Alonso RUINED his the Hungarian GP [Video Added]

[nickthaskater]

Originally Posted by bultaco_metralla I was going to write that, and this penalty is hard as Schumi in Monaco, Alonso is going to be in the last positions... I cant believe such a hard penalty for something we have seen lots of times the fridays and saturdays ... In the case of Monaco i would have deleted Schumi's first fast lap and give him his second fast time, Like i would have do wuth the case of Alonso. You cant compare manoveur of Schumi in Monaco with this little anger between Alonso and Doornbos, and the penalty for this case is harder than should be, i would have put an economic penalty.... BTW, Doornbos didnt move a fucking milimeter to let Alonso pass, who was in a fast lap, Doornbos wasn't.... Block or what??

First off, it was two 1-second penalties, one for his uncalled for aggression on Doornbos (who happened to wind up 4th in the session mind you, not exactly a backmarker), and one for passing under the yellow flags, which is inexcusable whoever you are.

A one second penalty for nearly running Doornbos off the road, then brake checking him at a pretty critical corner, is hardly something to bitch and moan about. There's a reason Renault aren't protesting the penalties you know.

[LotusGT1]

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Nobody is disputing the penalties per se. Merely the childish reactions of some of the members here. They act like Alonso lost his head and all that bullshit. Let's not forget their precious MS tried twice to collide into another driver to get the title.

Hypocrits.

[5vz-fe]

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 ^ You are the one making all this drama about Alonso, while you were terribly quiet when the incident happened at Monaco. You're all just a bunch of fanboys :roll:

I wasn't denying MS's action in Monaco, but as a fan, I really don't know how to defend him, that's explains the quietness. Same here for FA, it is obvious that he's doing some dangerous driving here, I really don't see why ppl can still defend as if it is okay for everyone to do this kinda things.

[nickthaskater]

I haven't seen anyone deny anything about Schumacher, I'm happy to admit that he's made some rather questionable moves over his career, but that doesn't excuse someone else acting like a jackass either.

How Schumacher incidents from 9+ years ago got dragged into this anyways is beyond me.

By the way, note how Schumacher was racing with his actual title competitors, not some Friday driver during a practice session...

[LotusGT1]

You guys post how Alonso appearantly can't handle the pressure, you guys dedicated 8-9-10 pages on how Schumacher shouldn't be penitalized in Monaco, and all you guys do is scream how Alonso deserves all but crap because he appearantly is unfair and arrogant, and how Schumacher should be praised till the end of days.

It's simply holding double standards.

[5vz-fe]

I did vaugely recall that some ppl say MS is not penalized hard enough at monaco and how it links to all his actions over the years. so on and on.....

I don't see how gesturing and running ppl off on pratice considered as calm and laid back action. So here I am just reminding ppl beside this penalizable incident, there are similar incidents before by FA. How is that double standard?

MS has won 7 World Titles, even if you consider 1 of them is a contreversal win (that u guys keep reminding of), there's still record breaking 6 left. Senna bumped into ppl many times before, as far as I know, he's still remembered as a legend. I don't see why MS should not be praised till the end of days.

[bultaco_metralla]

5vz-fe if MS had do that i would apply same i said, cause i also like very much MS, but im FA cause hes spanish, before him i was Schumi 100%, and if you read my post slowly youll see it!!

[saadie]

@ 5vz-fe -- wait til he retires or dies lol ....

but really .. what alons did was like steling candy from a shop where a kid was already in the line to take it hmm .. ...
yeah i just woke up

[LotusGT1]

Originally Posted by 5vz-fe MS has won 7 World Titles, even if you consider 1 of them is a contreversal win (that u guys keep reminding of), there's still record breaking 6 left. Senna bumped into ppl many times before, as far as I know, he's still remembered as a legend. I don't see why MS should not be praised till the end of days.

His tactics show what kind of driver MS is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael...er#Controversy

His performance is outstanding, him being sportive can be debated though.

[nickthaskater]

The definition of 'sportive' can vary from person to person. Some view it as competing and winning at all costs, others see it in a more traditional gentlemanly way, and so on.

Either way, in Schumacher's ~15 year career, 8 listings on a Wikipedia page is really not all that much. Juan Pablo could've likely been cited double that with 1/3 of the career.

[saadie]

^^ winning at all costs sounds fine .... but when the guy starts cheating ... its has whole different meaning ... which isnt sportive ...

[5vz-fe]

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 Originally Posted by 5vz-fe MS has won 7 World Titles, even if you consider 1 of them is a contreversal win (that u guys keep reminding of), there's still record breaking 6 left. Senna bumped into ppl many times before, as far as I know, he's still remembered as a legend. I don't see why MS should not be praised till the end of days. His tactics show what kind of driver MS is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael...er#Controversy His performance is outstanding, him being sportive can be debated though.

Unfortunately I have to agree that on a few incidents that he's indeed unsportive. namely the 94 and 97 bumping incidents. That said, a few black dots of a paper does make it entirely black. To MS, I think a win is more than anything, that might also explains why he stays in F1 for such a long time, coz if he retires, he'll stop winning. Moreover, he did tame himself down over the years and still remain competitive. His never give up spirit and desire to win (even with his records) wins the respect of many, including me.

Damn, as if I am making a speech here.......I better stop.

[nickthaskater]

Originally Posted by saadie ^^ winning at all costs sounds fine .... but when the guy starts cheating ... its has whole different meaning ... which isnt sportive ...

Driving aggressively isn't cheating in my book. Is it the best choice? Sitting here typing this, no, but who can really judge without getting in the car at that very moment? Emotion is part of sport.

As I have said from the very beginning, the whole reason why I'm even making a reasonable deal about this Alonso incident, is because it was during a practice session, and quite early on in said session. That and the conflict was with a Friday driver. Had it been during a race or qualifying with an actual racing driver, then my opinion would be different, but to act as he did when he did, is very unbecoming.

[saadie]

lol ... driving agressivly isnt cheating ...
remember how schumi over took barichallo and how illy tried to overtake massa last year in the moncaco GP .. that was agressive .. bumping cars is cheating ... thas what i do in GP4 .. but anyway ... .

lets not go offtopic .....

and yeah .. alonso did act like an ass ..... there was no reason to do such a thing ... if it were qulification or the race .. then it would be a different matter ...

remember Fisi came to villeneuves garage started swearinga nd shyt ...
that was crappy as hell ....
the reason is .. when a guy is on his flying lap ... there is no reason why he'd slow down and let a faster car overtake him .. im pretty sure thats what hapenned in this doornbos and alons incident

[nickthaskater]

Well the other thing is that after Alonso got past, Doornbos was keeping up with him just fine, and wound up finishing 4th in the session, so like I said earlier, it's not as if Doornbos was driving like a backmarker (which Alonso basically says in his comments on the matter).