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Old 07-20-2005, 04:32 AM   #46
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OK, you guys talking about it as if the GT was some big deal for Ford. It's not. It was only originally conceived as a tribute to the original GT40. An image car. One that might make it to production in time for Ford's centennial, but only if the GT factions within Ford had their way (and not those who favored the Forty-Nine concept).
Then they unveil it at the Detroit auto show and suddenly people are saying they want to buy it. Not just one or two people. But LOTS. Some who were old enough to have remembered the original GT40's coming across the line at La Sarthe.
From there, at a breakneck development pace, Ford worked on the GT. But only after Ford bigwigs demanded it meet the timetable, and they made it clear that it was not a priority project. Remember, Ford was bleeding for money at the time, so a limited-production 2-seat exotic was most certainly NOT the best way to go. There would certainly have been no green light had the GT supporters targeted the Enzo. Which, frankly, wasn't even on the market at the time. Only the 360 was the known benchmark. Not even the Stradale had been released yet. But nevermind, the Ford GT would beat even that car (which had super-sticky P Zero Corsas no less).
And in the latest C&D comparo, it not only outruns the F430 in a straight line, but slightly beats its lap time on the road course. This in a car that is geared for intergalactic travel with a 212-mph top end (since limited to 205 mph).
Forget about the 360 Modena, the Ford outdoes the stripped track-focused Challenge Stradale, and keeps pace (and even outperforms by some margin) the brand new F430. And easily takes all of them on for GT purposes.
"Ferrari Slayer"? That was C&D's headline writing. Not Ford's advertising.

Instead of slagging off Ford, maybe some of you guys should appreciate that a company known more for family sedans and pickup trucks has stepped up and delivered to the world another interpretation of what a supercar can be.

Resale...that's hard to say at this point. You can find F355's for well less than half of their original value nowadays. The same is likely to happen for the F360, which accounts for about 65% of Ferrari's annual production of roughly 4200 cars. That's about 13,000 Modenas over a 5-year run. Ford has only planned 4500 GT's, which might then be replaced by the Shelby GR1. Which, frankly, should do little to nothing to impact GT market prices. Ferrari V8's, however, will always become somewhat stale with the next model revision. And in affluent places outside of the US, they will no doubt be considerably more common than the GT.
360's can be seen changing hands for as low as $105-115K:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4560512677
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4560583242
And that's not even talking about Ferrari shop/labor prices.

Fuel economy. EPA numbers:
360 Modena - 11/16
Ford GT - 14/21
Before you say "well, nobody ever gets EPA numbers"...doesn't matter. Both cars would have been tested under identical conditions over the same simulated routes on a rolling treadmill. And the fact remains that the GT delivered better economy. In the recent C&D comparo, with all cars driven over the same exact roads, the GT did slightly better than the F430: 12 mpg vs 11 in mixed driving (and they readily admit to driving like "valets on crystal meth").
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:44 AM   #47
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well i read this thread kinda late so all that GT vs. Ferrari stuff have pretty much been said. in my opinion, the ferrari 360 is a POS ( a POS that i will never be able to buy ) compare to the GT. this is in MY OPINION. the 430 is a HUGE improvement over the 360, and is pretty much share an equal spot with the GT in my list.

now back to the main question. if you would look at Ford's other reasons to build the GT, i think they did what they wanted too.

- bring up the ford's image
- attract public and media attention
- homage to the legendary GT40.
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:33 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by insane
Personally I would have liked it if they'd created a proper supercar, that could have competed with the likes of the Ferrari Enzo and the Porsche Carrera GT. That's what it looks like from the out side, but the performance isn't as good as its looks. Too bad.
Define "proper supercar".

Are you kidding? The GT is only 1/4th of what an Enzo costs (going on MSRP's). Only 1/3rd of what a CGT costs. And you expect it to match those cars for performance? It almost does, and much closer than its price would suggest. Try to be realistic for a moment.
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:43 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
But keep in mind.


If it wasnt for the rednecks buying the Vette Coupes, there would never be a Z06.

If it wasnt for the posers buying the Ferrari F1s, there would be no Ferrari at all lol.

If it wasnt for the posers none of our favorite perfomance cars would exist. Because the posers provide the money to keep Ferrari, Porsche and in the Vettes case, the Z06 alive. Because its only very few of us real enthusiats who can afford these cars.

So shit, thank GM for making the Vette coupe with that auto option and Ferrari for having that auto button on the center console of their F1 cars or else we'd all be at a lawn mower forum right now lol.
True rednecks couldnt afford a brand new vette if it was free. Rednecks buy the Monte Carlo Nascar edition SS C5 and C6 non Z51/Z06s are bought buy men in their 40s going through a midlife, or young executives who want a current status car.
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Old 07-26-2005, 02:00 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Originally Posted by T-Bird
this really is pathetic you Ferrari only girls are complaining about a car that was designed and released waay before the F430 was so how is that fair when using your argument of it beating an older car? yeah that's right shut up.
now If I recall all you haters back when the GT first came around you were all praising that it could beat the 360 and had to keep telling everybody but it isn't an American car it's British etc. etc. but now that the F430 comes around (And BTW C&D did a review of the 430 and GT and said the GT was a better car but the 430 was more livable) it's a piece of American garbage that doesn't seem to deserve it's existence.
WTF Are you on about?

It beat an outdated 6 yeard old Ferrari.

You say the 360 is its competition? Fine. It is. Am I supposed to be impressed by the fact that a Ford the "Ferrari exterminator" beats a 6 year old Ferrari???

British?WTF? The original GT40 was half british not this one.

Now how is the GT a better car then the F430 if they lap the same time? Tell me please. What is it about the GT that is better then the F430s? It doesnt have half the techonolgy that the F-car does. It doesnt have a pure N/A engine. It doesnt have the noise, it doesnt have the quality. It doesnt even have an original style.(but it does look good, but so would an F430 with a 250GTO body work....)

So whats your point really?

The car has no place!

Saying it again. It doesnt have anything to beat the Ferraris best, it doesnt have anything to beat Ferraris latest entry class, all it can do is beat an old 360. Wooohooo great!

Seriously what is the arguing about? Whats your point?
OMFG, you are an idiot, please grow up and act your own age if your not lieing about it.

The Ford GT was meant to go up against the Ferrari 360 Modena. The creater of the 360 even came and tested one of the test Ford GTs and loved it but he also commented that it would never beat the 360. When the Ford GT finished they took it to the track with a mustang engine with 400 hp and ended up beating the 360 by 3-4 seconds, even one of the 360s broke its clutch trying to keepup nice 'user friendleness'. The 360 creator gave no shit and just said brilliant car, although most the people on this board can only say its just a Ford.

Now you say that tough luck it beat a 6 year old car, so what the 360 couldn't even beat a 66' GT-40. Also on that note how many was the 360 in development?, while the Ford GT was only in 6 months of development. So a Ferrari in development over years can't beat a Ford GT made in 6 months.

Then it went on to beat every Porsche except for the CGT, every Lamborghini, and every Ferrari except the Enzo and you have the guts to say it didn't live up to what it was apposed to live up to? You know what the Ford GT is one of the most popular supercars out there and even a dream car to many people no matter young or old. Remeber its just a Ferrari.

Hah, I can't believe you guys even banned me with how you guys judge on peoples oppinions and Car Companies, as I said before grow up and act your own age.

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JiggaStyles09, I thank you for defending the Ford GT, not many people will.
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Old 07-27-2005, 05:58 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by insane
Ferraris take more time to develope because the end result is a good handling car, the GT doesn't have anything against a 306 or a 430 for that matter in corners.
Ie, the GT isn't a good-handling car? Is this based on your experience of driving both of them back to back?

Evo magazine did just that. And declared in unequivocal terms the Ford GT better in handling.





Even against the Challenge Stradale (on R-compound tires), the Ford GT holds its own. From C&D's head to head test last year:
Skidpad
Ford GT: 0.98g
360CS: 0.98g

Emergency Lane Change
Ford GT: 70.1 mph
360CS: 67.2

Gingerman lap times (Gingerman isn't a fast track; a 405-hp Z06 can play its gearing advantage to outpace a 500-hp Viper on the straights here, even though both corner at the same speeds):
Ford GT: 1:32.13
360CS: 1:34.19

Overall Handling Rating
Ford GT: 10
360 CS: 9



And against the F430, the Ford GT holds up well. From this month's C&D:
Skidpad
Ford GT: 0.94g
F430: 0.96g

Lane change
Ford GT: 71.8 mph
F430: 71.4 mph

Streets of Willow lap times
Ford GT: 1:32.61
F430: 1:32.68

(Streets of Willow is a very tight and twisty technical track. Notice how the F430 is just as fast as the Ford GT on the front straight; and faster than the GT on the back straight even though the GT pulls more g's in the immediately preceding corner; short gearing of the F430 pays off here.)

Overall Handling rating
Ford GT: 10
F430: 10


The Ferraris have slightly better steering feel, but in terms of overall handling, it is dead wrong to say "the GT doesn't have anything against a 306 or a 430 for that matter in corners."
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