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[evoWalo]

Linux doesnt have MSO. OO.org is still 2nd best.
Linux cannot settle on a single GUI standard. KDE or Gnome anyone?
Linux doesnt have Adobe/Macromedia apps.
Linux cannot be used by grandma w/o grandchild helping her out.
Linux doesnt have commercial consumer apps that Windows or MacOS enjoy.
Linux isnt 100% GUI driven. At one point or another you will need to delve into the CLI.
Linux hw drivers are mostly written by volunteers. If your hw is of no interest to them then you dont have hw drivers. Very few hw vendors make Linux hw drivers.

Linux may be great on servers but needs more work on the desktop. Linux is made for geeks by geeks so if the geek isnt interested it wont arrive anytime soon on Linux.

[dutchmasterflex]

Originally Posted by 5vz-fe Originally Posted by dutchmasterflex Microsoft is a bunch of idiots who cannot make a proper operating system for shit. It's ridiculous how everyone in this God damn world uses such a shitty OS. Without Microsoft's inefficient programmers, PC hardware will not be on a steep growing curve since Windows 95.

Not to mention the whole warez movement

I know this is a basshing thread, but it's a good thing Windows lacks the security that prevents us from making cracks and patches for applications

[Pimp Racer]

Originally Posted by ellen feiss Linux doesnt have MSO. OO.org is still 2nd best. Linux cannot settle on a single GUI standard. KDE or Gnome anyone? Linux doesnt have Adobe/Macromedia apps. Linux cannot be used by grandma w/o grandchild helping her out. Linux doesnt have commercial consumer apps that Windows or MacOS enjoy. Linux isnt 100% GUI driven. At one point or another you will need to delve into the CLI. Linux hw drivers are mostly written by volunteers. If your hw is of no interest to them then you dont have hw drivers. Very few hw vendors make Linux hw drivers. Linux may be great on servers but needs more work on the desktop. Linux is made for geeks by geeks so if the geek isnt interested it wont arrive anytime soon on Linux.

As far as MSO and OO.org goes I think OO.org is better since its first off free.

Also the GUI thing. KDE or Gnome is actually good. It gives the user more options on what they want their interface to look like. If I dont like KDE I can always have Gnome but if I dont like Gnome I can have KDE. But in windows if you dont like their GUI then you are screwed.

From what I heard Adobe and Marcomedia apps are being ported to the Linux distros, including Flash Player 9.

Also Linux CAN be used by a granny withour her child. Have you ever tried Ubuntu? Its probably the most easiest to use and navigate around.

Also you say linux doesnt have commerical consumer apps. Can you be a bit more specific? I know there are a few programs out for windows that I can get on Linux or MAC OS. But thats just a small percentage of them. Usually there are alternatives in the Linux OS for certain apps.

So what if Linux isnt 100% GUI. If you are trying to do something that requires you to use the CLI then I am sure you know a thing or two about computers.

Speaking of the HW drivers. So far every device I own is reconigized under Linux. If your device isnt supported you can always just search around. Also if you dont mind me asking name me 3 devices you have personally had problems with not being reconigized or operate properly under Linux.

Saying Linux is for geeks is sorta wrong as well. I didnt know shit about computers when I first tried linux and it was I admit sorta hard at first but I got used to it. BTW my first distro I tried was FC3.

[evoWalo]

Free isn't always better and OO.org isn't 100% backward compatible with current MSO and previous version of MSO. The memory requirement to make it fast enough to be useful is much much more than MSO. OO.org's GUI is so old & reminds me of something out of the 90s.\

Having a choice of GUI is not a good thing. It splits the effort of everyone from delivering a unified user experience. So long as there is "choice" of GUIs people will have to learn one too many things to run Linux. Current state of the art GUIs are 3D accelerated. Unless you're using Xgl in SUSE you'll need to install it onto another distro.

Until the actual product ships all the "I heard" rumors are vaporware. Flash Player 9 just plays content not create it.

MS, Adobe, Corel, Macromedia, Intuit, Blizzard, EA and a lot more companies do not produce software that runs on Linux. If they did it's just a token app that's ment to allow just viewing. There are "free" "open source" alternatives out there that is true. But are they as good as the commercial offerings? I can see no reputable printing press using Gimp to create there works on as the thing is done for amateurs who are too cheap or hardheaded to buy Photoshop.

Can granny install Ubuntu? Does granny know wtf a partition is? Does granny need to find some obscure hw driver because ubuntu doesnt have it or it's still beta? I tried Ubuntu and it's a step down from Windows. Again it isnt the fault of the software writers beacause they're oriented towards geek users. Does Ubuntu have a proper human interface useability lab that they invite granny and gramps as part of a focus group or does Ubuntu rely on software volunteer to write code and make adjustments to what they "think" granny & gramps could handle.

All OSes have CLI whether it be Terminal, Console or MS-DOS prompt to very uncommon things or it would be more efficient through typing but to do something as pedestrian as changing your display's resolution should be done within a GUI. Even Windows 3.1 & OS 9 need not go into the CLI to change the resolution of your screen.

Does Linux have drivers for Winmodems? If they do now, how long did it take for it to be written. You're probably using popular hw that Linux nerds have gotten around to write drivers for. If they're not interested too bad for you. Unlike commercial platforms whose drivers are written by the manufacturer because of market forces.

Consumers buy computers to write emails, listen to mp3s, play games, surf for porn, watch porn and other pedestrian things. They dont buy computers to wrestle with which GUI's for them, what command do you need to type in to play Tetris within emacs or ping a server or go begging Linux nerds to write software for exotic hardware123.

Having to learn how to change resolution via CLI is a very geeky thing. Again Linux is a geek's desktop OS. If you want a true consumer desktop OS you got Windows or better yet MacOS.

Linux is great for servers, inbeded devices & such but it isn't there yet for consumer desktop OS. Some areas they're part of 2006 and some areas it reminds me of 1986. Linux is what it is now because of the level of interest among geeks. If it werent for commercial examples people would still be CLI-ing 100%.

[Pimp Racer]

You make some great points my friend. But all I am trying to say is if you are just the average joe who goes on the web, type up a few papers or two, watch a movie, listen to music and just the average everyday thing then Linux is for you. But if you are more in depth with computers such as photo/video editing, playing games and shit then you should just stick to MS since you will find more love there correct?

So to summarize what I am saying MS isnt bad if you are a indepth computer user but if you just use a computer for typing and surfing the web and you are short on cash to go out and buy you a MS Office CD, then my opinion is that Linux is for you.

[evoWalo]

Nope, you got it wrong. Linux needs more effort to do the things the average joe needs to be done. You could play Windows games on Linux via WINE but ull need to nerd it out to get it run half-decently.

Also Linux on default install is far far more insecure than Windows. While in Windows it is somewhat secure and you can just install Zone Alarm, Avast AVS & anti-spyware warez on Linux you'll need to delve into the CLI.

With Linux you may get it for free but you "pay" with your time. People can create more money but you can't create more time. If you want to spend your time tinkering then Linux and DIY PCs are your thing but if you want to spend time actually doing work & enjoying computing then look somewhere else.

Most people do the illegal & cheap way... warez & fly over to my country and buy bootlegs for less than $1.00