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bultaco_metralla · 07-31-2006, 04:12 AM

Its now very difficult so if Alonso wins will be more apreciated!! But as i say i see it a little difficult but not imposible!!

BTW Ronin i wont give excuses as i fucking like Schumi also!! before Alonso i was Schumi 100% and before Senna! but i cant remember those races...SHIT!!

McLarenboy · 07-31-2006, 06:30 AM

Renault invented that damper-system, so this means it was a problem area on the renault. Now that it's not present on the car anymore no wonder it's going to affect them the most.

Other teams just copied it without much gained advantages.

bultaco_metralla · 07-31-2006, 07:10 AM

ronin...as massa didnt push into shcumi ass

5vz-fe · 07-31-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by nickthaskater

I don't see why the lack of damper would cause the rears to blister so badly. Even Kimi said that he was getting blisters near the end of the race and McLaren don't run a damper (and never have to my knowledge). It was purely the tires and setups.

Partially, yes, I think Michelin admits they were expecting higher track temperature. But front and rear don't work independently, if understeer, they might slide the car out abit to ensure the nose is point the right direction. This slide out might cause rear to blister more than normal.

sameerrao · 07-31-2006, 10:25 AM

Excellent performamce by Ferrari, Kimi and particularly Webber.

Ferrari was on song today dominating the proceedings like they did 2 years back. Looks like Massa and Schumi were pretty evenly matched today. Massa is doing a far better job than Fisi is at Renault.

Renault were running into tire issues this weekend despite taking the tires from a test on a hot day at Jerez. The lack of mass dampers seem to be one of the key factors behind their poor performance today.

The other Michelin runners weren't suffering as much. From a fastest lap standpoint, Ralf was about 0.5 seconds quicker than Alonso on similar tires. But the Renaults were averaging 1'19" while the Ferraris were in the 1'16"-1'17" range all day long

The mass damper was intended to keep the car flat over bumps and in turn in. The removal of this made the front end move a lot more. Perhaps Renault had to make adjustments to the wing or suspension settings to compensate for this. This perhaps led to the graining at the back. I don't know :bah:

The timing of the ban of the mass dampers is curious to me. Charlie Whiting has banned it now when the teams are not allowed to test it. Shades of 2003?

The pressure is on Fernando and Renault and he needs to win at least one race instead of cruising to second places to win the championship.

nickthaskater · 07-31-2006, 10:51 AM

Meh, who knows what the real issue was with Renault today... And as was already said, they chose not to run it, so if that's what really caused them the most trouble, they shot themselves in the foot, no blame can be put on anyone else.

As for some people out there saying that the rules are being changed for Ferrari's sake, where was the help all last year? Ferrari and Bridgestone were about as threatening as a daisy, but the one tire rule persisted all year long. I don't know why it took so long to come to a conclusion such as this for Charlie, though it's entirely possible he's been looking into it for an extened period of time, or something of the sort. Again, who knows?

And finally, Fisichella. He was clearly the faster of the two Renaults on Sunday (and Saturday for that matter). It was definitely a case of him riding shotgun for Alonso's championship sake.

McLarenboy · 07-31-2006, 12:53 PM

ow jezus christ

latest devolpment: Renault is ALLOWED to use their dampers during the next race, and what ever happens (technical control, complaints,...) they will not lose any points.

what the hell is going on at the FIA? Bunch of fucking wankers

sameerrao · 07-31-2006, 12:57 PM

Its a frikkin soap opera

nickthaskater · 07-31-2006, 12:58 PM

Oh well, I don't think it will really make that much of a difference anyways, Ferrari still handed Renault their asses on a platter in France, a race in which Renault were running their dampers. At this point in time I think it comes down strictly to tires between those two teams, and Bridgestone are kicking some serious ass in the European heat right now.

bultaco_metralla · 08-01-2006, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by McLarenboy

ow jezus christ

latest devolpment: Renault is ALLOWED to use their dampers during the next race, and what ever happens (technical control, complaints,...) they will not lose any points.

what the hell is going on at the FIA? Bunch of fucking wankers

Like when Ferrari used at the start of the season a new and ingenious brake heat dispel system that by chance eliminated the turbulences of the back tyres, this system had to be banned as an aerodynamic component but Ferrari said it was only for dispel brakes heat....... :fist: SURE!!!.... Now all teams use it!!

And about the FIA, you cant bann that when Renault has made more than a half of the season witrh that system, and when you have developed your car based on that system....

nickthaskater · 08-01-2006, 03:17 AM

It could've been possible that Charlie had been examining the system further in the meantime leading up to this point, and came to the conclusion that by stabilizing the nose, it was giving the car better downforce or something along those lines. Who really knows...

Either way, they'll be using it in Hungary, so we'll see just how much of a difference it makes.

Mattk · 08-01-2006, 03:18 AM

meanwhile the midlands have been disqualified for still having a "flexiwing"

So? They came last anyway.