybe isnt so fun to drive because electro-gizmos ruins Ferrari, so if something can ruin Ferrari than it can ruin enything

[RC45]

Originally Posted by haro (Think about Ferrari )they are doing the same as GT-R, and in the true i just understand that GT-R maybe isnt so fun to drive because electro-gizmos ruins Ferrari, so if something can ruin Ferrari than it can ruin enything

Ferrari use the techno gizmos to enhance the available performance, not manage the excess weight.

In the F-Car your tyres and brakes will cook off due to ungodly speeds reached while lapping.. the R35 will cook off the brkaes and tyres because they are being over taxed by the excess weight.

All that kinetic energy has to go somewhere....

[Woohoo]

Originally Posted by RC45 Actually, that is very objective - because the GT-R is relyingon the electro-gizmos to meter out and manage the use of the available mechanical grip for you - so it's important to know and understand this in the context of the available performance.

What's wrong with that?