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Old 12-21-2009, 04:53 AM   #16
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show me any Saturn ever built that is any good. Then do the same with Pontiac.
Thank you John DeLorean

and this one which was too little too late

Then there were my mid engine Fieros which I admit werent very good at first, but were excellent by 1988 and GM scrapped the car because it was becoming too competative with the Corvette. (Outsold the MR2 every year of production)



Did I mention this one?

or this one?
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:21 AM   #17
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Your trolling is getting really tiring... refute my contention that SAAB was a failing company in 1989 at the time of the purchase... or just keep quiet.

SAAB was on the brink of failure and collapse and was SHOPPING for a saviour.

It must be terrible to always have your flawed and incorrect and biased views smashed to pieces by facts - time after time.
Still waiting for it to happen.
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:24 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by MidEngine4Life View Post
Thank you John DeLorean

and this one which was too little too late

Then there were my mid engine Fieros which I admit werent very good at first, but were excellent by 1988 and GM scrapped the car because it was becoming too competative with the Corvette. (Outsold the MR2 every year of production)



Did I mention this one?

or this one?
DO you actually believe that the GTO was a good car, very powerful yes, and a looker, but any good? And the trans am? Are you actually serious, they even had to invent genial tv shows and films to shift them. And as for the G8, it's just a rebadged holden with a vette engine, fun, but not a Pontiac.

Still scratching your head on the Saturn front?
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Old 12-21-2009, 12:05 PM   #19
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Your trolling is getting really tiring... refute my contention that SAAB was a failing company in 1989 at the time of the purchase... or just keep quiet.

SAAB was on the brink of failure and collapse and was SHOPPING for a saviour.

It must be terrible to always have your flawed and incorrect and biased views smashed to pieces by facts - time after time.
Still waiting for it to happen.
Are you for real?

You troleld that GM trashed SAAB even AFTER beign presented with HISTORICAL FACT that SAAB Automotive was a failing car company LOOKING for saviour in the 1980's.

If GM hadn't picked them up in the 80's, SAAB would cars would have folded THEN.

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Old 12-21-2009, 12:11 PM   #20
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DO you actually believe that the GTO was a good car, very powerful yes, and a looker, but any good?
If you spent half as much time comparing all your precious euro cars from "back in the day" to current cars - the way you constantly compare historical US cars to current "competitors" instead of peer competitors of the day, you might learn that teh US cars of the period where in fact good cars

Have you bothered to ever FACTUALLY research reliability and quality of ANY eurocar of the 1950's, 60's and 70's?

If you did, you would find terrible mechanical reliability, atrocious electrical systems, pathetic rusting problems and generally poor quality.

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And the trans am? Are you actually serious, they even had to invent genial tv shows and films to shift them.
Again, try comparing the car to its euro peers of the day - you know, those anemic 190bhp Porsches and ferraris and *gasp* absoltute tripe (when compared to CURRENT peers) Audis and VW's of the 70's.

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And as for the G8, it's just a rebadged holden with a vette engine, fun, but not a Pontiac.
Built from the same parts bin and with parts from the same suppliers as every other Pontiac... so pretty much a GM car through and through.

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Still scratching your head on the Saturn front?
Again - compare with entry level peers of the day...
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Old 12-21-2009, 04:28 PM   #21
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I wonder what will happend whit the aviation part of the company
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Old 12-21-2009, 05:32 PM   #22
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I wonder what will happend whit the aviation part of the company
Truck, Military and Aviation have been surviving well on their own as far as I understand.

The automobiles division is what was sold off in 1989 as it was dead weight.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:01 AM   #23
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And then ruined completely by poor GM management.
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:07 AM   #24
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And then ruined completely by poor GM management.
Not unlike poor management killed all the brands that comprised British Leyland... and pretty much every other British car company before and since... right?
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Old 12-22-2009, 12:51 PM   #25
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Absolutely correct.
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Old 12-22-2009, 01:29 PM   #26
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Absolutely correct.
Ahhh - classic British self-loathing on cue...
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:08 PM   #27
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Not self loathing, just that you are correct.

At least we can admit when we are wrong, unlike the yanks. I have never lived in a more deluded and generally unaware place, and that was NY, supposedly they know a thing or two.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:20 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by pitfield View Post
Not self loathing, just that you are correct.

At least we can admit when we are wrong, unlike the yanks. I have never lived in a more deluded and generally unaware place, and that was NY, supposedly they know a thing or two.
What exactly is it that makes one aware? Being a country that is quickly eradicating everything but the service industry?
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:22 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by pitfield View Post
Not self loathing, just that you are correct.

At least we can admit when we are wrong, unlike the yanks. I have never lived in a more deluded and generally unaware place, and that was NY, supposedly they know a thing or two.
And oddly enough - New York is the LEAST "yank" of all the cities in the USA.

New York is a liberla cess-pool that is more impacted by international dilution than anywhere else.

Thinking that New York is representative fo the USA, is as foolhadry as thinking Hong Kong is an accurate reflection of the real China
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:37 PM   #30
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And oddly enough - New York is the LEAST "yank" of all the cities in the USA.

New York is a liberla cess-pool that is more impacted by international dilution than anywhere else.

Thinking that New York is representative fo the USA, is as foolhadry as thinking Hong Kong is an accurate reflection of the real China
Whatever you say, I didn't like it that much either.
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