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graywolf624 · 10-07-2005, 07:45 PM

here in holland we also have a 0% tax rate for ppl with a very low income, but if u work full time at minimum wage ur already above that(but then again minimum wage is a bit higher than it is in the US)

Very few people that are legal US citizens make the minimum wage (about 12000 usd a year).. Even as a 14 year old just starting working I was almost double minimum wage. Hell the managers at the local fast food joint in my state make 35000 usd a year. Granted we have a higher cos of living then the south.. Just south of where I went to college a house costs about a 1/5 of what one does here...

sadly at 12:40 am its just going to be a dream for me tonight

Meanwhile 5 hrs away It is 8 pm. Did I mention how much conference calls with the UK and sweden screw up my work hours?

Jabba · 10-07-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Hell the managers at the local fast food joint here make 35000 usd a year.

Please dont mention anything more about food

SFDMALEX · 10-07-2005, 07:52 PM

Well I work part time but I do peice work. Meaning I get paid per job. Sometimes I spend an hour on job and get paid 35$ for it. Sometimes I spend 5min and get 15$, sometimes I spend 2 hours and still get 35$.

Afaik this is not common, and I dont know anyone else who works under such "contract".

10-07-2005, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jabba

All this talk of food has given me a sudden craven for some potato wedges...sadly at 12:40 am its just going to be a dream for me tonight

no 24hr ASDA nearby then

well after a night drinking vodka i've jsut cooked sausage sandwichs for my mates before they went on their way mmmmmmm

tho i think i remmeber you're a veggie so that wouldn't make your mouth water ;lol:

RC45 · 10-07-2005, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

here in holland we also have a 0% tax rate for ppl with a very low income, but if u work full time at minimum wage ur already above that(but then again minimum wage is a bit higher than it is in the US)

Very few people that are legal US citizens make the minimum wage (about 12000 usd a year).. Even as a 14 year old just starting working I was almost double minimum wage. Hell the managers at the local fast food joint in my state make 35000 usd a year. Granted we have a higher cos of living then the south.. Just south of where I went to college a house costs about a 1/5 of what one does here...

sadly at 12:40 am its just going to be a dream for me tonight

Meanwhile 5 hrs away It is 8 pm. Did I mention how much conference calls with the UK and sweden screw up my work hours?

BUt still - at $24,000 you would be very near to 0% tax after allowable deductions - especially if you are trying to raise a family or educate yourself.

Besides which, supertax bracket in the US is 30%... a far cry from the 50 to 60% in many foreign markets.

50% tax, super expensive cars, housing, food, gasoline - and all you get to show for it is free medical and unemplyment insurance... I am still not convinced the "Social Welfare State" is not a complete crock of shit - unless you are just going to sit around and leech off the system - which such a system encourages.

graywolf624 · 10-07-2005, 09:43 PM

Choir= me..
You = preaching..

The comments were with regards gucoms comments re minimum wage.. It honestly makes things look worse then they are. Your right, at a 20000 dollar a year youll most likely pay no taxes.

SFDMALEX · 10-07-2005, 09:57 PM

Knowing quite a few people who work in the States you cant compare it to Canada.

In the States you get paid. A guy I know works as an Electronic Engineer for Kodak and makes 80 000+, his wife assitant Manager at some store makes something like 40 000+, he pays jack shit for car insurance and is building a new house, buying his kids cars and living the life.

In Canada, if your not Canadian you get paid shit no matter what you do, car insurance is rediculous, houses in Toronto have mad prices...

From what I see, in the states you can work at a walmart and you can still afford a mortgage and a car.

They like to pay there, here if its not your insurance company stealing your money and its your employer.

nthfinity · 10-07-2005, 10:22 PM

From what I see, in the states you can work at a walmart and you can still afford a mortgage and a car.

They like to pay there, here if its not your insurance company stealing your money and its your employer.

i worked for wal marts direct competitor for over 3 years, and i can tell you a few things about the inaccuracy of that statement.

under management, the highest paid employees are in the Cash Office, or Cashiers/head cashier (in my case, Service Coordinator)
i was topped off, and couldn't make any more money... 11.50/hour+.25/hr. SC premium.

basically, take home each week was about 330 after taxes

that is enough to afford car insurance, hobbies, car payment+gas,(savings for tuition) and shared rent...not enough for a mortgage. health insurance is automatically deducted.

sompe people who were at the store under the old system could make as much as 14/hour could marginally afford a singlewide/dubble wide payment, and an economy car supporting at least 1 child.

i dont really concider a dubble wide much of a mortgage, as most dont own land, but rent space.

no bonuses

RC45 · 10-07-2005, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Choir= me..
You = preaching..

The comments were with regards gucoms comments re minimum wage.. It honestly makes things look worse then they are. Your right, at a 20000 dollar a year youll most likely pay no taxes.

Yeah - I meant to quote his post not your reply to his reply

hehehe.

SFDMALEX · 10-07-2005, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by nthfinity

that is enough to afford car insurance, hobbies, car payment+gas,(savings for tuition) and shared rent...not enough for a mortgage. health insurance is automatically deducted.

Thats much more then someone who makes 11$/hour here can do

Here 11$/hour will get a person rent and food. Maybe you'll have something left for a pack of condoms, otherwise run the hospital and get some.

RC45 · 10-07-2005, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX

Originally Posted by nthfinity

that is enough to afford car insurance, hobbies, car payment+gas,(savings for tuition) and shared rent...not enough for a mortgage. health insurance is automatically deducted.

Thats much more then someone who makes 11$/hour here can do

Here 11$/hour will get a person rent and food. Maybe you'll have something left for a pack of condoms, otherwise run the hospital and get some.

But don't you get extra welfare in Canada if you spawn some kids? So in that case it's cheaper to forgo the condoms and buy a rock to smoke afterwards..

SFDMALEX · 10-07-2005, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by RC45

But don't you get extra welfare in Canada if you spawn some kids? So in that case it's cheaper to forgo the condoms and by a rock to smoke afterwards..

Yeah, something like 200$ a month.

System here is shit mate.

Here you can sit on your ass and do nothing and get to eat, sleep fuck and have a roof over your head.

All the money going to "free healthcare" and bums who feed off welfare checks.

Its so liberal its sickening.

graywolf624 · 10-07-2005, 10:40 PM

11.50 also happens to be more then double minimum wage..
Considering the tax rebates youd get under todays tax system(meaning you pay 0 in taxes) 40 hrs a week 52 days a year nets you 23920.

That sure as hell is enough for a morgage, as long as unlike your example your not a single parent paying a morgage and taking care of a kid (a seperate issue altogether). In a 2 parent home thats 40000 a year, not bad at all. Not enough for much extra and youd have to settle for a 10 year old car, but its done every day by millions of americans, its called middle class.
In a adult without child its also enough for a smaller house. You have to remember that unlike you the person would be working 40 hrs a week and there house would have a cost equal to that same rent(a morgage is over 30 years and if you dont buy the taj mahal its usually equivelent to rent in my experience).

Back in college as a single guy I lived off of 10-15k a year paying rent in an apartment so don't let anyone tell you it can't be done. Is it fun, hell no.. But ya do what ya gotta do to get by, and judging by my grandmothers stories I could live off 5 k a year and be better off then her generation.

RC45 · 10-08-2005, 02:11 PM

Hand outs take taxes..

I'd rather pay less tax than fund someone elses education

Not quite - but that's my general opinion.

graywolf624 · 10-08-2005, 04:01 PM

Don't you have some general study grants for all the students? Here the state pays you about 500€ max per month for the rent and living while you're studying. While that money hasn't been raised very much lately and studying has become more expencive very many student's have to work part time while they're studying.

Only if your a minority or your parents are below middle class. Unfortunately at the time of schooling my parents were going through a divorce and my father had the first job hed had since I was 10.. In effect we had no money since he didnt pay a dime but because it took 3 years for the divorce to finalize I got just enough aide for books (mostly thanks to a small scholarship.. My parents combined salaries even today seperate is still middle class, alone it was lower middle class. I m not far from making more then either one of them after a year and a half of work.). Though even with your 500.. that would cover books for a year.

I have to disagree with you RC. Just about the only socialist program I am for is education. Im for giving people the means to compete and construct new technology for the future.