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Old 11-25-2003, 01:27 PM   #16
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A system I have specced up. Need to add the Projector (if you still want it)

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Old 11-25-2003, 01:35 PM   #17
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Alrighty, here goes my bid for the system. All prices in pounds, but converted from American dollars so may be some rounding.



First off, display:
CINERAMA 3 x 17 inch LCD Flatscreen - £1,800
16 ms response time
3840 X 1024 resolution (3 x (1280 x 1024))

Reasoning: £600 less than the 19 inch equivalent with arguably little loss in screen space; 4 display Grand Canyon model outrageously expensive (> £5000) and requires Workstation card to run

Main Rig:
l Mach 3.8 Extreme
3.8 GHz P4 Extreme Edition (Vapor Cooling)
950 MHz System Bus
2 GB RAM at 533 MHz
1 Terabyte 7200 RPM storage (Serial ATA I believe, possibly ATA-133 though)
Matrox Parhelia 256 MB w/ Performance Booster
8 x DVD-RW
3" x 3.5" Blue LCD system display (in case) for temperature monitoring etc
2 x FireWire 400
8 x USB 2.0
56 k Modem and Gigabit ethernet
Professional ADI1985plus 6-channel audio
High definition composite video out
550 W Power supply
Custom Vapor Compression Cooling Case
Custom logo and engraving
Wireless keyboard and mouse

Reasoning: The ultimate store bought PC by far. No SCSI because they only offer SCSI 320 drives for approximately £600--the slight performance increase as a scratch drive does not justify the added expense over regular IDE. Parhelia has the best image quality in the business and has three monitor output on-board (meaning no requirement for a dualhead card + pci card for the third screen). Refrigerated overclock is virtually faultless and offers ultimate perfomance for encoding (1800 CPU specmark vs. a mere 1200 for a 3.0 GHz HT P4 ). Firewire 800 available if you own the camera, but an extra £40 for a relatively unnoticeable speed hike over Firewire 400. In-case screen likely useless but very cool looking . Engraved logo is made of polished stone (quartz, granite, etc.) and can have up to two lines of text or your signature placed in it for a nominal fee--ultimate personalization! 6 channel professional audio for maximum quality. Composite video out for perfect output to tv or other device. Only thing missing is a capture card. I leave this to your discretion, but really many solutions under £50 are available with faultless video importing. Wireless keyboard and mouse to eliminate desk clutter for maximum pimpage .

COST: £3,850 for system, £50 for video card

Total thus far: £5,700


That would be your system right there. If I was pushing right up to the £7,000 limit, I might add:
* 54 Mbit wireless ethernet for further elimination of cords (works well in my house--reaches ~25 Mbit real world speed at reasonable range)
* LCD Projector (not my strong point, although the NEC models I've used have been excellent--if a bit pricey)
* media PC--would require aforementioned wireless, but you could have a really sweet setup where you streamed video from your computer/office to your home theatre

EDIT: Apparently someone else beat me to Liebermann Inc (l computers) ops:. Anyway, specs still stand.
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:42 PM   #18
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Do you have the links as to where I might get some of that stuff from ?
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:49 PM   #19
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WOW. thats a sweet setup
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:15 PM   #20
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If you're referring to me, you want to go to http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/index.htm. Sorry for not putting that up in the first place, slipped my mind.

They do worldwide shipping apparently btw, but are based in America.

Also, I didn't put this on but it's something to consider. They offer RAM drives for Windows, meaning like instantaneous startup (< 10 seconds). I've used a workstation thus equipped and it's kind of surreal--no startup, no harddrive scratch at all! The only problem is that it costs something like $5000USD, which seems a bit pricey for what is arguably a luxury on a home system. Good luck with the search .
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:19 PM   #21
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very good and very impressed...the dowside is its not UK based....
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:23 PM   #22
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SDK: very interesting I will post my questions later for you...any links to the hardware you have suggested ?
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:32 PM   #23
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I have to admit it is a downside. Although I'm sure these guys are low volume sellers anyway, and so have customers all over the world. (They started out making workstations for digital animation if I recall correctly.)

Is it the warranty issues that bother you or more just wanting a local dealer?

If you want local you could always buy a Dell workstation. We use them in our CAD/CAM lab and they're awesome. Dual P4s, dual 18 inch LCDs, 300 gigs of storage, Parhelia, and Audigy comes to around 5200 pounds including VAT from dell.co.uk. Also an impeccable warranty since it's a professional system. I can come up with a more detailed round up if you're interested (?).

(You could also just buy the workstation and then buy the cinema screen elsewhere; there's no reason it shouldn't work.)


Edit: Just checked out SDK's system and it's pretty nice, although I've never heard of that monitor manufacturer (maybe European brand?). I would stick with the main fabs when it comes to LCDs. If someone has a good British like mum and pop store where I can configure a computer please post it--I have tons of ideas hardware wise!!!
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:43 PM   #24
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www.alienware.com


2-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support with Onsite Service
Alienware Full-Tower Case (420-Watt PS) - Cyborg Green
Enermax EG651P-VE 24P 550 Watt Power Supply
Dual Intel® Xeon Processors 3.06GHz 533MHz FSB w/ 512KB Cache
Supermicro X5DAL-TG2 - Intel E7505 Chipset Motherboard
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NVIDIA Quadro® FX 3000 256MB 8x AGP w/Dual DVI
AlienIce™ Video Cooling System - Astral Blue
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Integrated Intel Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
NEC 20" MultiSync LCD2080UX LCD - Black
NEC 20" MultiSync LCD2080UX LCD - Black
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Logitech® Cordless MX™ Duo
Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 - USB - Standard Color
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
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Subtotal: $10,597.00

ps u can get teh optional twin 30" screens if u really want to puch the budget!
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:52 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Jabba
SDK:...any links to the hardware you have suggested ?
All from one UK store http://www.overclockers.co.uk/


Originally Posted by maalox
Edit: Just checked out SDK's system and it's pretty nice, although I've never heard of that monitor manufacturer
Neovo make high end gorgeous TFT screens - http://www.neovo.com/products/S-19.htm
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:57 PM   #26
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This would be my computer of choice!

http://www.voodoopc.com/systems/rage.aspx

Fastest most powerful personal PC on the planet. Plus im sure you can get that 3 screened monitor no problem. Trust me Jabba none come close. This is the Ultimate. Plus when you configure it it automatically tells you how many pounds it will be. So shipping to the Uk will not be a problem.

Althought the Voodoo PC is better, the "l" 3 screened monitors are sooo sweet.

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Old 11-25-2003, 02:57 PM   #27
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Jabba, got couple of questions... do you have air con in your room? Have a really good (but pricy) system in mind but heat maybe a bit of problem

IMO, wireless lan is probably not a good option for you since I can imagine interference being a problem in uk. Security is always an issue too.. so, gigabit network is probably a better choice wit 1000Mbps. The 54Mbps will probably end up being 2-3M/s in real life, it's way too slow when you have to transfer video files around. Someday, I have to upgrade my 100bt lan to gigabit, hate to miss a show cause you can't transfer few gigs of avi's to another box in time

Do you mind having less than 3 LCDs? Cause matrox parhelia isn't exactly the best choice for video editing.
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:59 PM   #28
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Powmax Red 500 Watt Aluminum Dual Fan Power Supply with LED Lights



Plextor 8x DVD+R
Plextor PX-708A Black: 8x4x12x DVD+RW, 4x2x12x DVD-RW, 40x24x40x CD-RW Burner with Roxio Software 300$

Or ıf u dont want a combo drive u can have

16x Pioneer Dvd rom & 8x Dvd-r

Buy a coolmax Led Case Fan 8$



Intel P4 3.2 GHZ
Put a Cpu Cooler Cooler Master Jet 4


Buy a Sound Card SB Audigy 2..

WD Caviar SE 250GB EIDE HD 7200/8MB/8.9/ATA-100 270$


Logitech Mouse+Keyboard Set



Sony SDM-S93 1280x1024 Two-Tone Grey Thin Frame 19" LCD Monitor

600$


If u want a projector
Epson Powerlite S1, 1200 ANSI Lumens SVGA 400:1

1000$

Thats all I found..
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Old 11-25-2003, 03:04 PM   #29
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I just found this maybe its useful for u..

Digital Video Converter
ConvertX makes it possible to quickly and easily convert analog images such as home videos on video tapes into digital video on durable CDs or DVDs


179$
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Old 11-25-2003, 03:09 PM   #30
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Dell Precision Workstation 650 MiniTower £5,024

£5,903.20 incl. VAT

Standard Features: Outstanding workstation applications performance
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional (Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Professional also available)
Two IEEE 1394 ports
3 Years On-Site Next Business Day is Included within the Price
MiniTower with 3.5'' Floppy Bay, 3 External 5.25'' Bays & 4 Internal Bays (504.7 x 225.8 x 502.9mm). Quietcase technology.

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional (Service Pack 1) with Media using NTFS

Processor: Dual Intel® Xeon Processors 3.2GHz (533MHz FSB/ 1MB cache) (+ GBP £1,480)

Client Gold Technical Support: Gold Technical Support (3 Year Coverage)

Hyper Threading: Processor Hyper-Threading

Floppy Drive: 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive

Memory: 1GB (2X512MB DIMM) 266MHz DDR ECC SDRAM Memory (+ GBP £310)

1st Hard Drive: 120GB (7,200 rpm) ATA/100 IDE Hard Drive with DataBurst Cache™ (+ GBP £90)

2nd Hard Drive: 120GB (7,200 rpm) ATA/100 IDE Hard Drive with DataBurst Cache™ (+ GBP £180)

RAID/PERC3 Controllers: Integrated Ultra 320/M RAID 0

Graphics Cards: Matrox Parhelia (128MB) Graphics Card - This option benefits from direct support from the component vendor (+ GBP £205)

Audio: Sound Blaster® Audigy II with onboard 1394 (+ GBP £60)

1st Monitor: Dell 20" UltraSharp™ Flat Panel Monitor (+ GBP £570)

2nd Monitor: Dell 20" UltraSharp™ Flat Panel Monitor (+ GBP £730)

CD ROM, DVD, Read-Write Drive: 4x DVD+RW Drive (+ GBP £110)

Internal ZIP Drive: Choose your upgrade below

Integrated Network Interface: Integrated Intel Gigabit LOM Network Interface with support for Remote Wake Up and Alert Standard Format (ASF)

Keyboard: Enhanced Quietkey™ (Spacesaver) keyboard

Mouse: Dell USB Optical 2-Button Scroll Mouse (+ GBP £10)

Operating System Media Kits: Documentation and Recovery CD for chosen Operating System

Maintenance Service: 3 Years Onsite Service with Next Business Day Response


Ok I found an ugly way to make my Dell system. Anyway, pretty pimp and likely faster than all this single processor stuff (even the last system I specced) in raw data crunching--Dual Processor + HT = effectively 4 CPUs under WinXP :shock:. Harddrives are a bit limited on the IDE end of things, but if you wanna really pump up the speed you can get up to 4 SCSI 320 10,000 rpm drives @ 150 GB each. I threw on two 20 inch flatscreens for the desktop and then assume you'd add a projector for the third output (on the Parhelia). Only 1 gig of RAM since it's ECC (error checking) and kinda pricey. Non-ECC is available as well and in retrospect is probably the better choice. Integrated RAID is kinda sweet--an external RAID card with caching is available if you're into even more speed. www.dell.co.uk
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