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nickthaskater · 07-09-2006, 03:23 PM

I looked at that exact list actually, and based my reply around it. That list is from 2002 or earlier, so I adjusted slightly for drivers like Ralf Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen, and the natural increase that has occurred over the last 4 years, and is only going to increase substantially again next season (for example, Ralf Schumacher is now making around 20 million, not ~6 million as reported back then). Also, don't forget to note that those dollar amounts are in british pounds, which equate to nearly double the amount when converted to USD.

And I never denied that there was a gap in salaries, hell, I clearly agreed on it, but you were going on about averages, and on average the modern salary is at the very least 2 million, excluding any outside income or race bonuses.

And by the way, I'm actually watching the NASCAR pre-race show at this very moment, just like I do every weekend, so you can be the one to go and weep thank you very much.

nthfinity · 07-09-2006, 05:23 PM

for example, Ralf Schumacher is now making around 20 million, not ~6 million as reported back then).

would a losing team really pay that much for a losing driver?

ralf is another case of a decent driver with either a good, great, or poor car in relation to the field

saadie · 07-09-2006, 05:26 PM

this is wrong

nickthaskater · 07-09-2006, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by nthfinity

for example, Ralf Schumacher is now making around 20 million, not ~6 million as reported back then).

would a losing team really pay that much for a losing driver?

ralf is another case of a decent driver with either a good, great, or poor car in relation to the field

I don't quite get what you're trying to say with your post, but yes Toyota does pay him that much, more than likely just for his last name, and I suspect because Toyota seems to love pissing away enormous amounts of money.

nthfinity · 07-09-2006, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by nickthaskater

Originally Posted by nthfinity

for example, Ralf Schumacher is now making around 20 million, not ~6 million as reported back then).

would a losing team really pay that much for a losing driver?

ralf is another case of a decent driver with either a good, great, or poor car in relation to the field

I don't quite get what you're trying to say with your post, but yes Toyota does pay him that much, more than likely just for his last name, and I suspect because Toyota seems to love pissing away enormous amounts of money.

just goes to show that pissing money around doesn't make you a contender.

Based on Ralf's last 3 seasons, i wouldn't pay him 20 mills...

dutchmasterflex · 07-09-2006, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by redheaded stepchild

this is wrong

How so?

Montoya wasn't going anywhere in F1.. unless Renault of Ferrari wanted to sign him.

His move to NASCAR will be good for both him and NASCAR.

Now if only they raced on more road circuits instead of ovals.

nickthaskater · 07-09-2006, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by dutchmasterflex

Originally Posted by redheaded stepchild

this is wrong

How so?

Montoya wasn't going anywhere in F1.. unless Renault of Ferrari wanted to sign him.

His move to NASCAR will be good for both him and NASCAR.

Now if only they raced on more road circuits instead of ovals.

Well BUSCH is heading up to Quebec next year for a road race, hopefully Cup will follow suit. Road races are pretty exciting with 43 big ass stock cars barrelling around, there definitely needs to be more of them.

saadie · 07-09-2006, 09:18 PM

hehe .. yeah he might do good on oval circuits

but really .... he should tuen to DTM or Le man or something ...

5vz-fe · 07-09-2006, 09:37 PM

Face that facts, he's crushed by Kimi. He prolly realize that also and will prolly not able to win the wc unless the current top 3 quits.

ae86_16v · 07-09-2006, 10:57 PM

Where ever the job goes I guess. But I gotta admit, this is quite a downgrade.

DeMoN · 07-09-2006, 11:25 PM

WOW well I always tried to find reasons as to why like him but last race he took out his own team and now this, he can screw himself in the a-hole.

666fast · 07-10-2006, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by ae86_16v

Where ever the job goes I guess. But I gotta admit, this is quite a downgrade.

Depends on who you ask.

I bet the Mexico race will be nuts.

SCarrier11 · 07-10-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by nickthaskater

How does that prove on average? I gave an example of the bottom of the barrel salary and suddenly that proves something?

I have told you before... I don't post or suggest bullshit. Here is an example of the type of data that is out there - if you bothered to look for it. It may be older data but all indications are the same salary spread is true.

http://www.indiacar.com/index2.asp?p...nfs/budget.htm

Read em and weep.

Formula 1 Drivers Salaries
An enormous gap exists between the top paid and the second, third and fourth highest paid drivers with Michael Schumacher's basic salary at Ј19.1 million compared to BAR driver, Jacques Villeneuve's, Mika Hakkinen's and Eddie Irvine's Ј6.3 million.

The top six is rounded off with Ralf Schumacher on Ј3.8 million followed by Rubens Barrichello in sixth place earning Ј3.5 million.

The rest of the drivers salaries are as follows:

Giancarlo Fisichella Ј2.5 million
Heinz-Harald Frentzen Ј2.2 million
Jarno Trulli Ј2.0 million
Jean Alesi Ј1.9 million
David Coulthard Ј1.7 million
Ricardo Zonta Ј1.7million
Mika Salo Ј1.5 million
Alex Wurz Ј956,000
Johnny Herbert Ј796,000
Nick Heidfeld Ј637,000
Jenson Button Ј191,000
Jos Verstappen Ј159,000
Marc Gene Nil
Gaston Mazzcane Ј1.2 million
Pedro Diniz Ј5.0 million
Pedro de la Rosa Ј5.0 million

On average, F1 drivers are underpaid in relation to other drivers.

You are just angry because you hate NASCAR, and it turns out to be more of a money maker than your precious F1.

For the record I dislike both racing series

JOLIET, Ill. -- Why would Juan Pablo Montoya trade Monte Carlo and Melbourne for Darlington and Martinsville -- and likely take a pay cut in the process? Montoya, who won the Indianapolis 500 in 2000, will try to translate his open-wheel success to NASCAR.

The Formula One star said he's looking for a more enjoyable atmosphere and a new racing challenge, and thinks he'll find it in NASCAR next year.

"It's not how many millions you're making or how much money you're making," Montoya said at Chicagoland Speedway on Sunday. "It's a matter of, three years down the line, are you going to be excited at what you're doing or not? And three years down the line, when I look at my career, I'll be a lot happier doing this."

5vz-fe · 07-10-2006, 01:18 AM

I am sure he will be miserable in NASCAR.

Toronto · 07-10-2006, 01:36 AM

he can't drive, so it went into an non-driving sport...

plain and simple.