American cars and curves.

[T-Bird]

The chassis is used in 2 GM cars and the motor is a Toyota which has alot of history with GM that's how you say the elise is more of a GM product. GOT IT?

[nthfinity]

The chassis is used in 2 GM cars and the motor is a Toyota which has alot of history with GM that's how you say the elise is more of a GM product. GOT IT?

lol
yes, much more GM then Ford. i dont htink i can add any more proof then whats been given, at least without me doing some finite research on the www

[Tomerville]

Again though, it all depends which market me are talking about here. I'm sure in the good 'ol US of A, you would go mad for the chrysler just because it had the little 'hemi' badge on it, plus it's got all that drag racing heritage.

Tom, I think you should stop. Just because I am american, doesn't mean i like american cars. Nobody in my family has ever owned one considering my father is from Belfast, and my mother Kingston. It's just, you have a little verbal diarrhea. Its all an opinion, so please...just calm down a little.

[caneswell]

Originally Posted by graywolf624 stiff is not meaning the same as good handling......... I know.. but skidpad wise and slalom wise the corvette and camaro are traditionally the best handling in their price range or below. The stiff is in terms of nvh and handling over bumps. The difference between track driving and street driving. (note this discludes kit cars and things like the elise.. which are a little different..) Id take a vette over a golf, escort, ect of a similar year any day as long as we are on smooth race track. Ill take a stock 80s corvette or camaro against a similar priced car of the same year.. Very few cars could beat them. By 1988 the camaro was pulling .91 on the skidpad. Everyone here must remember, handling on the street is different then handling on the track. On the track, the stiffer suspension is king. On the street.. you dont want that stiffer suspension. You dont want soft either, but you get the picture. As for suspension design I can attest that both the camaro and vette were quite sophisticated for their time. (camaros 3rd and 4th gen versus their respected years competition) (corvette versus there years respected competition) In the choice between a late 80s rx7 for instance and a late 80s vette.. On the race track the vette would eat the rx7 for breakfast stock.. Its when you start dealing with bumps that the vettes stiff suspension doesnt deal well. So if we were driving around the canyons the vette wouldnt be the best option. Its a question of usage.

:roll: Skid pan and slalom is not handling! That is grip! Handling is about, the way the car reats to inputs and lets you know whats going on. Weather its pulling 3g or 0.0000004g it can still handle well.

[topgeartom]

Originally Posted by SnowboarderTom Again though, it all depends which market me are talking about here. I'm sure in the good 'ol US of A, you would go mad for the chrysler just because it had the little 'hemi' badge on it, plus it's got all that drag racing heritage. Tom, I think you should stop. Just because I am american, doesn't mean i like american cars. Nobody in my family has ever owned one considering my father is from Belfast, and my mother Kingston. It's just, you have a little verbal diarrhea. Its all an opinion, so please...just calm down a little.

You obviously have misunderstood what i am saying, I am NOT dissing American cars.

I am saying that each market has it's preferred style of cars.
In general americans go for big swooshy barges, because they are a hell of a lot better than any other style of car for their environment i.e. few curves and long, well-maintained roads.

I am by no means getting excited or too enthusiastic when telling everyone what i think. It is exactly that - what i think.

I am expressing my views. After all isn't everyone entitled to their say.

If you believe i am getting too heated or taking this far too personally then you are wrong. In fact, in that case it is you who are trying to read to deep into the situation and taking everything a little too seriously

I am not in here to start arguments or cause friction. I am expressing my views. Thats it.

[T-Bird]

Originally Posted by topgeartom well-maintained roads.

HA that's a good one, our roads suck 90% of the time they last a few years then start to suck it up

[topgeartom]

ahh well, sorry for trying to give your transport system more credit than was due

[graywolf624]

Skid pan and slalom is not handling! That is grip! Handling is about, the way the car reats to inputs and lets you know whats going on. Weather its pulling 3g or 0.0000004g it can still handle well.

No.. what your defining is driver feedback.

I am speaking handling in terms of performance. The capability of the car around the trace track. driver feedback is a sperate equation altogether.

Driver feedback is great and is important, but its seperate from how well something goes around corners.

It can have 0 feedback and yet run circles around a fun to drive car (for instance my mazda 6). In fact.. I know for a fact a stock camaro z28 would whip the pants off my 6.

skid pad is grip.. slalom is handling. road racing and autox are more accurate for handling though.

[topgeartom]

Sorry to bring this old thread back to everyone's attention, but i think i have just found a picture that perfectly describes the difference between European and American culture, and their cars.

[T-Bird]

yes because no one in europe is fat and everyone in the US is that's probably the stupidest picture comparison ever. hell they have McDonalds in atleast half the countries in the world.
Come to think of it someone here has that for their sig.

[topgeartom]

Jesus, it was only a joke. I am well aware that there are many people in Europe just as fat and in many cases, fatter than american people, don't people get light humor around here?

[pagani]

I think some of the american cars are not that bad .
And make them go round corners really good .
Clarkson has just reviewd the ford gt on topgear and is much faster than a ferrari 360 cs.
8)