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Just_me · 10-06-2004, 03:47 AM

New Ferrari F430 is 3 sec faster than 360 Modena on the testtrack

dons5 · 10-08-2004, 05:36 AM

ok u cant look at these times, the only times i will look at is if there compared back to back and the driver does around 20 - 30 laps in each car then its a fai comparison, what if one knows the other car better or is more suited to it, or that car is more suited to that particular track, or the driver jus sucks in one car cause its harder to bring to the limit but its ultimate pace is faster though harder to reach. We need F1 drivers doing this cause jus the driver alone can be the differcne of 2 - 3 seconds on a regular track, on a huge track like nurbergring like more then 10 probably

HoboPie · 10-08-2004, 09:57 AM

The guy who does the Sport Auto tests is skilled enough, especially considering how well he knows the ring.

I still think they need more time in the car though. The Enzo is apparently a difficult car to get used to for example. It doesn't provide the best feedback and on top of that it goes at a pace quicker than pretty much any other road car they test there except the Carrera GT.

I think with only a couple laps the Carrera GT would definitely get a better time than the Enzo. If they were both taken out for say 15 laps I think the Enzo would begin to creep a lot closer.

mindgam3 · 10-08-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by noliebro

does everybody here know that the FIA declared that the MC12 was not allowed to race, just said it cause it was mentioned earlier.

its taking part in the last 3 races of the FIA GT and has one its first two (i think). FIA are still considering it running next year last time i checked and it probably will

HoboPie · 10-08-2004, 02:51 PM

They came 2nd and 3rd in the first race, behind a Saleen S7R I think, but that might have been a ploy of some sort.

Then one of the MC12s won the second race.

Max Power · 10-08-2004, 03:28 PM

so nobody has tested 'the' track car on the best track.......make's u wonder who buys these Ferraris and for what better purpose than for its intended use.

dons5 · 10-08-2004, 05:22 PM

on most circuits id bet one the enzo unless it was like some kinda super twisty mickey mouse circuit

SFDMALEX · 10-08-2004, 06:46 PM

Before you can make any assumptions you have to understand Porsche and Ferrari.

Porsche make smooth handling cars.

Ferrari make snappy cars.

Nordschliefe is a big long smooth circuit. Something that suits the CGT.

A track like Monaco is for the Enzo. Its twisty and short.

We can argue all we want. But the fact is that Enzo was never timed anywere officialy.

I think, although I admit Im biased towards Ferrari, I think that Enzo would lap Nordschleife faster. It would take 3x the practice but it would lap faster just because its a more agiel car in my view.

bmagni · 10-08-2004, 06:58 PM

Nordschliefe is a big long smooth circuit. Something that suits the CGT.

A track like Monaco is for the Enzo. Its twisty and short.

i think is all the way around... as we saw in the test of nardo. the cgt lapped better than the enzo in the short twisty circuit...

SFDMALEX · 10-08-2004, 07:09 PM

Nardo? I cant see how CGT can lap nardo faster.....cant.

Max Power · 10-09-2004, 01:35 AM

these are all fake #'s........I don't know what u ppl are smoking......a Lada 2109 is faster than any Enzo around Nurburgring

sentra_dude · 10-09-2004, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX

Its complete bullshit that Ferrari is too afraid to time the Enzo at Nordschleife...

How so? Ferrari, NEVER, NEVER time their cars officialy at any track besides Fiorano. Its been that way for 50 years.

Hmmm....they should!

numerouno · 10-09-2004, 04:32 AM

Its complete bullshit that Ferrari is too afraid to time the Enzo at Nordschleife...

Yeah I agree with you Sentra, IMO the Enzo could lap around the longer 'Ring quicker than the CGT, 'cause it's straightline superiority would result in a better lap time.

SFDMALEX · 10-09-2004, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Max Power

these are all fake #'s........I don't know what u ppl are smoking......a Lada 2109 is faster than any Enzo around Nurburgring

I had a 2108

HoboPie · 10-09-2004, 11:51 AM

The Enzo is more of handful at the limit. In the recent Motortrend test they said the Enzo had the raw ability to keep up with the CGT because the differences in their test stats were academic and could easily be reversed, but the Enzo was difficult to deal with once it started sliding.

The tester actually said that the Enzo's neutral handling was usually a bonus, but the Enzo was just too much.

So I'm guessing when someone finally got comfortable with the Enzo it could probably lap a little quicker on most tracks. Though, most people will never get to that point. So it is an even more useless argument than most based around insane supercars.