New Veyron Test

[Minacious]

Originally Posted by tforth Like I said before, even if you are capable of pulling sub 10s (on demand) on your nifty bike...

It is nifty, thanks.

[tforth]

...and regarding all of the statements about the Veyron not being able to handle as well as other supercars, please see the quote from evo No. 096, supercar comparison (Veyron vs. Enzo, CGT and Zonda S):

From Pg. 102:

"I probably like the Veyron more than either of them (the other cars in this test), not because it's the fastest production car ever but because I still can't believe, first, that it works and, second, that it works so astonishingly well. Against all expectation it's not simply a car for going absurdly fast in a straight line; it really does seem to defy physics in the corners, feeling much lighter than it actually is, changing direction with alarcity and precision and getting its power down more effectively than cars with several hundred horsepower less."

[Max Power]

what was with that monotone narration?

put some effort into it...

[tforth]

I guess the Max Power title is appropriate then...

[RC45]

Originally Posted by mrmojo77 Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by mrmojo77 Now, finally a bit better numbers. 10,2s is already a very nice time. It's right there in the same league than fastest cars in the Street Race here. And those are monster cars, that destroy your ears and are not usable in the streets, though they can be legally driven in streets. Well then the 10s cars in your town are not the same as the 10s cars in my toen.. Those cars are not brutal drag slick tyre mosters with no use anywhere else They are here. Chevelle, Nova, Nova SS, Malibu, Mustang, Duster among others. They are great cars on the drag strip, but I don't think they are practical in street driving with their shitloads of power. I might want to drive one, but I wouldn't want to own any. I would want to own a Veyron though.

Who the hell is talking about some trumped up Chevelle or Duster other pice of crap?

I am talking about 10s street sports cars.. not 35 year old souped up dragsters.

When will people learn that you cannot compare someones souped up Chevelle to a slightly tweaked Z06 or a Viper or even a Ruf or even *gasp* a properly tuned Supra...

The above mentioned cars can go trun and stop like no 60's/70's car could.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by tforth ...and regarding all of the statements about the Veyron not being able to handle as well as other supercars, please see the quote from evo No. 096, supercar comparison (Veyron vs. Enzo, CGT and Zonda S): From Pg. 102: "I probably like the Veyron more than either of them (the other cars in this test), not because it's the fastest production car ever but because I still can't believe, first, that it works and, second, that it works so astonishingly well. Against all expectation it's not simply a car for going absurdly fast in a straight line; it really does seem to defy physics in the corners, feeling much lighter than it actually is, changing direction with alarcity and precision and getting its power down more effectively than cars with several hundred horsepower less."

No where there does it say it is BETTER than the rest - it simply says IT is better than expected - and that statement about "getting power down better than less powerful cars" is proof positive that people don't get how PS2 the car is.

If it has 1000hp and only goes as quick as a 600hp car, then it stands to reason that the computers are shutting down the power to 600hp levels to maintain grip.. so in effect the 1000hp is just an advertising gimmick and is only ever need if you want to go above 215mph perhaps,... a speed perhaps 2 Beyron owners will ever see

So what we have is a 1000hp car that can only use 600hp since it is no quicker than any other vehicle with the same power...

And again...

For 1 million dollars

1000hp

4wd

more electronic aids than a wore out porn star

It would be an even bigger pile of crap if could not do 10.2s @ 140+mph

[pagani]

I kown lots of cars that will beat veyron including the norris evo 9 swb rocket ronnie's r33 gtr the rc developments evo 6 jenspeed wrc escort the reyland escort cosworth.

Conclusion the veyron is just a slow piece of crap.
8) 8)

[MartijnGizmo]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by mrmojo77 Now, finally a bit better numbers. 10,2s is already a very nice time. It's right there in the same league than fastest cars in the Street Race here. And those are monster cars, that destroy your ears and are not usable in the streets, though they can be legally driven in streets. Well then the 10s cars in your town are not the same as the 10s cars in my toen.. Those cars are not brutal drag slick tyre mosters with no use anywhere else

We'll see how the fanboys react when the first videos of street-killed Veyrons come in.

[TopGearNL]

Originally Posted by everso FANTASTIC! what a car.......the best. no contest.

True about the no contest but I don't think its the best car

[tforth]

If it has 1000hp and only goes as quick as a 600hp car, then it stands to reason that the computers are shutting down the power to 600hp levels to maintain grip..

From the definitive evo comparison, when they are comparing the Veyron against the CGT, Harry's modified Zonda S and the Enzo on backroads. Issue 096, Pg. 99

"The Bugatti copes well with the lumps and bumps of these minor roads, too, feeling relaxed and controlled, the ESP traction control activating only once when I request full power over some bumps." - i.e. your assumption is incorrect.

No where there does it say it is BETTER than the rest - it simply says IT is better than expected - and that statement about "getting power down better than less powerful cars" is proof positive that people don't get how PS2 the car is.

I think it was you who had stated in the past that the Veyron wouldn't handle. I am simply providing evidence, from what most true enthusiasts would consider a credible source. Here's some more comments to counter your argument from the same article:

evo 096, Pg. 100, when comparing it to the Enzo:

"In some respects the Enzo is like the Carrera - super-sharp front end, high roll stiffness and appreciable structural integrity - but its punchier engine should make it more effective here. However, half a mile in, it's clear that the Ferrari and I have got our work cut out, and not just because the Veyron is shockingly fast when the road uncoils. It's also incredibly quick into the turns and fires out of them like it's on slicks."

In case you haven't received the message here, the Veyron ate an Enzo, CGT and modified Zonda S for lunch in the twisties (read: no long straights)

so in effect the 1000hp is just an advertising gimmick and is only ever need if you want to go above 215mph perhaps,... a speed perhaps 2 Beyron owners will ever see

from car's Veyron review by Georg Kacher, issue 529, Pg. 46:

"Ordinary supercars excel in the 125 to 185 mph speed range. Special supercars like the Bugatti demotivate the rest of the four-wheeled world between 185 and 250 mph. Silly velocity? impossible in today's traffic? Wrong, and wrong again. You're forgetting the Veyron's phenomenal stoping ability. With a combined deceleration force of 2.0g - that's 1.4g pulled by the car plus 0.6g added by the air brake - you can squash kinetic energy at a mind blowing rate."

"No, I didn't venture into the final 20mph (i.e. 230-250mph) zone on public roads. But I can report that 230mph in this supercoup on steroids feels about as wild and daring as 150mph does in a regular sports car."

If big 'ol fat Georg Kacher was doing 230mph in a Veyron, so would a decent bunch of those Veyron owners who will actually drive their car.

Care to go further? This is merely the 'tip of the iceberg' in terms of supporting evidence. I am attempting to be objective. Are you?

[nthfinity]

sorry, but if you simply turn the top speed key, you voide the warenty of the Veyron.

I love the car, and have a very good idea of its capabliities.... but like 99% of the supercars out there, it does have its problems

[RC45]

Originally Posted by tforth If it has 1000hp and only goes as quick as a 600hp car, then it stands to reason that the computers are shutting down the power to 600hp levels to maintain grip.. From the definitive evo comparison, when they are comparing the Veyron against the CGT, Harry's modified Zonda S and the Enzo on backroads. Issue 096, Pg. 99 "The Bugatti copes well with the lumps and bumps of these minor roads, too, feeling relaxed and controlled, the ESP traction control activating only once when I request full power over some bumps." - i.e. your assumption is incorrect. No where there does it say it is BETTER than the rest - it simply says IT is better than expected - and that statement about "getting power down better than less powerful cars" is proof positive that people don't get how PS2 the car is. I think it was you who had stated in the past that the Veyron wouldn't handle. I am simply providing evidence, from what most true enthusiasts would consider a credible source. Here's some more comments to counter your argument from the same article: evo 096, Pg. 100, when comparing it to the Enzo: "In some respects the Enzo is like the Carrera - super-sharp front end, high roll stiffness and appreciable structural integrity - but its punchier engine should make it more effective here. However, half a mile in, it's clear that the Ferrari and I have got our work cut out, and not just because the Veyron is shockingly fast when the road uncoils. It's also incredibly quick into the turns and fires out of them like it's on slicks." In case you haven't received the message here, the Veyron ate an Enzo, CGT and modified Zonda S for lunch in the twisties (read: no long straights) so in effect the 1000hp is just an advertising gimmick and is only ever need if you want to go above 215mph perhaps,... a speed perhaps 2 Beyron owners will ever see from car's Veyron review by Georg Kacher, issue 529, Pg. 46: "Ordinary supercars excel in the 125 to 185 mph speed range. Special supercars like the Bugatti demotivate the rest of the four-wheeled world between 185 and 250 mph. Silly velocity? impossible in today's traffic? Wrong, and wrong again. You're forgetting the Veyron's phenomenal stoping ability. With a combined deceleration force of 2.0g - that's 1.4g pulled by the car plus 0.6g added by the air brake - you can squash kinetic energy at a mind blowing rate." "No, I didn't venture into the final 20mph (i.e. 230-250mph) zone on public roads. But I can report that 230mph in this supercoup on steroids feels about as wild and daring as 150mph does in a regular sports car." If big 'ol fat Georg Kacher was doing 230mph in a Veyron, so would a decent bunch of those Veyron owners who will actually drive their car. Care to go further? This is merely the 'tip of the iceberg' in terms of supporting evidence. I am attempting to be objective. Are you?

The "back roads" they are talking about are not true "back roads" but rather smooth ribbons of select asphalt for spirited drives more like select 2 lane autobahns than true bumpy B-Roads.

Witness what happens when you go try g0 180mph on actual B-Roads.. present one smashed Enzo.. and the only reason there were not a Ruf, CGT and SLR etc etc all piled up on the Enzo is because thats the onyl car that went through the bumpy B-road at 180mph.

**yawn**

When I see an Enzo or CGT runnign around proper back roads at speed, let alone a Veyron then I will even bother paying attention.

[tforth]

I wonder why they dont race with leaf springs in every racing catagory as it seems thats the best suspension for the smooth track surface and the best for bumby b-roads..... The supercar manufactors should really go to america and look at how it should be made IMO...

Yes, why is it that GM has been going to all that expense and trouble of testing at that mickey mouse track called Nuernburg something or other, when all of the best chassis development roads exist right in their own backyard?

I guess I misunderstood back roads as meaning off-highway. Clearly, the definition must be dirt/gravel paths, where they use the speed limit signs as target practice for their shot guns...

[RC45]

Originally Posted by tforth I wonder why they dont race with leaf springs in every racing catagory as it seems thats the best suspension for the smooth track surface and the best for bumby b-roads..... The supercar manufactors should really go to america and look at how it should be made IMO... Yes, why is it that GM has been going to all that expense and trouble of testing at that mickey mouse track called Nuernburg something or other, when all of the best chassis development roads exist right in their own backyard? I guess I misunderstood back roads as meaning off-highway. Clearly, the definition must be dirt/gravel paths, where they use the speed limit signs as target practice for their shot guns...

I never once mentined anything about leaf springs in my comment.

You people keep coming back to the same shit argument - not I.

The point is that on anything except smooth ribbons of pavement 180mph speeds are semi-controlled chaos.

The Nurburgrng is not laped at 180mph, but rather at the very speeds the quoted article speaks of - 125mph to 170mph.. the simple reality is that 180mph+ speeds on anythign except relatively smooth and nonundulating semi-winding roads is a deadly combination - for any god-damned car.

Again - witness the smashed Enzo.

I have to ask both of you, have you EVER tried to blast rhough B-Road countryside at 160mph or faster?

Have you ever been on non-race track surfaces at very high speed to see how quickly things can get undone?

This is the reality - and even the Nurburgring bears witness to this - note the very untidy accidents that happen when the speed of the section of road is exceeded.

Now there is no way in hell that the Veyron would be able to be better than the lighter CGT/Enzo et al through certain sections at an even higher speed... and until such time as I see an Enzo or CGT succesfully go through sections of B-Road at 180mph that otherwise cannot be passed at even 150mph, then I wont even bother with paying attention to all this fan-boy crap about the Veyron.

Even if in the end a Veyron lapped the Nurburgring faster than a CGT I stil wouldnt care, because unlike a Radical that has a lower top speed than the CGT but higher cornering speed and there for deserves attention and respect, the Veyron would have to rely on 245mph straight speeds to cut off the 15 seconds lost as it wallowed like an over wieght pig throuhg the bends at a lower speed than the CGT.

*yawn*

[TeflonTron]

Again: has anyone here actually driven a Veyron? Everyone that I've talked to that has driven one has said one thing: it grips and corners like nothing else they can compare it to.