Blu-Ray vs HD DVD

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by Max Power no way MS is gonna fold... :roll:

No one is saying they are folding. I am just saying that Universal might be thinking of not be exclusive to HD-DVD anymore.

In regards to MS, I point again to my earlier arguement that there has been plenty of gaming console that has have proprietary plateforms and still turn out great.

This arguement goes for both the PS3 and Xbox 360.

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by ArsTechnica HD DVD opens up early lead with standalone players, consoles different story 1/15/2007 9:38:25 PM, by Jacqui Cheng Is there an early winner in the next-gen format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray? New data from Adams Media Research says that about 695,000 consumers in the US own either a Blu-ray or HD DVD player. Upon first glance, it appears as if the players are selling relatively well and that Blu-ray is winning the format war. Making sense of the data, however, is difficult. President and Senior Analyst Tom Adams spoke with Ars Technica concerning his firm's findings, which were first published in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. According to Adams Media Research, roughly 425,000 of the 695,000 next-gen players sold recently are Blu-ray players—about 61 percent of units in the wild. Comparatively, HD DVD accounts for 270,000 units, or roughly 39 percent. Presented this way, Blu-ray looks to have a significant lead. Yet only 25,000 of those Blu-ray players were purchased as standalone units (that is, dedicated Blu-ray players), with the other 400,000 coming in the form of the Sony PS3. The big question here is whether or not PS3 purchases are signs of consumer interest in Blu-ray, per se. Compare this situation to HD DVD: 120,000 units were purchased as standalone players, with another 150,000 units coming in the form of HD DVD upgrade kits on Xbox 360s. (The Xbox 360 does not come with HD DVD, but a $200 HD DVD addon appeared on the market shortly before the 2006 holiday season.) All told, a hair over 79 percent of all next-gen DVD players are tied to gaming consoles in some way or another. That means that so far, only 21 percent of next-gen players sold were bought by consumers as standalone units. Further, sales of HD DVD standalone units outpaced Blu-ray units by nearly 5 times as many units, comprising almost 83 percent of standalone purchases versus Blu-ray's 17 percent of the same. Presented this way, HD DVD appears to have more momentum than Blu-ray. In either case, standalone sales are still not stellar, although Adams told Ars that low standalone numbers did not necessarily mean that there was weak demand for the players. "[HD DVD and Blu-ray] standalone (non-game) lagged last year mainly because of supply issues, not demand," he told Ars. "Components, especially the new blue-laser diodes, were in short supply, and Sony in particular diverted as much as it could get to the PS3," Adams said. "Game machines are typically adopted at much faster rates than consumer electronics products—tens of millions of homes in 3-4 years versus millions," Adams continued. "Yes, there is some hesitation [to buy standalone units] because of the format war, but the target market of early adopters typically buys most new technologies soon upon availability, even if there's the chance they'll be obsoleted eventually." So who is really winning the next-gen format war? Sales in 2007 are likely to solidify numbers for both formats, although HD DVD looks to be getting off on a better foot for now judging by standalone player sales. On the flipside, market research firm Forrester recently said that they believe that Blu-ray will be the winner in the long run due to the greater volume of available content in Blu-ray format. There has also been a question of whether hybrid players would put the war to rest or just offer a convenient alternative for indecisive customers while the format war rages on.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8625.html

[black_magician]

the only reason to buy blu-Ray wsa the extra capacity on a BR disk. HD-DVD just released a 51GB DVD to beat Blu-Ray's 50GB. so the only reason to buy blu-ray is gone. it's too expensive, and doesn't even hold 51GB. F**k Sony, buy HD-DVD.

[HeilSvenska]

Hmmmm. You see, in a way, both fail to give "normal" customers compelling reason to by them. I know gamimg will greatly benefit from this, but who else really needs a 50GB disk?

[David Hasselhoff]

I am about to launch HD-DHD, the High Def David Hasselhof Disk - we have designed to be almost as full of itself as I am - the first movies will be released in Germany (of course - for my Uber-Fans) and will hold approx 515 TB of data per disk.

We have been able to get almost 1/3 of my ego onto a 4 disc set.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by black_magician the only reason to buy blu-Ray wsa the extra capacity on a BR disk. HD-DVD just released a 51GB DVD to beat Blu-Ray's 50GB. so the only reason to buy blu-ray is gone. it's too expensive, and doesn't even hold 51GB. F**k Sony, buy HD-DVD.

No HD movies play 1080p yet, so all that data space goes to waste.. and the XBox360 doesn't use the HD-DVD as a games delivery system - and M$ say it never wiil

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by black_magician the only reason to buy blu-Ray wsa the extra capacity on a BR disk. HD-DVD just released a 51GB DVD to beat Blu-Ray's 50GB. so the only reason to buy blu-ray is gone. it's too expensive, and doesn't even hold 51GB. F**k Sony, buy HD-DVD.

1. HD Dvd fanboy, know the facts

2. It's 51GB (17 per layer) and apparently a boost to 1.5x for the drive speed. So basically, they are trying to duplicate BD specs.

3. It's a technology PROPOSAL that would need to be put before the DVD Forum (earliest for ratification Q4 2007).

4. A drive speed increase would mean most (all?) current players would be incompatible.

5. it would be nearly impossible for the B/V diodes in the current HD DVD players to read a 17GB and a 15GB layer with the same NA, they would need to make a whole new type of diode to cope with the new disc structure. This is the same reason why the TDK BD200 could never be used in current players as it uses 33.3GB per layer, giving a different track pitch to the normal 25GB per layer. The BD100 from Panasonic has been sampled for mass production, but only for BR-R/RE use and it is a quad layer disc, using the normal 25GB/layer structure. We will never see this used for movies, that is if it exists.

[RC45]

Number 1 being that there is a game console that can natively use the disc format.

So now there is no techinical reason to not have 1080p graphics ability

[Max Power]

4weeks running...

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by ComputerWorld Sony says no to porn on Blu-ray Disc Dan Nystedt and Martyn Williams January 19, 2007 (IDG News Service) Sony Corp. said it will not work with the adult film industry to help put its movies on its Blu-ray Disc format, although the company will not try to stop it completely. The company will not allow its disc-replicating subsidiary, Sony DADC Global, to handle adult film titles, it said this week. In markets where Sony operates around the world, it won't duplicate any movies that are above a certain rating or that have not been certified by a local motion picture association. Sony wouldn't disclose exactly where it draws the line, but the rule means that adult movie makers will have to find someone else to reproduce their films in bulk. While other companies offer such services, the adult industry feels it is being cut out of the Blu-ray camp altogether. The choice of which high-definition disc format to use was "kind of made for us, so everything we are replicating right now is in the HD-DVD format," said Robby D, a director at popular adult film maker Digital Playground Inc. "As far as I understand, Sony has said to the replicators that if you replicate adult, you'll lose your license." Sony's decision to stay away from pornography could have wide implications for Blu-ray Disc. Not only could some companies backing Sony's format miss out on a lucrative market, but analysts say it could eventually mean that Blu-ray loses out to HD-DVD in the battle to become the next-generation DVD format. Many believe that Sony's Betamax video tape format, while technologically superior to VHS, died because the adult movie industry was barred from using Betamax, noted Jake Richter, an analyst at Jon Peddie Research in Tiburon, Calif. "Is Sony doomed to repeat one of the mistakes of the past? It seems like that may be the case," he wrote in a report. Several adult film companies said the issue is not just about gaining access to the "stampers" that reproduce their movies in bulk, but about their inability to get help with technical issues from the companies backing Blu-ray Disc. "Nobody comes out and says, 'No, we won't work with adult.' But Blu-ray just offers no help," said Jackie Ramos, vice president of DVD production at Wicked Pictures, another popular adult movie company. The Blu-ray Disc Association, which oversees the licensing of the technology, says it has not banned anyone from using the format. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with the best possible high definition home entertainment experience," the group said in a statement. One major adult film company, Vivid Video, plans to release a sequel to the classic Debbie Does Dallas on both Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD this spring, its first high-definition video offering. A spokesman for the company, Shylar Cobi, declined to comment on how Vivid would gain access to stampers but said he does not expect it to be a problem. Still, several other adult film companies interviewed said the industry as a whole plans to use HD-DVD because of the problems of working with Blu-ray Disc. Wicked Pictures chose HD-DVD for the first-ever high-definition adult film released this month at the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas. Several other companies plan to release high-definition movies this year, including Digital Playground, which is releasing its first HD-DVD title this week. "Sony is really protective of proprietary information and proprietary products, especially when it comes to the adult market. Sony is always a little more standoffish and hands-away from it," said Jay Grdina, president of adult entertainment company ClubJenna Inc.

Another reason to get HD-DVD?

[RC45]

Blu-Ray just lost the fight.

[Pimp Racer]

Originally Posted by RC45 Blu-Ray just lost the fight.

Sadly I have to agree man. Shit Blu Ray is just gonna suck now since there is no...."special" movies for "bigger" people. I just wanna know what the fucking hell is Sony thinking? They must have some balls thinking they can get Blu Ray to be successful without any of the adult industry.

[TNT]

i think that blu-ray wasn't every really going to get off the ground and now it seems they have put the nails in the coffin.

[Max Power]

Blu-ray just doesn't want to display the rinkled worn out rugs and their hairy beer belly ho partners in HD so that the consumer doesn't throw up at their $5k 1080p Plasma and have to replace it under the vomit inducing porno warranty clause
...or maybe this IS the end

Originally Posted by TNT i think that blu-ray wasn't every really going to get off the ground and now it seems they have put the nails in the coffin.

i hope that you are kidding, otherwise :wanker:

[McLaren4eVa]

Originally Posted by David Hasselhof I am about to launch HD-DHD, the High Def David Hasselhof Disk - we have designed to be almost as full of itself as I am - the first movies will be released in Germany (of course - for my Uber-Fans) and will hold approx 515 TB of data per disk. We have been able to get almost 1/3 of my ego onto a 4 disc set.

I'd like to see the day. Bloody germans