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bmagni · 06-08-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by AutoWeek

Maybe this is why the folks at General Motors can slyly smile and plausibly deny a super-powered Corvette Blue Devil is in the works. We hear Blue Devil (allegedly chosen to get the attention of GM CEO and Duke grad Rick Wagoner) is no longer the working name of the car but has been replaced by the more Corvette-centric Sting Ray moniker. Production of the $100,000 Blue, er, Sting Ray, with a supercharged 7.0-liter 600-hp V8 under its carbon fiber hood, could come as early as 2007.

RC45 · 06-08-2006, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by insane

The Corvette range is slowly turning into the same as the 911's.

I'd like to know what kind of chassis it'll have. Will it be the same one as in the regular C6 or the aluminium one that they made for the Z06?

As a true Corvette enthusiast I can tell you for $100,000+ it better weight 2500lb, be made of carbon fibre and lap the Nurburgring in 7:15s - because to justify the cost going from $70,000 to $100,000 and only bump power by 95bhp (505 to 600) is a big let down.

Besidse which who is going to buy the car unless it is the C6 Z06 GT-3 car with lights and A/C... ??

nthfinity · 06-08-2006, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by insane

The Corvette range is slowly turning into the same as the 911's.

I'd like to know what kind of chassis it'll have. Will it be the same one as in the regular C6 or the aluminium one that they made for the Z06?

As a true Corvette enthusiast I can tell you for $100,000+ it better weight 2500lb, be made of carbon fibre and lap the Nurburgring in 7:15s - because to justify the cost going from $70,000 to $100,000 and only bump power by 95bhp (505 to 600) is a big let down.

Besidse which who is going to buy the car unless it is the C6 Z06 GT-3 car with lights and A/C... ??

I know that king of the ring is the Vettes' goal.... but without dave hill... i really wonder how good this car is going to be.

TeflonTron · 06-08-2006, 10:05 AM

RC: do you think that the additional cost of $30,000 is enough to disuade most of the potential buyers? Do you think that they will stick with the Z06 and just tune that instead? Personally, I can't see too many people wanting one, unless it's a collector's car, as those that can lay down $100k for a car tend, no offense meant, to think about other things than just outright speed.

bmwdakias · 06-08-2006, 05:45 PM

I believe that the Z06's $65,000 price tag is spoiling us and therefore the expectations from a $100,000 Vette are going to be at ENZO levels. If they had only charged us 85grand in the beginning for a Z06 the transition to the 100,000 price tag would have been easier to accept even with only a 95hp increase

RC45 · 06-08-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by TeflonTron

RC: do you think that the additional cost of $30,000 is enough to disuade most of the potential buyers?

The $100,00 price tag will immidiatly eliminate 95% of all the Z06 buyers on day one.

The car has such sales success because ordinary working folks with a family and a kid and a morgage and bills can afford it - it gives EVERYONE a chance to have super car performance in the driveway.

This is a bit of a stretch at $70,000 and sales have been a little slower than C5 Z06 sales - as the $20,000 price diff. didn't come with a $20,000 salary or savings account increase for the majority of the buying pool.

Originally Posted by TeflonTron

Do you think that they will stick with the Z06 and just tune that instead?

Many of us will wait for the C6 Z06 price to creep down and buy a used one - I paid $38,000 for my 1 year old C5 Z06 - it is now worth about $27,000 on the open market.

Thats $27,000 for 0-60 in 4s, 12s 1/4 mile, 175mph top end, 1+ G skid pad, 7m56s Nurburgring time - stock. And it has a roof, A/C, CD player, and leather seats..

There is no other performance bargain like than anywhere on the planet...

Withint 3 years the C6 Z06 will be a $35,000 car... what a bargain - and it will be still capable of 7m42s Nurburgring times.

For $100,000 the new one better be hand made by naked virgins to be cost justified - by "ordinary" people.

Originally Posted by TeflonTron

Personally, I can't see too many people wanting one, unless it's a collector's car, as those that can lay down $100k for a car tend, no offense meant, to think about other things than just outright speed.

No offence taken - but I think youplace too much on the "other things" - people with $100K+ to throw around often want snob appeal - that is the only "other" thing you get. The lads at the country club will swoon over your status symbol - in otherwords its a "big dick" thing.

A $100,000 Corvette will suffer the same poor sales the Ford GT has - the car is great, but the rich snobs wont buy them, and there are only so many rich "down to earth" car guys.

These people will and do buy $50,000 C5 Z06's and now $70,000 C6 Z06's and then spend another $100,000 making them faster - because they can and they enjoy it. Jay Leno is such a guy.

But these people are few and far between - Ferrari Lambo and Porsche among others don't cater to these people - they cater to the snobs who want people to know that they have big bank accounts.

5vz-fe · 06-08-2006, 06:10 PM

Why go supercharger to get 600hp

Simple tweaks on the LS7 will gave u that already?

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pacc6_ZO6camintake.htm
(I am sure u can find much cheaper cams, but I am just too lazy to search)

GM better give much more than hp for 30k more

coloradosilver · 06-08-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by 5vz-fe

Why go supercharger to get 600hp

Simple tweaks on the LS7 will gave u that already?

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pacc6_ZO6camintake.htm
(I am sure u can find much cheaper cams, but I am just too lazy to search)

GM better give much more than hp for 30k more

Perople are already WAY over the 600 hp mark with just headers and cam packages. These kits go for just a few grand.

For someone to pay an extra $30,000 for the same thing would be a real "Look what I have" thing. I think that mey be what GM is hoping for.

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

Although I'm not sure how much buying a $100,000+ Chevrolet says about ones intelligence. Or lack thereof.

666fast · 06-08-2006, 07:38 PM

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

For him and the hardcore Vette collector. I can see many people lining up for them, especially if they are built in very small numbers.

coloradosilver · 06-08-2006, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by 666fast

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

For him and the hardcore Vette collector. I can see many people lining up for them, especially if they are built in very small numbers.

Exactly, it will still be for "Look what I have" purposes.

blah · 06-09-2006, 03:49 PM

The Z06 is the ultimate package
500 HP
742 lap time
and when ever the car feels like it, it can be a convertible.

RC45 · 06-09-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by coloradosilver

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

Oh - the same people Ferrari aim for

Originally Posted by 666fast

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

For him and the hardcore Vette collector. I can see many people lining up for them, especially if they are built in very small numbers.

Uhm - there wont be 5,000 people lining up for them - Dodge cannot even sell every Viper they make each year and they only make 2,000 or so - and they discount them at the end of the year.

blah · 06-09-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by coloradosilver

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

Oh - the same people Ferrari aim for

Originally Posted by 666fast

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

For him and the hardcore Vette collector. I can see many people lining up for them, especially if they are built in very small numbers.

Uhm - there wont be 5,000 people lining up for them - Dodge cannot even sell every Viper they make each year and they only make 2,000 or so - and they discount them at the end of the year.

Ferrari owners are the worst out there. They just tool around with their Paddle shifts below 4,000 RPMs, i hate them so much.

Shinigami · 06-09-2006, 04:25 PM

30k is quite a hike up in price, I suppose they will do little tweaks everywhere to justify the price. I'd like to see a bit more leather and perhaps replace plastic with aluminium inside, to give it a bit more chique.

Too bad the car will take a big hike in price when it comes to Europe.

Whilst $70k is roughly 90,000chf over here, the car itself sells for another 20k over that price. So a price tag of $100k "should" be 125,000chf, but will end up closer to 150,000chf for sure.

At that price tag, the traditional European customer will eye up European exotics just because they're the "well known show off rides" this side of the ocean.

Wish the dealers didn't mark them up so much over here...

bmagni · 07-29-2006, 03:08 PM