Blu-Ray vs HD DVD

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by Bizi Jones can u say fire sale...think of the losses they must be incurring with these promos...and no 'real' sales to show for it...

I wouldn't say they have nothing to show for it:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article...D+player+sales

Originally Posted by Video Business Amazon sells Toshiba HD-A2 model as low as $238 over Memorial Day weekend By Jennifer Netherby -- Video Business, 5/29/2007 Costco is selling Toshiba's low-end HD DVD player for $249.99. Photo by Tyler Pruitt MAY 29 | Toshiba’s recent price drop on its HD DVD players and aggressive retailer pricing over the holiday weekend have driven up sales as much as tenfold at some retailers. Since Toshiba began offering a $100 instant rebate on HD DVD players last month, sales have grown between fivefold and tenfold, depending on the retailer, said Jodi Sally, VP of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products. “We’re thrilled to see that consumers are, by far, choosing Toshiba’s HD DVD players as their source for high-definition,” Sally said. On May 20, Toshiba began offering the rebate on select HD DVD player models, effectively slashing the price on the bottom line HD-A2 model to $299. Amazon.com cut the price even further, to as low as $238 over Memorial Day weekend. The lower price shot up the player to be the top-selling DVD player on the site, a spot previously held by the Oppo up-converting DVD player, which sells for $229. The HD-A2 player price was back up to $299 on Tuesday on Amazon and listed as out of stock. Still it remained the top-selling DVD player and ranked No. 7 in sales in the electronics category. An Amazon.com spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment about the sales. Other retailers were selling the player for $299 on Tuesday, but comments on the AVS Forum reported seeing deals over the weekend from retailer Electronics Expo, which also sells players on Amazon.com. Costco is selling the Toshiba HD-D2 (same as the HD-A2) for $249 with a free HDMI cable. Some other retailers also are offering free add-ons to promote the players. Value Electronics is selling the HD-A2 for $299 with a free HDMI cable and seven free HD DVD movies. HDMI cables cost around $100.

Although you have to be a freaking idiot to be buying HDMI cables for $100.

And more sale new:

http://hd.broadcastnewsroom.com/arti....jsp?id=149591

[Bizi Jones]

haha...

FREE HD-A2 player WITH 5 hddvd movies....


they're just giving them away...lol


http://www.hhgregg.com/ads/pdfs/June10071.pdf

[ae86_16v]

Uh Oh. . . HD-DVD sales not so rosy?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/13...rget-for-2007/

Originally Posted by Engadget HD Toshiba lowering HD DVD sales target for 2007 Posted Jun 13th 2007 7:54AM by Matt Burns Filed under: Industry, Blu-ray, HD DVD, Toshiba Are the format war's heated battles winding down? Maybe. However, Toshiba's lowering of their expected sales target down 44%, 1.8 million to 1 million players, could just be market realignment. This format war isn't healthy for ether side and we haven't seen any indication that the 800,000 players Toshiba is apparently not going to sell, Blu-ray will pick up. It is more than possible that Toshiba had to lower their expectations, not because of Blu-ray, but because the two formats have scared off many potential buyers. Before the Blu-ray fanboys come'a hating though, the other side of the coin is that Blu-ray has been picking up steam and caused HD DVD to bend its knee - but something tells us it's the former of the two possibilities

[DeMoN]

LOL that lowering was fast!

I only have hi def movie capability due to PS3 which I bought thinking GT5 was going to come out... silly me.

[TopGearNL]

So what will win in the end probably?

[ae86_16v]

^ You know what I was thinking. Pirates of the Caribbean outsold the Matrix set right? Pirates sold something like 47,000 copies. But with all those millions (3.5 million) of PS3s out there, and only 47,000 is actually a really low number.

It seems like gamers aren't really using it as a movie player. Either that or the adoption rate for movies is really really slow.

Compared to HD DVD which Toshiba said it only sold 100,000 players as of last April, maybe double that number now with the recent sales.

It was like PS2 which was a DVD player. Was it all that important that it was a DVD player? Did that help it to be successful? In my opinion not really, what mattered in the end was that it had some great games over the Xbox (Halo saved Xbox) and competitors. (I am going to buy a PS3 later when they put the rumble back in and lower the price a bit because I still think it will have the best games out.)

In case of Blu-Ray vs HD DVD, I still think the one with the lowest price will win. The closest Blu-Ray player right now is still at $500.

[harryo2b]

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[ae86_16v]

^ Yeah DeepDiscount.com is a good site. I picked up my copy of Plant Earth last week.

[Bizi Jones]

Originally Posted by TopGearNL So what will win in the end probably?

read this for a summary of the 'war'...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...oap060107.html

We simply CANNOT and WILL NOT recommend to our readers that they adopt a format that only has the full support of just a HANDFUL of major hardware manufacturers and ONLY A HANDFUL of the Hollywood studios - no matter how cheap the price - when a format of EQUAL quality and FAR GREATER studio and manufacturer support exists.

The Digital Bits had made it their goal to sit on the fence as long as possible and now they've finally picked a horse...

[ae86_16v]

^ Who's Digital Bits? Haha. . . Wait wait, before Blu-Ray was superior, now it is only "equal" to HD DVD in terms of quality. Haha.

Again, it hasn't been showing in the sales. Everyone keeps on pointing to the sales of PS3, but where's the sale of the movies? Where is the domination of Blu-Ray?

I don't know see it, nor does any other MAJOR news vendor.

I could quote hundreds of other tech blog saying that HD DVD will win, and hundreds more for Blu-Ray. :roll:

[Bizi Jones]

someone who knows what they're talking about and not spread FUD, or say shit like, ''uh oh toshiba sales not looking so rosy...but wait, they're still going to win'' :roll: :roll:

instead of asking worthless questions why not read the article and share your thoughts...

TDB

We've been involved with the home video industry for ten years now. Way back in 1997, when most people didn't even know what DVD was, we were telling people it was going to be the biggest thing since the CD. We were having conversations with the Hollywood studios that first year, where even the most senior studio executives were telling us we were crazy to think DVD was ever going to be anything more than a niche format. But we were right then. We gave the world it's first look at Circuit City's Divx format, and then said it was going to fail. We were right about that too. We were right about the need for the studios to support DVD's anamorphic widescreen capability, to ensure the highest video quality possible at the time, and we lobbied them hard to do so. Here at The Bits, we interact on a daily basis with studio personnel at all levels, with authoring/technical staffers, with DVD producers, with filmmakers and with hardware manufacturers. So we're pretty good at having our finger on the pulse of the home video industry, and knowing what the trends are. And anyone who has read The Bits since we started will know that, over the years, we've been right about a LOT more things than we've been wrong.

plz point what you think is 'NOT' true from that article...its pure facts...

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by Bizi Jones someone who knows what they're talking about and not spread FUD, or say shit like, ''uh oh toshiba sales not looking so rosy...but wait, they're still going to win'' :roll: :roll: instead of asking worthless questions why not read the article and share your thoughts... TDB We've been involved with the home video industry for ten years now. Way back in 1997, when most people didn't even know what DVD was, we were telling people it was going to be the biggest thing since the CD. We were having conversations with the Hollywood studios that first year, where even the most senior studio executives were telling us we were crazy to think DVD was ever going to be anything more than a niche format. But we were right then. We gave the world it's first look at Circuit City's Divx format, and then said it was going to fail. We were right about that too. We were right about the need for the studios to support DVD's anamorphic widescreen capability, to ensure the highest video quality possible at the time, and we lobbied them hard to do so. Here at The Bits, we interact on a daily basis with studio personnel at all levels, with authoring/technical staffers, with DVD producers, with filmmakers and with hardware manufacturers. So we're pretty good at having our finger on the pulse of the home video industry, and knowing what the trends are. And anyone who has read The Bits since we started will know that, over the years, we've been right about a LOT more things than we've been wrong. plz point what you think is 'NOT' true from that article...its pure facts...

As a matter of fact, I have read that article about a week ago.

I never said they were going to win. My thoughts were all over this thread already if you learn how to read. Facts are that both format sales as been dismal, adoption rate has been slow.

Again I posted over and over that the lowest priced player will win. What are your thoughts except that Sony will win because they are the greatest? Oh right, they sold 3.5 Million PS3s but only managed to sell a couple of hundreds of thousands of movies. Right. You are soooo right, let me run out and buy 3 PS3s to stock up, just in case they sell out.

So I take it everyone should just listen to Digital Bits because they are the expert because they've been around since the 90s, right? :roll:

[Bizi Jones]

so no response to what it has to say...typical...attack me for posting a link to an impartial reaview....ok...(u asked who the fuck is TDB...I simply provided the info)...

fact is that Blu-Ray IS selling faster than DVD did at the SAME stage back in its inception....it beating HD DVD every week by a margin on 2 to 1...despite being that much more expensive...

y not provide some counter pts if u disagree with the article...and no I am just basing EVERYTHING on it...but it summarizes most points, WHILE being generous to HDDVD ...

[ae86_16v]

Originally Posted by Bizi Jones so no response to what it has to say...typical...attack me for posting a link to an impartial reaview....ok...(u asked who the fuck is TDB...I simply provided the info)... fact is that Blu-Ray IS selling faster than DVD did at the SAME stage back in its inception....it beating HD DVD every week by a margin on 2 to 1...despite being that much more expensive... y not provide some counter pts if u disagree with the article...and no I am just basing EVERYTHING on it...but it summarizes most points, WHILE being generous to HDDVD ...

I never attacked you. I asked who TDB was and that there are millions of Blogs and Tech Reviews out there that will pick winners. I was merely responding to your accusation that I was some HD DVD fanboy. The only fanboy I am is to my wallet. If Blu-Ray or HD DVD makes a player for $200, I am game.

If you thought I was attacking you, I apologize. That was not my intent.

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Back on topic, is that I still believe the lowest/cheapest player would win. Which means that the recent sale (fire sale) of HD DVD players should have an impact on the overall landscape of things. The simple fact that as you pointed out some retails are even bundling HD DVD players with TVs and that the closest Sony Blu-Ray player is at $500 makes a difference in sales.

Stand alone players, HD DVD has been winning out over Blu-Ray. Also I mentioned that the PS3 will not determine the winner because it could just be a dedicated game console like the generations before this. As shown in the sales figures for Pirates.

Again, I apologize if you believe that I was attacking you.

[Bizi Jones]

ya but u get what u pay for...sure Toshiba's are dirt cheap...but apart from having to boil disc for them to play properly, I'd actually want to c some movies from all (most) studios...and so far the only studio that is on the brink of caving in (support both) is Universal...

also u keep referring to the POTC/Matrix numbers...those were from the first week sales...what are they currently?

remember Casino Royale sold 28k it's first week as a day and date and both Pirates were only a couple thousand behind...