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T-Bird · 06-19-2005, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by ZfrkS62

shit....is this going to be on Speed or CBS?!?! makes a differene as to where i'm going to watch it.

Well I watched Qualifying/practice on Speed and the Race is at 12:30 central on Speed tomorrow so basically Lemans from now till the end tomorrow morning then the after show stuff, followed by some Nascar show then the Grand Prix warm ups followed by Speed News then the race. Man I love this DVR digital Cable shit. what's reall fucked up is that they cutoff Lemans to show a Nascar Truck race then back to Lemans then Later they cut away to some Hooters Pro Am racing shit. but now till the end it's all Lemans so those hicks wanting their nascar this weekend are fucked between Lemans and the US Grand Prix (which I have to record due to work.

ZfrkS62 · 06-19-2005, 12:58 AM

sweet. Thanks T-bird.

T-Bird · 06-19-2005, 01:14 AM

no problems man

EDIT: it seems the grand prix of Portland? is on Tomorrow at 2:30 on CBS...

|Nuno| · 06-19-2005, 09:42 AM

Update on the Tyre Situation:

ccording to reports from the French AFP agency, Michelin did dispatch a new batch of tyres from France yesterday evening to arrive at Indianapolis this morning.

Details of meetings last night between the team bosses, Michelin, the teams and the FIA have not been made public but it is clear that Michelin will not change their advice to the teams and give them their blessing to race this afternoon with the current tyres.

Bringing new tyres to the race creates its own problems as the teams have no track experience with the particular compound at Indianapolis and even if that were not an issue, Michelin needs to get the three Bridgestone-shod teams and the FIA to agree any change in tyre mid Grand Prix weekend.

On top of that, Michelin has stated that they do not know the causes of Friday’s tyre problems and by simply bringing in a new batch of rubber, may not correct their problems.

There has also been suggestions that a chicane could be placed in the final banked turn, but this too has issues, not least in terms of car setup, gearbox ratios and of course the fact this would be seen to be helping Michelin in what is a sporting contest with Bridgestone.

There is the possibility that the seven Michelin equipped teams – Renault, McLaren, Williams, Toyota, Red Bull, Sauber and BAR – simply may not take part in the 73-lap race leaving just the six Bridgestone-shod starters.

Ultimately in Formula One, money is king and a solution will probably be found to enable all contracts to be met between the teams, suppliers, television companies, FOM, paying-public, and Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
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I guess we'll have to wait for the race to see what happens...

SFDMALEX · 06-19-2005, 09:52 AM

Oh baby! Lets see what Ferrari does, we all know Ferrari and politics

|Nuno| · 06-19-2005, 10:03 AM

Check this out:

Letter to the FIA, by Michelin:

Letter from Representatives of Michelin to Charlie Whiting, the FIA Formula One Race Director:

Saturday June 18 2005
Indianapolis

Charlie Whiting, FIA Race Director and Safety delegate

Dear Mr Whiting

Having analysed and fully evaluated the tyre failures that have occurred over the Indianapolis Grand Prix practice sessions we have been unable to identify a root cause.

The current rules and timescale do not permit the use of an alternative tyre solution and the race must be performed with the qualifying tyres.

Michelin has in the sole interest of safety informed its partner teams that we do not have total assurance that all tyres that qualified the cars can be used unless the vehicle speed in turn 13 can be reduced.

Michelin very much regrets this situation, but has taken this decision after careful consideration and in the best interests of safety at the event.

We trust that the FIA can understand our position and we remain at your disposal if you want any further information.

Pierre Dupasquier
Michelin Motorsport Director

Nick Shorrock
Director of Michelin F1 activities

Cc:
Bernie Ecclestone
Michelin teams
Ron Dennis (West McLaren-Mercedes)
Flavio Briatore (Mild Seven Renault F1)
Frank Williams (BMW WilliamsF1 Team)
Peter Sauber (Sauber Petronas)
Christian Horner (Red Bull Racing)
Nick Fry (B-A-R Honda)
John Howett (Panasonic Toyota Racing)

FIA's answer:

Letter from Charlie Whiting, the FIA Formula One Race Director, in reply to above letter from Representatives of Michelin:

19 June, 2005

Dear Mr Dupasquier,
Dear Mr Shorrock,

We have received your letter of 18 June.

We are very surprised that this difficulty has arisen. As you know, each team is allowed to bring two different types of tyre to an event so as to ensure that a back-up (usually of lower performance) is available should problems occur. It is hard to understand why you have not supplied your teams with such a tyre given your years of experience at Indianapolis.

That the teams you supply are not in possession of such a tyre will also be a matter for the FIA to consider in due course under Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.

No doubt you will inform your teams what is the maximum safe speed for their cars in Turn 13. We will remind them of the need to follow your advice for safety reasons. We will also ask them to ensure their cars do not obstruct other competitors.

Some of the teams have raised with us the possibility of running a tyre which was not used in qualifying. We have told them this would be a breach of the rules to be considered by the stewards. We believe the penalty would not be exclusion but would have to be heavy enough to ensure that no team was tempted to use qualifying tyres in the future.

Another possibility would be for the relevant teams repeatedly to change the affected tyre during the race (we understand you have told your teams the left rear is safe for a maximum of ten laps at full speed). If the technical delegate and the stewards were satisfied that each change was made because the tyre would otherwise fail (thus for genuine safety reasons) and that the relevant team were not gaining an advantage, there would be no penalty. If this meant using tyres additional to a teamsï¿½ allocation, the stewards would consider all the circumstances in deciding what penalty, if any, to apply.

Finally, it has been suggested that a chicane should be laid out in Turn 13. I am sure you will appreciate that this is out of the question. To change the course in order to help some of the teams with a performance problem caused by their failure to bring suitable equipment to the race would be a breach of the rules and grossly unfair to those teams which have come to Indianapolis with the correct tyres.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie Whiting
FIA Formula One Race Director

cc: Bernie Ecclestone
Ron Dennis (West McLaren-Mercedes)
Flavio Briatore (Mild Seven Renault F1)
Frank Williams (BMW WilliamsF1 Team)
Peter Sauber (Sauber Petronas)
Christian Horner (Red Bull Racing)
Nick Fry (B-A-R Honda)
John Howett (Panasonic Toyota Racing)
Jean Todt (Scuderia Ferrari)
Colin Kolles (Jordan Grand Prix)
Paul Stoddart (Minardi F1 Team)

Formula One Press Corps

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We will also ask them to ensure their cars do not obstruct other competitors

LMAO!! I'm picturing right now a Minardi lapping the Michelin teams.

SFDMALEX · 06-19-2005, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by mrmojo77

Would it be FIA to blame or teams?

Teams, rules are rules, and its just not right for them to use a new tire cause they have performance issues with the current one. Up to them to bring the right tire.

So Michelin fucked up and now everyone has to suffer

Max Power · 06-19-2005, 11:50 AM

I hear that some teams might take the start and then retire...this tire rule is a load of crock...but then again minardi have never finished on the podium :shock:

SFDMALEX · 06-19-2005, 12:01 PM

/\/\/\ Yep, stupid tire rule, first it hit Ferrari, now it hit Michelin......

ZfrkS62 · 06-19-2005, 12:20 PM

Kimi has said he wants to race!!

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From www.f1racing.net

19 June 2005
Cool Kimi ignores tyre menace

Kimi Raikkonen is taking a typically cool approach to Michelin's Indy F1 tyre debacle. McLaren's Finn, desperate to further close the gap to championship leader Fernando Alonso, vowed not to worry about a Ralf Schumacher-like failure on the flat out oval banking.

"I think they'll be ok," the 25-year-old said after snaring a front row look at the first corner in qualifying. "Maybe we need to be careful but I will still go as fast as I can. It's a little bit difficult. Michelin is telling us what they think should be done but we want to go out and win the race."

Pole sitter Jarno Trulli, meanwhile - at the wheel of the offending Toyota, accused of running dangerously low tyre pressures on Friday - admitted to not feeling totally confident with the car. "I don't know what will happen," he acknowledged. "I don't think it's our car, it's not set up and it's not pressure -- it's something else."
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I think Kimi is telling Michelin to fuck off

ViperASR · 06-19-2005, 01:46 PM

I think that it is a problem with the tire itself. They want a chicane or no race. The FIA is telling all the teams to go to the grid, and they are in a meeting about the race right now.

ViperASR · 06-19-2005, 02:04 PM

6 cars racing as of now, thats just sad....... At least Minardi or Jordan will get a podeum position.

sameerrao · 06-19-2005, 02:09 PM

Am I glad I didnt pay the big bucks to go watch the race live! Fncking Michelin!

1-2-3-4-5-6 Bridgestone assuming all cars finish

DTM8 · 06-19-2005, 02:10 PM

wow, what a blow to american fans considering that many payed top dollar.

antonioledesma · 06-19-2005, 02:11 PM

fuck!!!
I'm glad I didn't go to indy

not watching the race, but reading the live timing and I'm surprised