For Nthfinity, and Vector Lovers

[sentra_dude]

Well I found these pics in a FerrariChat thread, and I figured, I can't keep them from a fellow car-nut, no matter how much I think the car in the pics has hideous styling inside & out, has a nasty sound, has a blasphemous gearbox, and makes me want to puke !











And if you've seen them already well shiiiit

[dutchmasterflex]

Now those are some Hooers!

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by sentra_dude Well I found these pics in a FerrariChat thread, and I figured, I can't keep them from a fellow car-nut, no matter how much I think the car in the pics has hideous styling inside & out, has a nasty sound, has a blasphemous gearbox, and makes me want to puke ! And if you've seen them already well shiiiit

wait a minute, what thread were those in, That is my friend's car/back yard... and two of his friends (at least at some point... i though for a moment the one on the left is his sister-in-law; but the photos are too low res to tell)

what a beautiful car!
thankfully, it doesn't matter what you think of the interior/exterior styling; as it will still blow the doors off even cars like the CGT; and give the Enzo a run for it's money.

[sentra_dude]

lol, I don't give a shit how fast that car is, its butt-ugly and has a 3 spd automatic. Not to mention, how good can it be if the car has only been driven ~650 miles in 14 or 15 years?

LOL, a veeery good thread dude, "Let's see pretty girls with Ferraris"

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34672 I think around page 50 (of 80 something) or so...if you have to look around to find the pics its not that big of a deal, since there are many good pics in that thread. 8)

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by sentra_dude lol, I don't give a shit how fast that car is, its butt-ugly and has a 3 spd automatic. Not to mention, how good can it be if the car has only been driven ~650 miles in 14 or 15 years? LOL, a veeery good thread dude, "Let's see pretty girls with Ferraris" http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34672 I think around page 50 (of 80 something) or so...if you have to look around to find the pics its not that big of a deal, since there are many good pics in that thread. 8)

thanks

oh, as to being driven 650 miles... JP's car has somewhere around 40,000 miles; and I think one of the texas cars has 20,000 miles.... the fact is, there are so few that many don't drive them much... but the reliability, speed, handling, and polarizing design make it an amazing car.

Kurt is one of the few who doesn't drive much, and is in fact the lowest milage Vector W8. The reason why he doesn't drive it is to preserve at least one for all time (within his lifetime) It literally is a part of him, a part of his history.

[khaled.f]

Hi.

For people who don't know about Vectors, this is only one of 4 main types of Vectors, & while at it, there might be a new one coming in the near future...& it could be a new version of the previous WX3 , or an all new model (maybe close to the prototype penned by the German designer Stefan Schulz- search for it on the net by the name V8 turbo)...

[nthfinity]

I'm not a fan of what Jerry has penned (well, mock up 1:1 prototype) , and I'm quite sure that Jerry wouldn't have another designer design his car.

Khaled,
W2
W8
AWX (coupe and roadster)

most konw that
some would include
M12
SRV8

but not me

[khaled.f]

You're right nthfinity- it's not like him to let some one draw his cars, but any way, one way or another, I think it's high time Vector re-emerged again; there are so many Supercars out there now, that it's a big shame that Vector would not be among them...let's wait & see...

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by khaled.f You're right nthfinity- it's not like him to let some one draw his cars, but any way, one way or another, I think it's high time Vector re-emerged again; there are so many Supercars out there now, that it's a big shame that Vector would not be among them...let's wait & see...

If that were to happen, Vector would need to re assemble many of the original aeromotive team that spent hard years in Wilmington, CA... they spent 30,000,000$ to build 22 cars (17 production, 2 pre prods, W2 prototype, 2 AWX cars) and nobody lived anywhere near lavishly. 15 years has passed, and nearly everybody has moved on from Vector because they had to; and many of them are now very highly paid individuals, some running thier own very successful companies. The quality assembled all those years ago could've only happened the way that it did once... some of the greatest talent in the automotive, and racing world all were working on that one project... They were all enthusiasts who believed in the project, and didn't care that the money wasn't there at the beginning... so many years later, it would be impossible to get such talent back together IMHO.

I'd like nothing more then for Jerry to get the W2 back together, and build up the remaining rolling chassis... and then go from there... but the current design isn't Vector like it once was... it isn't that it can't be... but it was the team that made the car, not just the dream of the man...

I'd say a lot more, but not in a public forum

[khaled.f]

I still have hope that if he actually started again, he would stumble on some able workers & crafts men- I mean granted the ones worked with him before were really special, but I think if he searched these days, he would find enough to get started again. As for him to start again with the W2, this is exactly what I wish him to do; as a matter of fact, of the 2 german proposals, I kinda preferred the one that reminded me with the W2- one thing for sure: the W2 still is the favorite Vector to die-hard Vector fans...

[TopGearNL]

I don't think the car is beautiful but it is a true supercar!

Thanks for the pics!

[nthfinity]

I hope you aren't talking about these poor renders

You can read my opinion on themhere

Yes, the W2 with the high dowforce wing is my personal favorite, in black (well, mirror black like JP's car)

For sure, able craftsmen exist... but you must also remember the Vector W8 was extra special in it's construction meathods. They were/are so far advanced, and presice, still no other car maker makes cars to this same set of standards of certification. Williams International invited the engineers of Vector Aeromotive to "share" the building processes of the W8 back in 1990... and Williams has been at the forefront of aerospace design since the 70's, and were able to learn and implement quite a bit... unfortunately, the tech share didn't go both ways

Engineering a car, and engineering a car to military fighter specifications is no small feat for even experienced tradesman, and engineers. The Vector was designed to be relatively maintainence free for the life of it's owner, a driven life expectancy of 90 years. Some cars are in worse condition because of poor normal maintainence (changing fluids regularly, spark plugs periodically, correct fuel...) while other cars are in worse condition because the owner thought it nessisary to "modify" the car, or a few other select cercumstances which I cannot speak of in public. ... yet even those cars are all able to be restored back to original condition, and will last just the same.

well driven modern supercars with carbon Fibre tubs have a life expectancy of 10 years, more if not exposed to the elements. The VEctor tub is an aluminum honeycomb semi monicoque with nearly 5000 aircraft standard chrom molly rivets, and epoxy resin to hold the car true and steady. Only after seasons of racing the car on a track would any signs of chassis flex start to show, which would only be noticible on the lap time, and feel vs. a car w/out the track tested age... just like the other lauminum tub race cars... yet they are all 100% drivable on the track 25 years later (porsche 962 race cars with non refreshed chassis) .

Jerry has the W2, but the indonesians took the car apart when the ripped him off illegally... from what I'm told, he has no want to put it back together, which I feel is an unfortunate desicion. Think of the interest people would have seeing that thing drive up to the new Crystal Cove!!!

If Vector were still building cars today, and the takeover never happened, there would be a 1200-1500 twin turbo 9 liter V12 vector maited with a 6-7 speed DSG box running damn near 300 mph (actually, one W8 is said to be able to reach 300, and on 93 octane, it runs 980ish hp on "low" boost) ... but that vector W8 "doesn't " exist

[khaled.f]

As a reply for topgearNL, Vectors are not meant to be beautiful in a Ferrari sort of way, the general concept initialised by their creator was to create a "fighter jet for the road" rather than a beautifully penned car- it's angular shape did exactly that & stunned the world back then in the 70's & 80's, but in the nowadays world of ultra aerodynamic cars with flowing lines, the old generation Vectors don't actually fit the image, that's why the most possible new version of the Vector to come (if it' back) is the 90's more aerodynamic WX3-with slight modifications. But the Vector is just more than an evaluation for a car body: credit must be given to the man who in the 80's thought of airbags, heads-up-displays, & Kevlar, not to mention the "fighter jet for the road" theory, resulting in many parts that were not inspired by jet fighters, but actually taken from them, like instruments,seat belts, switch gears, & many more...

[khaled.f]

Couldn't agree more nthfinity. I had replied to topgearNL before your reply, which actually supports what I had said- people usually talk about Vectors from just the looks point of view, because they don't know much about the way they were built, the amazing attention to detail, the exotic material used in the process...etc- as a matter of fact , while surfing the net about the Vector, I am often quite surprised about how most Americans know so little about the Vector! This car should be presented more to the public, big time, & in my opinion, nothing would be more successful in doing that than a Hollywood block buster movie- may seem a crazy idea, but this should bring many benefits to the car...as for the renders, they might be a little premature, but I think if they would be adjusted, they just might give a nice beginning for a new Vector...

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by TopGearNL I don't think the car is beautiful but it is a true supercar! Thanks for the pics!

I feel the rear of the W8 is unfinished, and a bit flat; that is where the AWX 3 comes in, as the rear is complete, and not left wanting to look at another angle. but, everywhere else, I feel the Vector is a masterpiece of design.

Khaled, You might be surprised to hear how aerodynamically efficiant the Vector W8 is. The W8 in "testing" reached V max 5 times, 3 of which were on PCH, the other two were on the Bonneville Salt Flats... 242 mph, at max RPM.

A few components were changed from the earliest of W8's to the newest of W8's based on honed wind tunnel testing, such as removing the "gills" and making more swept intake ducting throughout. For a car so wide, you will find few out there with such a low coeficient of drag. (less then .33 Cd)

The AWX3 was going to exentuate on aerodynamic eficiancy, and some of the advancements were even optional equipment on the W8 (mirror delete, in place of rear view camera) which nobody had ordered up through that point. there was even an optional 3 seat configuration in the W8.

I agree that is unfortunate how many young people know about the W8... but anybody who has been reading car magazines for the last 15 years almost certainly has heard stories about it

One of hte most interesting was the first time that Top Wheels was testing the W2 prototype, where the jurnalists lost interest in the car, and decided to race the Testerossa, and Countach against each other. Jerry wouldn't have any of it once he heard what was going on (by the loud V12's screaming away leaving the vector parked.

Jerry started up, and floored it, right about the time they were a 1/4 mile away, and by the end of the mile run, the W2 was nearly a 1/4 mile ahead! Immediately, the Vector was the center of attention