Go Back   Sports Car Forum - MotorWorld.net > Automotive Brands Forum > Porsche

Porsche Porsche - the finest German Cars



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-23-2004, 10:55 AM   #91
TT
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
Posts: 23,178
Default

Wow dude, thanks again for the new load! And we already reached the GT2
__________________
TT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2004, 12:53 PM   #92
gis
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lancashire,United Kingdom
Posts: 3,846
Default

AWESOME,now thats the one i been waiting for.i love the 996 GT2,i want one lol.
__________________

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5803/dansigsp7.jpg
gis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 07:26 AM   #93
st-anger
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: AT
Posts: 1,611
Default

Porsche Carrera GT

Highlights

The Porsche Carrera GT refines the undiluted character of a racing car to provide an unprecedented driving experience of a unique kind. Indeed, the car's performance figures provide a clear picture of what to expect right from the start, the Carrera GT requiring a mere 9.9 seconds to accelerate from 0 – 200 km/h or 124 mph. And this top-flight athlete offers new records and achievements never seen before in many other areas, too.




Pure design in beautiful style

Through its design language alone, the Carrera GT expresses its truly outstanding performance as an uncompromising, no-nonsense supersports. But contrary to prototypes conceived only for racing, the design of the Carrera GT, despite the re-interpretation of existing features and the use of design elements never seen before, shows a convincing resemblance in design to Porsche's production cars, even providing a certain reminiscence of Porsche's legendary racing cars. The typical Porsche face with the front lid swept back like an arrow and the elevated wheel arches, for example, take up the design of the legendary Porsche 718 RS Spyder back in the '60s, giving particular thrust and power to the front view of the Carrera GT. Seen from the side, in turn, the Carrera GT gains further dynamism through ist firm, stretched-out shoulder line. The mid-engine concept, finally, is clearly accentuated by the forward-moving cockpit and the long gap between the door and the rear axle.




Lightweight technology through and through

Porsche's philosophy to concentrate on the essential comes out particularly in the Carrera GT through the use of consistent lightweight technology in every respect. Measuring 4.61 metres or 181.5" in length, 1.92 metres or 75.6" in width, 1.16 metres or 45.7" in height, and with wheelbase of 2.73 metres or 107.5", the Carrera GT weighs in at an ideal unladen weight of 1380 kilos or 3043 lb.




Magnificent power and muscle

The ten-cylinder power unit behind the cockpit of the Carrera GT is based on a 5.5-litre normal aspiration engine which, as a thoroughbred racing machine, might also have been raced in the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Increasing engine capacity for the Carrera GT to 5.7 litres, Porsche's engineers have now achieved maximum output of 450 kW (612 bhp) at 8000 rpm and maximum torque of 590 Newton metres (435 lb-ft) at 5750 rpm. Top speed is 330 km/hor 205 mph. And despite its racing character, this ten-cylinder is fully suited for everyday motoring also at low engine speeds.




Innovative six-speed gearbox in transverse arrangement

The gearbox providing an additional transmission feature compared with a conventional transversely-mounted gearbox is one of the truly outstanding innovations in the Carrera GT. The transmission incorporates a two-stage upright transmission unit between the outgoing main shaft and the axle drive, serving in particular to allow smaller combinations of gears thanks to the additional transmission ratio. A further feature is the hollow design of the first main shaft housing the long and thin solid shaft as a spring connection inside. Interacting with the mass forces on the angle drive, the two shafts thus acting as a torsion spring serve to dampen impacts from the drivetrain and reduce transmission noise in the process. This is also the first model in which Porsche is using an innovative inner gearshift mechanism together with particularly low-friction and precisely-mounted Flexball shift cables on the outer shift mechanisms, a worldwide innovation in automotive technology. Flexball gearshift cables are made of a flat stainless-steel band and do not have wound steel cores.




The ceramic clutch – another world-first achievement

Apart from Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB) already well known and widely lauded for their efficiency, Porsche is now using extra-light and extremely resistant ceramics for the transmission of power in this new top-flight athlete: The Carrera GT is the first car in the world equipped with a ceramic clutch, the PCCC Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch, to use its precise name. Through its compact dimensions, this two-plate dry clutch meets all the requirements of motorsport: Clutch plate diameter is only 169 millimetres or 6.65", serving to give the engine and transmission a very low centre of gravity. A further feature of the new ceramic discs is their much longer service life compared with alternative materials.




Chassis and module frame forming a closely-knit team

The Carrera GT is the first production car in the world with a monocoque chassis and module frame made of carbon-fibre reinforced plastic (CFP), a principle Porsche has registered for a patent in the meantime. Carbon, a material carried over from the most sophisticated aerospace applications, is elaborately processed and finished on the car in providing the foundation for supreme performance and driving dynamics combined with minimum weight and maximum strength. So here again, Porsche's engineers have transferred the great demands made on the race track to a road-going sports car for regular use, giving the Carrera GT notonly outstanding performance, but also supreme safety all in one.




Same underfloor as a racing car

With a top speed of 330 km/h or 205 mph, aerodynamics are obviously a crucial factor. So to maximise the downforces acting on the Carrera GT, the car features underfloor geometry of the same kind otherwise to be found only on racing cars: Interacting with the rear diffuser and airflow channels, the fully covered carbon underfloor generates a suction effect quite unusual on a road-going vehicle of any kind.




Forged magnesium wheels

Measuring 19 inches up front and 20 inches at the rear, and finished in five-spoke design, the wheels of the Carrera GT reveal the car's close connection to motorsports at very first sight. And at the same time they clearly bear testimony to the exclusivity of this high-performance sports car, being produced in a magnesium forging process used for the first time on a production car. Forged magnesium wheels are well over 25 per cent lighter than cast aluminium wheels and offer an excellent service life.




Sensitive suspension set-up

Advancing into an ultra-high speed range, the Carrera GT obviously requires a spectacular spring and damper set-up to maintain the stability of the car – also at the rear – at all speeds. And again, the solution applied for this purpose comes straight from motorsport, spring/damper elements operated by stainless-steel pushrods and pivot levers being fitted inside the chassis structure. This firm connection to the chassis promotes exact response of the springs and dampers, ensuring safe and secure driving behaviour in the process.




Seats only half their usual weight

Within the sophisticated interior of the Carrera GT combining smooth and subtle leather, magnesium and carbon-fibre structures, the all-new seats catch your eye immediately, also through their elegant, sporting design. These are the first production seats ever made of composite carbon and aramide fibres, aramide being better known, of course, as kevlar. The result is a substantial decrease in weight, the bucket seats in the Carrera GT, at 10.3 kg or 22.7 lb, weighing only about half as much as conventional seats.





Porsche Carrera GT

The Supersports for the Road

Through its looks alone, the Carrera GT clearly reveals its outstanding performance as an uncompromising supersports of the highest calibre. But unlike prototypes built exclusively for racing, the design of the Carrera GT shows a clear resemblance to production cars and is indeed reminiscent of certain details featured by Porsche's legendary racing cars. One example is the “face" of the Carrera GT with its arrow-shaped front lid and elevated wheel arches, taking up the typical design of the Porsche 718 RS Spyder back in the '60s. And like the 911 Turbo, the Carrera GT comes with three extra-wide air scoops in the lower section at the front, clearly emphasizing the car's unparalleled performance. Measuring 4.61 metres (181.5") in length, 1.92 metres (75.6") in width, and 1.16 metres (45.7") in height, the Carrera GT looks not only beautiful, but, in particular, very aerodynamic and muscular from the side, its long and stretched-out shoulder line adding to the car's dynamic character. The mid-engine concept is borne out clearly by the cockpit moved far to the front and the long gap between the door and the rear axle. Large air scoops andoutlets at the sides in front of and behind the doors provide yet a further touch of excitement and tension, serving above all to ensure a steady flow of air to and from the engine, the transmission, brakes and air conditioning, obviously an absolute must with a car as powerful as the Carrera GT. The powerdomes made of perforated stainless steel extending back over the engine from the rear wall of the cockpit provide a clear and enticing view of the power unit. The structure at the rear end, in turn, is clearly laid out like in a racing car, the rear wing moving up automatically at a speed of 120 km/h or 75 mph to provide the downforce required on the rear axle. The design of the car is determined throughout by aerodynamic requirements. The main criterion in designing the body of the car and ensuring appropriate aerodynamics was the consideration of genuine racing conditions on the track requiring high downforces. At its top speed of 330 km/h or 205 mph, the Carrera GT develops a downforce of approximately 4000 Newtons, equal to a load pressing on the rear axle of 400 kilos. Elaborate geometry on the underfloor also serves to maximise downforces, without at the same time exerting a negative influence on the car's drag coefficient. With its rear diffuser and airflow channels, the fully covered underfloor made of composite carbon-fibre generates a suction effect quite unusual on a road car. The Carrera GT is an open two-seater entering the classic open supersports segment. But that does not mean that bad weather will keep the Carrera GT in the garage, since the carcomes with a specially developed, easy-to-use roof system made of two individual lightweight carbon shells each weighing 2.4 kilos or 5.3 lb and removable by means of rapid-action catches for subsequent storage in the front luggage compartment. The catches holding the two roof sections in place when mounted on top are able to take up the highest aerodynamic forces, and handling the two roof sections when fitting them in position and removing them from the car is more than easy. The only point to be observed is the correct sequence of installation, first inserting the section on the driver's side, then the second section for the passenger.

Thoroughbred ten-cylinder racing engine

The ten-cylinder power unit with dry sump lubrication behind the cockpit of the Carrera GT is based on a 5.5-litre V10 normal-aspiration engine which might well have been raced in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, given its qualities as a genuine racing machine. Engine capacity has been increased to 5.7 litres for the production car, enabling the power unit of the Carrera GT, with its tremendous performance, to meet all requirements for circuit racing and at the same time providing all the qualities required in everyday motoring. Indeed, the Carrera GT clearly proves its status as a supersports for the road through its performance data alone: Maximum output is 450 kW (612) at 8000 rpm, maximum torque 590 Newtonmetres (435 lb-ft) at 5750 rpm. Top speed, in turn, is 330 km/h or 205 mph, the Carrera GT entering new dimensions through its acceleration from 0 – 100 km/h in just 3.9 seconds, and 0 – 200 km/h in a staggering 9.9 seconds. The optimised V-angle of the cylinders of 680, in conjunction with the crankshaft fitted very low down, helps to give the engine the very low centre of gravity required on a car of this calibre. Another reason for this narrow cylinder angle was to provide sufficient space for the aerodynamic improvements required. Porsche has opted for the ten-cylinder concept with 570 cubic centimetres per cylinder since this offers optimum conditions for the cylinder charge cycle. Four valves per cylinder and aerodynamically designed intake ducts ensure a perfect cylinder charge and optimum efficiency. Built at Porsche's engine plant in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen, the ten-cylinder, through its configuration as a load-bearing component inthe car, has an extremely stiff engine block and housing, with the advantage of the cylinder bores remaining absolutely stable and almost entirely free of any distortion.

Ideal for the race track and optimised for the road

The ten-cylinder power unit makes a significant contribution to the ideal weight of the Carrera GT. Weighing only 214 kilos or 472 lb, the engine is made exclusively of light alloy combining supreme strength with equally outstanding temperature resistance. This applies both to the crankcase itself and to the cylinder heads, the crankshaft, with its stroke of 67 millimetres or 2.99" and cylinder bore of 98 millimetres or 3.86", providing overall engine capacity of 5733 cubic centimetres. The forged crankshaft built for minimum mass inertiaoffers maximum torsional stiffness. The pistons themselves are connected to the crankshaft by titanium conrods combining superior strength with low weight for outstanding refinement and a long, dependable service life at engine speeds of over 8000 rpm.

Innovative six-speed manual gearbox

A six-speed manual gearbox developed especially for the Carrera GT and fitted transversely at the rear of the car conveys the enormous power of the engine smoothly and consistently to the road. Compact in design and with the lowest possible centre of gravity, the gearbox contributes to the car's optimum weight distribution. Due to the need to use a clutch as compact as possible for racing requirements, the Carrera GT does not come with a twomass flywheel – but the function of such a flywheel is provided nevertheless by the spezial design of the input shafts: The first main shaft is hollow, with a long and thin full shaft running inside as a spring rod. Together with the mass weight of the angle drive the two shafts acting as a torsion spring serve to absorb possible jolts coming from the engine, reducing transmission noise in the process. On the Carrera GT Porsche uses ball-bearing Flexball shift cables for the first time on the outer transmission section, thus introducing yet another worldwide innovation in automotivetechnology. Contrary to conventional shaft cables with a wound steel core, Flexball cables are made of a flat stainless-steel band resting in bore bearings at each end. This allows the transmission of movements even over larger distances without any frictional losses worth mentioning, providing a very high efficiency rating of 96 per cent.

Another world-first achievement: the ceramic clutch

The Carrera GT is the first car in the world to feature a ceramic clutch, to be precise the PCCC Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch. A particular feature of this worldwide innovation is the small clutch plate measuring just 169 millimetres or 6.56" in diameter and giving the entire drive unit a very low centre of gravity. Another decisive advantage is the low mass weight of the clutch with its positive effect on the engine's dynamic qualities. Previously only a carbon-fibre clutch was able to offer these qualities required in motorsport. But having a much shorter service life, such a clutch would not have met the demands made of the Carrera GT in terms of everyday driving dependability. The PCCC Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch exceeding even the service life of conventional clutch plates is an all-new constructionin every respect. Developing this new technology, Porsche's engineers have benefitted from their excellent experience with PCCB Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes, at the same time continuing the development of this material, making it suitable for a two-plate dry clutch with a long running life.

The suspension – dynamic and comfortable all in one

The chassis and suspension of the Carrera GT has already proven its qualities under the toughest conditions, being carried over from the Porsche 911 GT1, the winner of the 1998 24 Hours of Le Mans. Experience gained in this and other races regarding the particular requirements made of a composite carbon-fibre chassis has gone into the Carrera GT in all details and with all its features. The fine response and optimum transmission of forces to the chassis of the Carrera GT are ensured by the double-wishbone pushrod axles front and rear. Contrary to the McPherson spring struts commonly used on other Porsche sports cars, pushrods have separate guide sleeves and springs, pursuing a design principle providing sensitive response and perfect spring balance at both low and high speeds. The high standard of driving dynamics, finally, is also supported by the agile power steering.

Ceramic brakes for supreme stopping power

The Carrera GT comes with ceramic brake discs introduced in production cars by Porsche as the first manufacturer in 2001, when this world-first achievement made its appearance in the 911 GT2. Now PCCB Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes have been further optimised and enlarged for the Carrera GT, diameter of the cross-drilled composite ceramic brake discs with their efficient involute cooling ducts measuring 380 millimetres or 14.96" front and rear, another 30 millimetres or 1.18" more than on the 911 GT. Measuring 34 millimetres or 1.34" in thickness, the ceramic discs featured in the PCCB brake system are about 50 per cent lighter than grey-cast-iron discs of the same type and size. In conjunction with the brake lining also developed as a all-new technology, PCCBs immediately build up a very high and, in particular, consistent frictional coefficient when applied, reaching their maximum brake power within fractions of a second. And with abrasion being kept to an absolute minimum, the safety reserves are also very good, even when the brakes are used to the extreme.

Electronic assistance when driving to the limit

When running on different road surfaces and under adverse weather conditions, ABS and the traction control system allow a dynamic style of driving even when the driver goes to the very limit. This system enhances driving stability when braking and accelerating and gives the driver of the Carrera GT an appropriate feeling of safety in line with the car's outstanding performance. The four-channel anti-lock brake system allows individual control of the wheels on the front and rear axles, with the entire set-up of ABS being adapted to the ceramic brakes for very short stopping distances keeping the driver under control with full response of the steering. Integrated four-channel anti-spin control (ASC) is activated whenever required throughout the car's entire acceleration process, preventing excessive wheel spin on the drive wheels and keeping the rear end of the car smooth and stable on the road. Yet another feature serving to slow down the drive wheels of the car when spinning is the automatic brake differential (ABD). Whenever he wishes, however, the driver can do without this electronic support by switching off the entire traction control function by a button in the cockpit.

Forged magnesium wheels

Special wheels in five-spoke design have been developed for the Carrera GT, measuring 19 inches up front and 20 inches at the rear. The wheel rims are made in a magnesium forging process applied for the first time on a production car. This special forging process improves the material's fatigue strength and allows lightweight construction through and through, forged magnesium wheels combining supreme strength and stiffness with a reduction in weight by about 25 per cent versus cast aluminium wheels, unsprung masses being reduced accordingly. This provides not only supreme traction, but also allows a particularly sensitive response of the springs and dampers. To allow a quick tyre change, the wheels, like in motor racing, are fastened on the hubs by one central bolt. The tyres developed for the Carrera GT have a very large road contact surface thanks to their dimensions of 265/35 ZR 19 at the front and 335/30 ZR 20 at the rear. The tyre tread is designed to provide maximum traction, very good mechanical grip, lasting strength at very high speeds, and wear kept relatively low for tyres of this kind.

Trendsetting body concept in monocoque design

The Carrera GT is the first car in the world, whether on the road or in racing, to apply a brand-new design and construction concept, both the monocoque and the entire frame carrying all the car's modules and components being made of carbon-fibre-reinforced plastic (CFP). Contrary to a conventional body structure with a large number of individual components, this monocoque is made of just a few shell elements connected to one another in a high-pressure furnace (a principle, incidentally, registered by Porsche for a patent). The central unit comprises all structural functions, such as the transmission of reaction forces from the suspension and drivetrain normally handled by the bodyshell of the car. The drive unit, in turn, is bolted on to the chassis by means of the engine support fitted firmly in position, these two principal structural components acting together to provide one complete unit with a very high standard of torsional and flexural stiffness one might call the backbone of the Carrera GT. These modules serve to support the front and rear suspension and at the same time absorb any forces fed in by the crash structures, holding the body panels and the interior in position. CFP is the generic term for composite fibre materials with a large share of carbon used in aerospace applications. Porsche has opted in favour of this material for high-performance components, since this is the only way to combine supreme performance on the road and supreme driving dynamics, on the one hand, with minimum weight and maximum stiffness, on the other. Benefitting from this supreme stiffness, this high-tech fibre material also means superior safety on the road, the Carrera GT providing a level of all-round stiffness (maximum flexural and torsional stiffness) absolutely unprecedented on an open production car and, indeed, quite comparable to the stiff body structure of an all-out racing car and even a lot better than the high standard of stiffness offered by a modern coupé.

Carbon structure enhancing the car's safety

Apart from its outstanding driving characteristics, the Carrera GT is also a very safe car: This new ultra-high-performance sports car offers all of Porsche's well-known active safety features even at the highest speeds, complying with all crash regulations applied worldwide. In its torsional stiffness, the Carrera GT sets a new record for open cars, the passive safety offered being based on the monocoque passenger cell made of composite carbon fibre and supplemented by integral rollbars on the A- and B-pillars. For even greater strength and safety, the A-pillars are further reinforced by high-strength steel tubes. To enhance passive safety to an even higher level the longitudinal arms or “chassis legs" on the Carrera GT are made of high-strength stainless steel. This crash structure at the front and rear, comprising suitable deformation profiles, ensures smooth and consistent absorption of energy and impact forces. The bumper system is made up of an ultra-strong aluminium crossbar and impact tubes. The engineers responsible for developing the Carrera GT have given particular attention to suitable protection of the 92-litre (201/4 Imp gal) fuel tank, finding the safest place for the tank made of deep-drawn aluminium within the monocoque structure between the passenger cell and the engine compartment. Inside the cockpit four airbags make yet another contribution to the car's high standard of passive safety, with a full-size frontal airbag and a side airbag for both the driver and passenger. The side impact system, in turn, is made up in each case of a side airbag and a door panel including reinforcements made of high-strength steel tubes serving to take up impact energy.

Functional elegance on all equipment features

The cockpit of the Carrera GT offers all the functional ambience of a genuine racing car, low weight being the name of the game also in this area – a target achieved in full through the exclusive use of high-tech materials throughout the interior. All the composite fibre components in the car's chassis reflect the exclusive nature and quality of carbon as a very spezial material. The centre console sweeping upwards is also made of carbon firmly connected to the chassis of the car in the interest of extra safety. On top of the centre console is an extra-light, galvanised magnesium element housing all buttons and switches. The gearshift lever with its ball-shaped knob made of laminated birchwood, in turn, bears testimony to the culture of motor racing in the old days. Positioned far up on the centre console, the shift lever is close to the steering wheel in the interest of superior sporting ergonomics. The Carrera GT is the first production car in the world with seat buckets made of composite carbon-fibre combined with non-splintering aramide fibre well-known in everyday language as kevlar. Complete with their supple leather upholstery, the seat buckets weigh a mere 10.3 kilos or 22.7 lb each, approximately half the weight of a “normal" Porsche production seat. But despite all this purism carried over from motor racing, the need for motoring comfort has not been neglected. In the interest of such superior comfort, the Carrera GT is available, inter alia, with air conditioning and the Porsche Online Pro navigation radio including a BOSE sound system at no extra cost. As the name indicates, the Porsche Online Pro radio offers not only audio functions, but also a navigation system and a tri-band telephone complete with hands-free operation as well as e-mail and internet functions.


:arrow: Porsche Carrera GT hi-res media pics


EDIT: so guys, that´s it, we´ve reached the top of the Porsche model range, i hope all of you enjoyed at least a bit of the stuff, THX to all for reading and writing comments, i´ll see what i can do to keep this section alive, we´ll see....
__________________
Sportscars come
Sportscars go
Legends live on
Porsche 911
st-anger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2004, 01:17 AM   #94
Schwalbe
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Montral
Posts: 2,455
Default

Thanks St-Anger for this superb complete review of the GT3, GT2, CGT.
Schwalbe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 02:04 AM   #95
nthfinity
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Detroit
Posts: 9,929
Default

thanks ST-anger for the work here, and the great hi-res pics!!! great work

i kinda feel like i neglected this section with the excitement going on with TT's ferocious ride in the Enzo, Diablo, and 360s

perhaps an idea i know id love reading is an engineering overview of some of the products you may have taken part of... at least of products that arent so secret anymore just an idea
__________________
www.nthimage.com
Car photography website
nthfinity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 03:15 AM   #96
schnell318
Regular User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Guatemala
Posts: 787
Default

now that´s what i was waiting for, GT2 and Carrera GT... really incredible cars. That ceramic clutch on the CGT is something ultra high tech. :shock:
schnell318 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 06:34 AM   #97
TT
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
Posts: 23,178
Default

Thanks st-anger for completing the lineup with the CGT
__________________
TT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 09:30 PM   #98
lakatu
Regular User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 408
Default

Originally Posted by st-anger
Porsche 911 Carrera 4



The focus, however, is not so much on traction, but rather on the wish to achieve supreme driving characteristics and road safety at all times...One of the advantages of this special concept of four-wheel drive is that it avoids the car “pushing” over the front wheels in a bend, ensuring neutral behaviour in bends and, quite generally, under all driving conditions.
St-Anger, since you worked on the 911 Turbo drive train I was hoping that you would have some insight into a question that I have had concerning the benefits of 4 wheel drive on corning speed, performance and balance or handling characteristics on the track.

I have noticed that the 4 wheel drive model cars (911 Turbo, Skyline GTR, EVO) tested by BestMotoring seem to always have an advantage when raced with other rear wheel drive cars like the Ferrari Modena. I don’t know if it is because it is easier for the drivers to jump into a 4 wheel drive car and go fast or something intrinsic to the 4 wheel drive system on the track. Ever since reading about the 959 I have searched for a explanation as to the benefits of 4 wheel drive on the race track other than obvious traction advantages.

One magazine article I read about the 959 indicated that engineers had set up a 959 prototype to be able to completely disengage the 4 wheel drive system and they found that the 959 was 1 second faster around a test track with the 4 wheel drive on because it was able to apply power sooner coming out of a turn. Another article that talked about the Audi Quattro race car indicated that an advantage of 4 wheel drive was that it allowed them to take a turn with less regard to a standard racing line and as a result they were able to pass other cars going through turns.

In your model overview I got the impression that the 4 wheel drive system somehow changed the balance of the car so that the handling behavior is more neutral. Also, I found a press information brochure for a 4S that said “One of the advantages of this four-wheel drive system is that the front wheels do not run wide on curves, resulting in neutral cornering and road behavior.” This contradicts my understanding of cornering behavior and managing tire contact patches. It seems to me that when power is applied to the front wheels to propel the car forward, that reduces the traction available to change the cars direction while turning resulting in understeer. Could you possibly expound on these issues. I am especially interested in understanding if a 4 wheel drive system increases cornering speed and its modification of corning behavior.

Additionally, are you aware if professional drivers are faster on a track with PSM engaged or disengaged. In an older post you alluded to the fact that professional drivers are able to explore the cars handling limits more aggressively with PSM as a safety net.

If anyone is interested in the press article it can be found at: http://www.porsche.nu/html_swedish/p...Carrera_4S.pdf
lakatu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 11:25 PM   #99
HoboPie
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada.
Posts: 385
Default

Those were crazy tests, if you have seen some of the recent ones the 360 beat an nsx-r and evo 8. Then again in the next race it got beat by an nsx-r.... badly. There was somethig wrong with the tires in the race where the GTR chased the Turbo.
__________________
Formerly known as SG Blade.
HoboPie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 09:47 AM   #100
st-anger
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: AT
Posts: 1,611
Default

well, again lakatu, a good question and i´ll try to answer as simply as I can, because we could talk for hours on that topic, but I´m afraid I won´t have the time for that…
so, the magic word is viscous coupling, I think I needn´t say more
on all 4WD models of the Porsche range power is distributed to the front and rear wheels by this device in combination with the PSM. it not only transfers drive to the wheels, the system compensates for any difference in the speed of rotation measured on the front and rear axles.
the outer plates of the coupling are attached to the housing, and the inner plates to the hub, with the space in between filled with silicone fluid and the moment there is any deviation in the respective speeds of the front and rear axles, the frictional properties of the silicone fluid cause the drive torque to be directed from the faster rotating plates to the slower ones.
so, at least 5% of engine power is always applied to the front axle with the 4WD Porsche system, increasing to roughly 35% in normal driving conditions and in extreme situations, as much as 40% of drive torque can be delivered to the front wheels. the sensitivity of the viscous coupling combines with Porsche Stability Management to help optimise handling and stability. so it´s obvious that we can literally through the car into the corner at the track with something in the area of 40/60 power distribution, normally you´ll lift the throttle to force the car to oversteer, but with the “intelligent” 4WD system the car recognises when it understeers too much because of the 4WD effect, and it distributes more power to the rear axle, so inside the corner most of the power is on the rear, just like on the C2 models, the advantage is that we´ve a little bit power at the front too, that helps to stabilize the car a bit, and when the 2WD cars are fighting for traction at the exit of the corner, the 4WD system provides more power to the front axle, so that you´ll have the ~40/60 again, which means you can significantly hit the pedal earlier than with the C2 model…
it´s a very easy principle but it works


you won´t find any PSM like system in a race driver´s car, it´s good to actually “learn” the car, explore it´s limits, but you´ll turn it off when racing, that´s for sure…
it´d be too difficult to explain, but with PSM off the whole mapping changes, the car is simply more aggressive and definitely faster, a very good example is the Cayenne Turbo, whenever I ride one I immediately turn PSM off, because otherwise throttle response and shifting time is IMO horrible, some ppl won´t recognise that, for sure, but due to my 955 project I know that system quite well, and with PSM on the TT is simply slow
it´s also good for the ECU when you turn off PSM, because in a new car, the ECU learns how´s your driving style, and you´ll increase sportyness when you ride it with PSM off, ahhhh, i know i know, kinda difficult to understand and also to explain, so i hope i´ve answered your questions, if there´re any questions left, just ask…
__________________
Sportscars come
Sportscars go
Legends live on
Porsche 911
st-anger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 10:59 AM   #101
lakatu
Regular User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 408
Default

Originally Posted by st-anger
so inside the corner most of the power is on the rear, just like on the C2 models, the advantage is that we´ve a little bit power at the front too, that helps to stabilize the car a bit,
Thanks st-anger for taking the time to answer my questions. I hope that you don't feel pressure to answer them quickly. I think we all understand that this page is demanding on your time and should be a low priority in your life.

So on to my follow up, when the car is rotating in the turn the behavior is like a rear wheel drive car. The stabilizing affect of power to the front, is that similar to increasing the rate of lock on a differential on over-run? If so doesn't that act to prevent the car from rotating into the turn causing the car to run wide? That seems different than what the press release and you have indicated in your model review.
lakatu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 11:15 AM   #102
Tomerville
Regular User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: New York City/Haverford, PA
Posts: 791
Default

When subject to hard engine breaking, where would power be sent to to ensure proper traction?
__________________
"You can get a lot much farther with a kind word and a gun, than you can with a kind word alone"
-Al capone

"Time is a versitile performer: it flies, marches, heals all wounds, runs out and will tell"
-Franklin Jones



^The definition of grip. Nav+Bose (standard) Arctic Silver on Blue, Heaven on Earth. '05 911 Turbo^
Tomerville is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 12:10 PM   #103
st-anger
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: AT
Posts: 1,611
Default

Originally Posted by lakatu
Originally Posted by st-anger
so inside the corner most of the power is on the rear, just like on the C2 models, the advantage is that we´ve a little bit power at the front too, that helps to stabilize the car a bit,
Thanks st-anger for taking the time to answer my questions. I hope that you don't feel pressure to answer them quickly. I think we all understand that this page is demanding on your time and should be a low priority in your life.

So on to my follow up, when the car is rotating in the turn the behavior is like a rear wheel drive car. The stabilizing affect of power to the front, is that similar to increasing the rate of lock on a differential on over-run? If so doesn't that act to prevent the car from rotating into the turn causing the car to run wide? That seems different than what the press release and you have indicated in your model review.
lol, don´t worry when i´ve the time i´ll try to answer asap, and no time, no answer that´s it...
no, not really it´s not that compareable, a RWD only with diff lock is another story, kinda different layout too..
so IMO the whole run wide thing isn´t that bad, we had that very very much on the older more powerful (993) cars, but 996 range massive understeering isn´t an issue any more, of course there´ll always be some impressions of AWD cars with massive oversteering, e.g. in vids or at trak days, but it really depends on the driver too, i mean the viscous coupling is really a helpfull thing, and if one is quite skilled the AWD is nearly a perfect solution, of course weight remains an issue...
__________________
Sportscars come
Sportscars go
Legends live on
Porsche 911
st-anger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 12:37 PM   #104
yg60m
Regular User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: France
Posts: 5,373
Default

Thank you very much st-anger for this wonderful section !!! I know you will have more to add in september

edit : i mean the 997 is to be released in september if i am not wrong
yg60m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 04:45 PM   #105
lakatu
Regular User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 408
Default

Originally Posted by st-anger
i mean the viscous coupling is really a helpfull thing, and if one is quite skilled the AWD is nearly a perfect solution, of course weight remains an issue...
So with a skilled driver like WR would the cornering speed be slower, the same or higher with a:
1. 996 Turbo compared to
2. 996 Turbo with the 4 wheel drive system removed and thereby weighing less?
lakatu is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump