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360modena · 06-12-2004, 07:53 AM

I dont know how far will manufacturers go with diesel engine so I really
worry for cars future. Enough is engouh Just look at BMW: 330D, 530D
are sold easily everyday and 730D aswell. Much more, Volkwagen that
name GTI a car with diesel engine.
Another example with coupe, the guy that want to buy a peugeot 406
piniifarina can buy it with an HDI motor, Opel purpose is an astra spyder
with diesel too). And now Jaguar join the club!!!!
Why not an enzo JTD (imagine 4500 rpm and engage next) what a dream

When you hear somebody talking about the car he want own, it's 90% time
a diesel car. I only have something to say to those people Wake up diesel
sucks!!!!!!
Last trip I did in Itally(two years ago), I was amazed by the increased
number of diesel on the road it weren't like that four years ago.

TT · 06-12-2004, 08:21 AM

Well in the 5 and 7 Series, especially in France or Italy, diesel sales are around 70% I think..

Sadly here in central Europe, ppl actually love diesels... for their economy, their couple and whatever else.. for sure not because of that lovely truck noise

Since you are in France, you know Turbo (sur M6)... and every time they rate a car, the major downside is usually something like... "to bad there is no diesel version so far"... crap

jon_s · 06-12-2004, 08:34 AM

What about that Audi V8 twin turboD! It did 800miles on a tank :shock:

ahmedgiyab · 06-12-2004, 12:57 PM

I think that the new BMW diesel engine is AMAZING....535d with 272bhp, 560Nm....same

horse power as the 735i....but the tourqe is a bit more.....

Now this is a super diesel engine!!! 8)

he7lius · 06-12-2004, 05:53 PM

As a student i think i have to say "bring on the diesel" cos it's cheaper and the consumption is much better.

About the revs how many of you take your car to the red line on a regular basis??

T-Bird · 06-12-2004, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by thamar

Mainly, the price per littre, that does it.
Here it's 0.25â‚¬ cheaper for diesel and you car needs less. I travel 800km's with 40 liters of diesel with ease, if i really watch it i could do 1000km's with that same 40 liters.

I really miss the torque in a NA, but I like the fact that you can rev it some more. For everyday use i prefer diesel, for the fun and joy a NA.

In the states the Diesel is very close in price to the lower grade gasoline so that really isn't the issue it's more for the fuel consumption end of it. And when you say NA do you mean Naturally Aspirated as in not forced induction? Or are you trying to say gasoline or Petroleum powered instead of Diesel?

360modena · 06-13-2004, 12:18 PM

I agree with fact that diesel is economic that's absolutly understandable
but dani_d_mas said honda got a long tradition with NA engine and it will
always be. that's right but they've just started producing diesel...
So let's have a look to my favorite everyday car ALFA ROMEO,
Last day I've talked with a seller that told me AR produce Diesel only
because people aked a lot for it. When I have a look to the amount of AR
JTD, it's about 80%. AR got a long tradition with NA engine and produce
magic motor like twin spark with an unbelievable symphony. If things
continue like that one day AR will says, hey why do we produce NA engine!!
look at the stats and they probably will stop building it. those guys are now
here for businesss, time changes, they don't care about history.
This scenario is may be far from our future (I hope so) but why does it
never happen.

I think we should consider it.

Garretts_turbo · 06-13-2004, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by T-Bird

In the states the Diesel is very close in price to the lower grade gasoline so that really isn't the issue it's more for the fuel consumption end of it.

yeah, i believe there is less than 25 cent difference between regular grade gas and deisel. i hardly see any deisel vehicles in this part of michigan. what i do see, however, are more and more hybrid civics and prius'. i see hybrid cars becoming increasingly popular. sigh.....

T-Bird · 06-13-2004, 11:34 PM

I see alot of Diesel trucks and the occasional TDI VW but that's about it. And Hybrid's aren't that bad my Cousin has a Hybrid Civic and it's a pretty good car especially with the transmission it has (forgot what Honda calls it) never really shifts. Also I don't know if this has been mentioned but there was a Diesel at Lemans the past two days although didn't last too long, so that be a sign of the future...

Igorionia · 06-14-2004, 06:44 AM

+ in Paris-Dakar Racing there was BMW X5 with Diesel Engine (even in Racing these engines started to use)
so...

1zippo1 · 06-14-2004, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by thamar

I really miss the torque in a NA, but I like the fact that you can rev it some more. For everyday use i prefer diesel, for the fun and joy a NA.

Indeed, that's how I would put it too. People ain't stupid like you claim to buy diesels, not at all. Modern diesels are far from bad. But they certainly aren't as much fun as a good petrol engine. However, fun isn't a priority for most people. I like driving and I prefer a petrol engine but that doesn't mean I'll take a petrol engine if a diesel is far cheaper.

jakaracman · 06-14-2004, 09:05 AM

I think the biggest question is: are the diesely really that bad for health (exhaust)??? Some researcehs show that the diesel exhaust causes cancer, other do not. I guess it's future depends on these things ...

SPEEDKILLAR · 06-14-2004, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by jakaracman

I think the biggest question is: are the diesely really that bad for health (exhaust)??? Some researcehs show that the diesel exhaust causes cancer, other do not. I guess it's future depends on these things ...

Diesels are bad for health but gasoline is bad for nature, and when nature is bad, it will be bad for th ppl, it stays the same, only badder.

How many times did I wrote bad

SPEEDKILLAR · 06-14-2004, 09:29 AM

And BTW guys do you know that now you van have an exhaust tuning for diesels to make'em sound more sportier.

1zippo1 · 06-14-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by SPEEDKILLAR

And BTW guys do you know that now you van have an exhaust tuning for diesels to make'em sound more sportier.

True and I've heard enough to say that you can't compare the sound with a petrol engine. Even with an exhaust tuning it doesn't sound as nice as a petrol engine with a good exhaust. Much nicer, that's for sure, but not as nice as a petrol engine.