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Old 10-22-2006, 02:22 AM   #1
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Default Steering/Suspension Alignment guide (corrected/updated)

Ok, i know i need to get moving on finishing the project i started for this section a few months ago, and moving is no excuse anymore, especially since i only work 3 days a week :roll: So hopefully, i can now make some progress on these things...
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The sheet in the link above is a printout of what the technician sees whenever you bring your vehicle in for an alignment. At first glance, it can be confusing and seemingly made in some kind of code deciphered by a lost language. But fear not. It is actually not that difficult to understand, and this guide is going to crack the code for you.

This sheet is divided into two parts. Front and Rear.
Front is the 3 angles on the side and some in the middle. How many and which ones are in the middle will vary from program to program. Rear is usually 2 angles on the side, and 1 or 2 in the middle.

And now, let the deciphering begin

Angles

These 3 are the measurements on the Left and Right side of the page, both front and rear.

Camber

If you look at a car from straight on, you will notice the wheels are not straight up and down. They have a certain amount of tilt to them. This is called Camber and it's measured in degrees and minutes (0.1 on the sheet is read as 0 degrees, 1 minute). If the top of the tire tilts in towards the car, this is Negative Camber. Leaning out is Positive Caster.

This is represented in the read out as -0.2 and 0.1 on the example.

Excessive camber is the main cause for alignment related tire wear and can eat a tire in as little as 1500 miles in the worst cases. Wear patterns on tires show up as one shoulder of the tire being worn down while the other side may still have tread on it. (see Oscar's tire thread in Gen. Chat for example)

Your vehicle will generally pull or drift to the side with the most Positive Camber. This is because, a negative cambered tire will want to roll in a circle if you pushed it along the floor. The more positive it is, the closer to going straight it will roll. So, if you have one wheel cambered and one not, the cambered tire will push against the uncambered tire. With no resistance, the negative wheel will win and the car will pull.

Camber is mainly designed to offset road crown. Road crown is designed to allow water to flow off to the ditch when it rains.

Caster

Caster is an angle used to increase forward stability. These days, Caster is not generally adjustable and if it is off, something bad happened

If you look at the car from the side and draw a line up from the road, through the center of the axle, this would be the centerline for Zero. Now, draw a line through the center of the strut to where it intersects with the first line you drew. This is your Caster Angle. Caster, like Camber, is measured in degrees and minutes.

Leaning the strut towards the back of the vehicle gives you Positive Caster. The more Positive Caster you have, the more stable the vehicle will be in a straight line, but the harder it will be to return the steering wheel to center from turning. Positive Camber also increases low speed steering effort. Leaning it forward, obviously has the opposite effect as you go towards Negative Caster.

Caster is not a tire wearing angle.


Toe

Toe is the measurement of distance between the center of the front of the wheels, and the center of the back of the wheels. The difference between the two is your Toe. This is not a tire wearing angle in most cases, but if it is extreme enough, can feather the edges of the tires.

If the front of the tires are closer together than the rear of the tires, this is called Toe-In. If the front is further than the back, this is called Toe-Out.
During a turn, the outside tire will not be turned as much as the inside tire. This is called Toe-Out on Turns. This can really cause some understeer if not set correctly. In Go-Karts this can make or break your lap times. Toe is generally measured in fractions of an inch, but recently it has changed to degrees (as seen here) and i'm not quite sure where it's supposed to be measured from to obtain the reading.

Rear wheel drive vehicles will have a small amount of toe-in on the front. When the vehicle begins rolling, the forces will cause them to toe out, which will achieve a Zero Toe position.

There is a certain amount of sideways travel your wheels do as the vehicle is in motion. This is referred to as scrub, and it can affect your gas mileage quite a bit. There is a formula which i need to look up, but for every foot the vehicle travels forward, there is supposed to be a certain amount of lateral scrub. Toe is affected by Camber and should always be adjusted last.

These next angles are shown in the middle of the page.

Steer Ahead

This is a front end specific measurement. It is measure by the total toe and cross camber of the front end with the steering wheel centered.

When toe is correctly set, with the wheels straight ahead, the steering wheel is centered and Tie Rods adjusted until Steer Ahead reads 0.

With the wheels straight, if the steering wheel points to the right, you want to lengthen the left tie rod and shorten the right tie rod. This essentially turns the wheels to the right, which straightens the wheel. Do the opposite if the wheel points left.

Do not remove the steering wheel and put it back on straight. This will cause a huge problem in that you will now have an uneven amount of turns from center to lock between the left and right.

Thrust angle

Thrust Angle is the rear end's equivalent of Steer Ahead.

Draw a line down the center of the vehicle. You want your rear axle's measurements of total toe and cross camber to equal 0. If it's not zero, your axle isn't pointing straight and if bad enough, will cause the vehicle to "Dog Track". This baisically looks like you are drifting everywhere when going straight. Pretty funny if you ever see it

Cross Camber

I need to double check how this measurement is figured and what exactly it's good for, because in all honesty, i never use it.

Steering Axis Inclination Angle (SAI)

This is a front end specific angle and a combination of measurements obtained during the "Caster Sweep". The steering is turned form lock to lock and the changes in angles are measured by the machine. It's measured at a point 6 inches below the road surface. It's the inward tilt of the strut assembly in relation to a vertical line on the raod surface. This is not adjustable. If anything is bent, broken or out of whack, then this is not going to be within spec.

SAI results in self correcting forces that help the wheels return to a straight ahead position after cornering

Total Toe

Add up the left and right Toe measurments and this is the Total Toe. It tells you which way the axle is essentially pointing. This works for both axles.


I hope you have found this guide helpful. Most of what i have explained in terms of Angles apply to MacPherson Strut suspension set ups. Wishbone type suspensions are measured from the ball joints at the ends of the wishbones. I will explain this more thoroughly when i put up the Chassis section of my Theory sections...which i have been slacking off on hardcore.....
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:31 AM   #2
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nice write up!
ive always wondered what exactly it is...
thanks alot!
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:46 AM   #3
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Do yourself a favour and get some negative camber on your car oscar, did it to mine a while back and its a huge improvement (in addition to a few other adjustments/wheel alignment) for a low price ($100).
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Old 10-23-2006, 04:12 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by dingo
Do yourself a favour and get some negative camber on your car oscar, did it to mine a while back and its a huge improvement (in addition to a few other adjustments/wheel alignment) for a low price ($100).
he already has negative camber on it. that's part of the problem with the rear, but it's factory set.
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:00 PM   #5
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what problem with the rear?
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:26 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by dingo
what problem with the rear?
Looking from the top of the car:

Front toe
\ /

\ \
Rear toe

Thrust angle/steer ahead

Front steer ahead
\

\
Rear thrust angle

Total toe
\


Looking at the front of the car

left / | right

left / \ right

looking at the rear
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:08 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by phatbimmer
Or if your a hack you just tell them green = good :silly:
sadly there are customers that need that explained too
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:50 PM   #8
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This is awesome, finally... some "real" sence to what all that is.

My Backstory...

I currently drive an 86 VW GTI, that has major pull to the right. I have only owned the car for a few months (minimal driving as I work two blocks from home) Though the pull is no "major" concern, and neither is the fact that my steering wheel is not exactly center. It drives safe. I do have worn tires (you know, caused by bad alignment) I have finally gotten around to getting two new used tires for the front, as the rear are still in good shape. Though they are not on yet, just sitting in my trunk until after I get my alignment done.


I went into Fountain Tire (Canada) to get an alignment done on my car. They said they could do it by the end of the day. Right at the end of the day they phoned me just to tell me that my alignment is off (No Duh Stupid, that's why I am getting it done) I head over there with my boyfriend (he's a car guy) ... I then get shown my car on the lift hooked up to the alignment computer. Then they got extremly technical, and too me (and boyfriend) seemed like total bullshit. Something at one point was about removing some pin to adjust the caber, and that it will never drive straight, and the steering wheel wont be straight, I would have to remove it, then straighten it, place it back on... I dont care about a straight steering wheel, I just want my damn wheels to be aligned properly.

I will give you my numbers which are on the print out, and hopefully someone can tell me honestly weather I am being totally screwed over and that this is going to be a "difficult alignment - never drive totally straight ever type thing" or that this is something that can be fixed easily and that the idiots I am dealing with are complete assholes. I know I am over the safe "Green" area.

My Reading:

Left Front:
Caster: 1.4x
Camber: 0.4x
Toe: -0.15x

Right Front:
Caster: 1.1x
Camber: 0.8x
Toe: -0.15

Someone please help me!
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:01 AM   #9
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sounds like you're taking it to some complete asshats that don't know how to adjust toe

there is no reason that the steering wheel should never be able to be centered with an alignment. If this is somehow the case, get a new steering rack. The only pin they should have to knock out would be a pin on the top of the strut towers, and if you have those, then you have a bent strut (not unheard of for a car that age that probably has the original struts)

my suggestion is to take it to either the dealer, or an alignment specialty shop.

I could probably get your steering wheel straight without even mounting the sensors, but there's no guarantee it's within spec.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:30 PM   #10
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I am not worried about the straightness of the steering wheel, as it is at about 3'oclock.. if that does'nt get straight i dont care. I just want my car to stop pulling to the right, and drive in a straight line.

I'll call up the dealership mechanic and see what they have to say, as well as check out other options in the area. At least a mechanic speciality alignment place that deals mainly with volkswagons.

Though they can adjust the Toe, but they said it would be a problem fixing the Camber. It would still be off kilter, but they dont know how bad.

Would putting on my new tires first before the alignment change the Camber much? As my current tires are extremly worn, mainly on one side due to the Camber being off.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:42 PM   #11
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your camber isn't off much, so it's probably a bent strut or something simple.

Tires will never affect your camber. If the car stops pulling or doesnt' pull as much after putting the tires on, then there was a problem with the old set. But you still need the alignment adjusted.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:51 PM   #12
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Though on the sheet it says that the numbers have to be in the negative.

__ Min ---- Max
__ -0.8 ___ -0.2

My numbers were 0.4 (left front) and 0.8 (right front) both numbers in the positives...

Thanks your your responce ... I really appreciate all your help. I'll go bitch at the mechanics now.
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Old 12-08-2006, 03:36 PM   #13
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I have made some corrections and additions to the info contained in the first post. The new stuff is in Red text. I am still making a couple of changes so more red will show up fairly soon

My biggest error was the info as to which direction the car would pull with camber being knocked off. I thought it was to the side with the most Negative Camber, but it's in fact Positive.
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Awesome post!! Many a thanks
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