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graywolf624 · 01-12-2007, 12:56 AM

But all the Monaro/GTOs, 5.7 or 6.0, sold after 2004 anywhere in the world have this same fuel tank location issue.

But the point is.. There were no 5.7L sold in the US after 2004. And for 2005 they changed the brakes, suspension, and any number of other things.
Which means you cant compare the US 5.7L 2004 to how the 5.7L 2006 in the UK stands up to the 6.0 in the Uk. IT doesnt work.

dm_h_2007 · 01-12-2007, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

But all the Monaro/GTOs, 5.7 or 6.0, sold after 2004 anywhere in the world have this same fuel tank location issue.

But the point is.. There were no 5.7L sold in the US after 2004. And for 2005 they changed the brakes, suspension, and any number of other things.
Which means you cant compare the US 5.7L 2004 to how the 5.7L 2006 in the UK stands up to the 6.0 in the Uk. IT doesnt work.

Well yes and no. How many times do I need to say I learned that there were none of the "good" 5.7 fuel tank config models sold in the USA from Al Fucking Gore's post? I was WRONG about this!! I fully admit this!

But I don;t agree with " brakes, suspension, and any number of other things". Other than the engine there were no suspension changes from the 5.7 to the 6.0! The GTO board thread you linked said that very clearly! Other than the LS2 the only difference between the 5.7 and the 6.0 is the brakes!

TopGearNL · 01-12-2007, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by dm_h_2007

Originally Posted by graywolf624

But all the Monaro/GTOs, 5.7 or 6.0, sold after 2004 anywhere in the world have this same fuel tank location issue.

But the point is.. There were no 5.7L sold in the US after 2004. And for 2005 they changed the brakes, suspension, and any number of other things.
Which means you cant compare the US 5.7L 2004 to how the 5.7L 2006 in the UK stands up to the 6.0 in the Uk. IT doesnt work.

Well yes and no. How many times do I need to say I learned that there were none of the "good" 5.7 fuel tank config models sold in the USA from Al Fucking Gore's post? I was WRONG about this!! I fully admit this!

But I don;t agree with " brakes, suspension, and any number of other things". Other than the engine there were no suspension changes from the 5.7 to the 6.0! The GTO board thread you linked said that very clearly! Other than the LS2 the only difference between the 5.7 and the 6.0 is the brakes!

Well Vauxhall did fiddle with the suspension when they made the Vxr 6.0 Litre

Or is this about the GTO?

graywolf624 · 01-12-2007, 01:02 AM

*Sigh.. Read above man.. Im not talking about the difference between the 5.7 and 6.0..

Im talking about the difference between the euro 5.7 in 2004 and the euro 5.7 in 2005. If you admit the early year 5.7 werent the same.. And no US 5.7 existed after 2004.. And the euro 5.7 was redone in 2005.. That means there is no euro equivelent to the 2004 gto to compare too. Even without the numerous other differences we've pointed out, the one car isn't going to have the gas tank in the same spot, the other isn't going to be suspended or braked the same.

the 6.0 is the breaks!

Its brakes.

dm_h_2007 · 01-12-2007, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

*Sigh.. Read above man.. Im not talking about the difference between the 5.7 and 6.0..

Im talking about the difference between the euro 5.7 in 2004 and the euro 5.7 in 2005. If you admit the early year 5.7 werent the same.. And no US 5.7 existed after 2004.. And the euro 5.7 was redone in 2005.. That means there is no euro equivelent to the 2004 gto to compare too.

the 6.0 is the breaks!

Its brakes.

Yeah who said anything about a euro equivalent? Im talking about the Ausi 2003 GTO that Clarkson tested, and I assumed was available in at least some other countries at that time besides AUS. Going by Clarkson’s column and James May's and Richard Hammand's comments in Top Gear episodes about the “new” Vauxhall Monaro in the UK not being as good as the “old” one because of the fuel tank issue you would have to surmise that they sold that “good” Monora at least for a time in England!

But if you are now trying to claim that the only place the “good” 5.7s were sold was in Australia?? I would have to say prove it and also write Top Gear and tell them they were wrong.

And pointing out typos to me is pretty low. I know how to spell brakes as I’m sure you know and I am typing a lot and very fast and getting tired. That’s a pretty lame thing to bring up.

TopGearNL · 01-12-2007, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

*Sigh.. Read above man.. Im not talking about the difference between the 5.7 and 6.0..

Im talking about the difference between the euro 5.7 in 2004 and the euro 5.7 in 2005. If you admit the early year 5.7 werent the same.. And no US 5.7 existed after 2004.. And the euro 5.7 was redone in 2005.. That means there is no euro equivelent to the 2004 gto to compare too. Even without the numerous other differences we've pointed out, the one car isn't going to have the gas tank in the same spot, the other isn't going to be suspended or braked the same.

the 6.0 is the breaks!

Its brakes.

It wasn't a comment towards you Graywolf.

graywolf624 · 01-12-2007, 07:17 AM

But if you are now trying to claim that the only place the “good” 5.7s were sold was in Australia?? I would have to say prove it and also write Top Gear and tell them they were wrong.

No. My claim is you cant compare the 04 gto to any other car around the world. It has no direct comparsion. Meaning you can't say whether the 5.7L was a better handler then the 6.0 based on some other countries car.