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Old 03-03-2004, 02:35 PM   #1
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Henry Toivonen 1956-1986

Autosport's 40th anniversary supplement looked at the event in this way:

"Mystery surrounded the death of Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto on the 1986 Tour de Corse: no one saw the Lancia plunge from the hillside into the trees, and such was the intensity of the subsequent fire, there were no clues from the charred remains of the car's spaceframe.

The date, May 4 (May 2nd - I believe this is a mis-print in the article), was already etched in the memory of rally fans, for one year earlier Attilio Bettega had been killed during the Corsican road race. The consequences of Toivonen's accident were sudden and far-reaching. Within hours FISA President Balestre cancelled the Group B supercar era.

Henri broke onto the World scene in 1980, winning the RAC Rally in a Talbot Sunbeam Lotus. The raw talent was there, but a curious blend of impatience and a youthful, agressive will-to-win had denied him a frontline ride until he signed for Lancia. The character remained, but there was now maturity.

A debut win for the Delta S4 on the RAC was followed by victory on the Monte. And in Corsica, car no 4 was utterly dominant, more than 2 minutes clear during the second day and still attacking, this despite Henri being stricken by severe flu prior to the rally start. At rest halts, the 29-year-old appeared almost in a daze. How he produced such speed, was almost beyond belief. It was a mystery which could have only been solved after the rally finish when the Finn would typically have relaxed and produced his background stories which journalists loved.

Instead, the mystery was compounded. There was never such a dark day as that May morning. The news of the accident was received in almost stunned silence by the Lancia mechanics waiting at the end of the stage. Garbled messages crossed the air waves and, as the truth dawned, Henri's friends openly wept. A dear friend had been lost to us all. The following day, FISA killed his reason for being there at all. Things would never be the same again....."

After the accident, a memorial stone was set up at the corner where Henri and Sergio lost their lives. Inevitably, there are always fresh flowers there, which prove that Henri will never be forgotten. Only recently did they put a guardrail there, but the stage is still used for the Tour de Corse.
In 4 may 1985 died Attilio Bettega in the same rallies

Moments before tragedy

No hope in hell


He was very fast and very very spectacular!!!
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Old 03-03-2004, 02:54 PM   #2
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Gilles and Ferarri


when he drove an f1 was crazy






Salut, Gilles is written on the track at the start-finish line of the Montréal Grand Prix circuit named after him. Some have thought that Gilles Villeneuve personified everything good about motor racing, his astonishing natural speed complemented by a diminutive physique coupled with a boyish face and irreverent character. Others said his flamboyance bordered on the reckless. Both are perhaps right, as this dearly loved driver won the hearts of the Ferrari Tifosi — to whom he is still revered today — and was affectionately called the "High Priest of Destruction" by the commendatore himself, Enzo Ferrari. Gilles had a talent for taking anything mechnical and "utterly destroying it," according to Ferrari, who compared Villeneuve's will to win to that of the legendary Tazio Nuvolari of the 1930s.

Rocketing to prominence in the Formula Atlantic scene in the mid-1970s, Villeneuve replaced Niki Lauda at Ferrari for the end of the 1997 Formula One season. Remaining with the Scuderia for his full career, Gilles' statistics (just six wins and 2 poles in six seasons) appear paltry beside his reputation. But a closer look reveals that Villeneuve had such raw natural talent and an enthusiasm for GP racing that the World Championship would have been inevitable. He scored his first win at the Canadian Grand Prix the next season, and in 1979 posted three wins and seven podium finishes while standing honorably by team orders — driving nearly the entire race in 2nd place — at the Italian GP at Monza so that team mate Jody Scheckter could win the title. Described then as "perhaps the most tenacious fighter seen in racing for years," Gilles took 2nd place in the World Championship by a slim four points and in the '79 French Grand Prix, won by Jean-Pierre Jabouille in the first victory for a turbocharged engine in the modern F1 era, waged a fantastic duel with René Arnoux for second place, with Villeneuve crossing the line 0.3 seconds ahead (in the first race announced by Murray Walker for the BBC).




Saddled with an inferior car, Gilles nonetheless won at Monaco in 1981 — pictured above — and in the Spanish GP two seeks later. That would sadly prove to be his last F1 victory, however. Just as Ferrari were developing a promising turbo engine for themselves, the FOCA-FISA controversy led to a virtual boycott of the 1982 San Marino GP. There, in a far from full field of just 14 entries, the Ferrari 126C2 turbos were running 1-2, with Villeneuve leading from Didier Pironi, when the team ordered the drivers to slow to conserve fuel. Yet Pironi passed Villeneuve before the Tosa hairpin with 1/2 lap remaining and took the win, causing Villeneuve — who said "I was cruising along so easily and believed that Pironi was being honest until he slid past me with all wheels locked" — to vow he would never speak to his team mate again.

That would not happen. Consumed with dismay and disbelief at being betrayed, Gilles was determined to beat Pironi in the Dutch Grand Prix at Zolder two weeks later. Taking the track in practice to top Pironi's slightly faster qualifying time, Villeneuve was on a hot lap when the dawdling March of Jochen Mass strayed into his path. Unwilling to lift, Villeneuve ducked inside but was launched over Mass' left rear wheel, the Ferrari instantly cartwheeling to destruction across the track, nose in the sand, flinging the driver out of the cockpit. The suicide-in-installments that was Villeneuve's life had reached its final phase, driving Enzo Ferrari to tears and leading Villeneuve's own son, 1997 World Champion Jacques, to adopt a calculating and far different approach to the "art and genius" of Grand Prix racing. As Nigel Roebuck of Autocourse wrote in 1982, "Gilles has gone, and with him the light of genius in Grand Prix racing. In time, of course, another star will emerge, but it will never twinkle with the same intensity again. We are back to normality once more. The impossible cannot happen."


At Monza is written "Gilles tojour avec moi,1983"

He was crazy as Henry but they were,are LEGENDS of sports i think they never died in motorsport
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Old 03-04-2004, 12:05 AM   #3
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i didn't read all that but toivonen is the guy who lost his life in corsica yeah? i saw the villenueve crash, man it was horrific. made you think F1 guys had the hugest balls EVER.
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Too bad Jacque didn't live up his name....... Even Jenson Button beats the crap out of him and forced him into retiring
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some great and sad pictures from great men! kind of sad to be remembered, but it's nice to hear something about these hero's actually, good job again kawa!
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:18 PM   #6
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i think that this man never forgot because when they drive they drive with heart and 120%,were crazy but in italy Gilles is for "ferraristi" a MITO as ferrari!!! Henri is MITO for "lancisti" was the only drivers then drove s4 at 100%but at corsica lost his life and the life of Sergio Cresto 2 may 1986


Henri started his competitive career in Karts, but once he moved onto cars proper, his grounding was wide and varied. He drove saloon cars - where he was the Finnish Cup Champion, and then he switched to single seaters (Formula V) and won one round of the Scandinavian Championship. Henri then graduated to Formula Super-V, where he promptly won a round of the European series. He became the Finnish FVee champion in 1977.

Rallying was denied him initially due to Finnish legislation on new drivers - hence his exploits on the circuits instead. For the first year after obtaining his license Henri was limited to 80 kph on the open road (50 mph) and so had to wait until he was 19 to compete in his first rallies. His first major event was the 1975 1000 Lakes (Rally of Finland) where he competed in a Simca Rallye 2, partnered by Antero Lindquist.

Under pressure from his family about the safety aspect of circuit racing, he switched to rallying full time, which, looking back on it now, was an extreme case of irony. His first major result was in the 1977 1000 Lakes, which is based around his birthplace of Jyvaskyla - Henri actually lived in Espoo, where his family had moved when he was a toddler.

It was the first time the world had to sit up and notice the young Finn, as he Yumped his Chrysler Avenger to fifth place.

Henri returned to the world scene in 1978, driving two events (Portugal and Acropolis) for Citroen. He didn't finish either event, but he was quick off the mark, and impressed a lot of people. This led to being offered a privateer Porsche for his home event (1000 Lakes) and a semi-works Chrysler for his first visit to the UK's premier rally, the Lombard RAC. Henri finished 9th, and thus began his love affair with British forests in November.

Other one-off works and semi-works drives followed, alongside the campaigning of privately-run Chryslers and Ford Escorts on UK and European and WRC events. Henri's exuberant style of driving meant that most of these rallies were ended stuck in a ditch, up against a wall or wrapped around a tree, but when he did keep it on the road, finishes were top ten or better.

In 1980, after winning the Arctic Rally, he came to Britain to contest the Open series as team mate to Guy Frequelin and Russell Brookes in the Talbot team, with Antero Lindquist as his co-driver. He also drove in selected WRC rounds, managing a fifth place on that years San Remo.

Frequently faster than his more experienced colleagues, his performances were however, somewhat inconsistent until the team decided to replace Antero with first Neil Wilson and then by Paul White, known by Henri as Chalkie. The partnership with White started to gel on the Welsh Rally, and went from strength to strength, where Paul's knowledge of the British special stages paid a big part in the partnership. (note: Paul White was transferred from team mate Russell Brookes' car.)

The big breakthrough came on the Lombard RAC rally, where he outdrove Frequelin and Brookes to win the rally convincingly in a car that wasn't expected to do that well on the event. At just 24 years of age, he was (and still is to this day) the youngest winner of a world championship rally. The skill he showed in the wet and muddy conditions endeared him to the British public...

In 1981, Henri was signed up for a full WRC programme with the Talbot squad, but the car was no longer truly competitive against the fledgeling group B machinery. The revision of the rules meant that the RWD Group 2 car was effectively obsolete.

Despite the performance handicap, he still managed second places on both the San Remo and Portuguese Rallies as well as a 5th place on the Monte Carlo Rally. He also had a new co-driver, Fred Gallagher, later of Juha Kankkunen fame. One of the high points of the season, was a win on the Audi Sport International Rally, the only win of the season for the Talbot squad, courtesy of a guest appearance by Henri in the final round of the British Open Rally Championship.

1982 brought a move to the Rothmans-sponsored Opel Europe team, managed by Tony Fall, an ex-BMC works driver (in Mini Coopers) and Dave Richards ('81 champion co-driver and now entrant of Subaru in the WRC), where his team mates were Walter Rohrl, Ari Vatanen and Jimmy McRae. He managed 3rd on the Acropolis, 5th on the San Remo and 3rd on the RAC, all in the Ascona 400. Incredibly enough, Henri also guested in one of the Thruxton rounds of the British F3 championship, finishing in a creditable 10th place in a Ralt RT3.

Henri also drove for Opel in the newer Manta 400 in 1983 (a car nominally in the fledgeling Group B category), but the car was losing ground fast to the much more powerful machinery fielded by Lancia and Audi. He still managed a strong fourth place on the San Remo and guested in several rounds of the British Open series. The highlight of the year was winning the 1983 Manx International Rally at the first attempt, the first driver to do so... It was to be his first and only tarmac rally win.

The Mille Pistes rally of 1983 - held in the Camargue region of France - was certainly the most bizarre of events though. Driving the Manta 400, Henri had the rally at his mercy, leading by a considerable margin. Halfway through the event, the organisers suddenly decided that they would ban the Group B cars, effective immediately. So despite finishing first on the road, Henri didn't actually "win" the rally, and a rather embarrassing podium ceremony ensued, with him and Ian Grindrod receiving a set of consolation trophies.

1983 also brought a change of scenery. This time, it was the World Endurance Championships, where he signed up to race a Porche 956, chassis no 956-106-2 , for Richard Lloyd Racing. He practiced the car at Imola for round 7, but finally got to race the car in round 8 at Mugello, where he finished third in the 6 hour race, partnered by Jonathan Palmer and Derek Bell.

1984 brought an end to Henri's association with Opel Team Europe, and he settled for a drive in the Porsche 911 S in the European Rally Championship, the Rothmans sponsorship and the Dave Richards connection carried through from the previous seasons getting him the drive.

Despite missing several rounds through ill health, back problems in particular, he still finished second in the series with 369 points, only 56 behind the series winner Carlo Capone in a Lancia 037. By now, Henri also had a new co-driver in Juha Piironen, (formerly and subsequently with Juha Kankkunen) but on some of the rounds that Henri contested, Ian Grindrod was in the hot-seat when "Piiro" was unavailable.

When the chance came to drive for Lancia, Henri took it with both hands. Fed up with the pushme - pullme of the Rothmans patronage and the lack of four-wheel drive, Cesare Fiorio's offer (including a 4WD car) was the escape that Henri needed. He made his debut in the Rally of Portugal, and also finished third on that years 1000 Lakes. It was enough to convince the Turin set-up to sign him on a more or less full-time basis for the following season.

The first half of 1985, was a frustrating experience, as both Henri and his team mate, Markku Alen struggled with the now long-in-the-tooth 037 Rallye against the might of Peugeot and Audi. The main problems were that a) the RWD only Lancia struggled in anything less than perfect road conditions, and b) the 4WD Delta S4 was still only at the prototype stage and suffering from extensive developmental and reliability problems.

Henri, whose driving had by now matured considerably since the crash-bang-wallop attitude of his early career, still managed to string together some decent results regardless: 6th on the Monte, 4th on the 1000 Lakes and 3rd on the San Remo. This despite that the venerable 037 really was not entirely compatible with Henri's style of driving.

The only set-back was a crash on the Costa Smeralda rally, where Henri inexplicably stuffed his car into a brick wall and broke three vertebrae in his neck as a result. The Finn always had a history of back and neck problems (a common complaint of rally drivers) and this didn't exactly help his cause. the subsequent enforced lay-off of four months - and a third of that in plaster - put the brakes on what had been a fairly consistent season up to that point.

There was also disappointment that the new group B challenger, the Delta S4, was not proving to be entirely competitive on its trial European Championship rounds. The new car was undeniably fast, but also proved to be extremely fragile when pushed to the limit. A few tweaks to the Delta S4 transformed the car dramatically, though introducing it onto the world rally championship stage for the Lombard RAC was always going to be a gamble. But if it paid off, the rewards would be huge.

The Delta was to prove the class of the rally, even the mighty Evo 2 Quattros couldn't keep the car in check. Henri, now partnered once more by Neil Wilson (who usually co-drove for Russell Brookes) consistently out drove team mate Markku Alen to win the rally by an embarrassingly large margin. Again, as in 1980, he wowed the British fans with his driving, though little did the spectators realise, it was the last time they would see their hero alive on these shores.

1986 began where the previous year left off for Henri, with a convincing win on the Monte Carlo Rally. He was now partnered by Sergio Cresto, a promising young American co-driver. After the Monte win, there came a string of good performances, though somewhat thin on results, plus another win on the Costa Smeralda.

The Tour de Corse began on the 1st of May. Henri was suffering from flu, but insisted on driving regardless. Even though he was walking around semi-comatose in comparison to his usual jumpy and nervous self, he was constantly putting up the fastest times for each stage. Competitors and spectators alike could not grasp how someone so far from fitness, could pull out a performance like that.

The wisdom of that was debatable though, as it was not to last. On the 7th kilometer of the eighteenth stage, the Lancia inexplicably left the road and plunged down a ravine, landing on its roof. The aluminium fuel tank, ruptured by the trees as the car rolled down the cliff-face, exploded. Clouds of thick black smoke pinpointed the accident, but there were no marshalls or spectators nearby to lend assistance. Still strapped in their seats and with no means of escape, Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto burned to death.

No one knew of the accident at the stage finish, and it was only when the Lancia hadn't emerged from the competitive section on schedule, did the team realise that something was amiss. It wasn't until the next crew through explained about the black smoke and fire seven kilometers into the stage, did everyone understand that there had been an accident involving Henri's Lancia.

But it was too late. By the time the emergency services reached the scene, they were faced by an inferno. The trees in which the car had come to rest were so dry, that they added to the flames, fanned by the breeze. The remains of the car was so charred, that the Lancia engineers and technicians couldn't physically determine the cause of the crash.

So, exactly how Henri Toivonen and his co-driver, Sergio Cresto died, is still a mystery to this day. Was there a problem with the car, or was it that Henri's ill health* caused him to lose control of an extremely powerful and car on some of the most treacherous roads in Europe? We will never know, though Henri himself admitted that even he didn't really know how to drive the S4 Maybe we wouldn't want to know... It would only increase the pain caused by such a tragic loss to the sport of rallying.

* Walter Rohrl later confirmed that Henri was indeed taking some form of medicine at the time to alleviate his flu symptoms. Whether this may have been a potential cause of the crash remains unknown.

Henri left behind a wife, Erja, and two young children, Arla and Markus. Sergio was single and had no children.



As Henri Gilles had two sons


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Old 03-04-2004, 07:17 PM   #7
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Thanks kawa, very interesting facts
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Old 03-09-2004, 08:58 AM   #8
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Always very nice read something about them. Look to my avatar and sign, guy. Since I saw Gilles in action I Knew that he´s one of the gratest man in F1 ever after only reached six wins in G.G. P.P.
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Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
Originally Posted by 5vz-fe
Too bad Jacque didn't live up his name....... Even Jenson Button beats the crap out of him and forced him into retiring
Jacques is the most carismatic driver at the moment, as Gilles was in his time. Jacques won a World Championship in his second year, against Michael Schumacher (you know, the guy who has recently won his 6th World Championship)... BAR wasn't a good team for him... and, anyway, Jenson Button is a very good driver.
I wouldn't say Jenson beat the crap out of him. Jacque and Jenson both are excellent drivers, but I agree w/ Dani, BAR just wasn't a good fit for Jacque. (Maybe he'll find a ride w/ Williams next year.)

Kawa thanks for the briefs and the pictures . To bad that Gilles was before my time. I just saw that clip of him against Arnoux for SECOND PLACE!!! Man those drivers back then. . .
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jacque is a great driver look

1995 Indycar Championship - 1st
1994 Indycar Championship - "Rookie of the Year"
1993 Atlantic Series - "Rookie of the Year"
1992 Japanese F3 Championship - 2nd
1991 Italian F3 Championship - 6th
1990 Italian F3 Championship - 14th
1989 Italian F3 Championship

rookie of the year next championship.

lets talk about F1 first season jacque and hill won 16 of the races. second season championship. thrid season ranault left F1 because they kept win champsionships. thats when ferrari took over. .

jacque lives up to his name, but he is not as good as his father. just like lots of other sons of great drivers. andretti, Rednec richard petty. Unser, and many others.

but the boys got skills all he needs is a good fast car and honda will provide him with one soon WATCH Honda comes though all the time




even his dad doesnt have that one (RIP)
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Like Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve is another second-generation Grand Prix driver who escaped the long shadow of a famous father, Gilles, to become World Champion through his own efforts and on his own terms.

He claims he was always going to follow in his father's footsteps, though Jacques was just 11 years old when Gilles was killed in 1982. Brought up in Monaco rather than his native Canada, Villeneuve has been guided from the beginning by Craig Pollock, his former sports master at school. After an initial foray in saloon cars, Villeneuve learned his craft in F3 in Italy and Japan before moving Stateside and the American Formula Atlantic championship.

This campaign was backed by Players cigarettes, which helped his graduation to Indycars in 1994. A promising season was followed by a superb one in 1995 as he took victory in the Indianapolis 500 as well as the Indycar championship. This, together with the desire by F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone to see an 'American' driver in F1, eased him straight into the top Grand Prix team in the business for 1996.

After putting his Williams on pole position for his F1 debut, Villeneuve scored three wins and took the championship battle with teammate Damon Hill down to the wire. At Estoril he also earned the ultimate respect of the F1 world by doing the unthinkable - passing Michael Schumacher round the outside.

Credentials thus established, Villeneuve headed into 1997 looking to go one better than his '96 runner-up position. After beginning the year strongly, he suffered some midseason 'wobbles' - crashing out of the lead in Canada through pure driving error, being off the pace in both France and Germany - which was all the inspired Schumacher needed to take the lead of the series. A strong fight back by Williams and Villeneuve looked like reaping its reward though, until the penultimate round in Japan where Villeneuve was suspended for a practice yellow flag infringement - his fourth of the season - and Schumacher won.

All of which left Villeneuve virtually neck and neck with the German for a dramatic showdown at Jerez for the European Grand Prix. Though Schumacher made the early running, after both drivers had made their routine stops, Jacques began to hunt the Ferrari down. Once it was in his sights he decided to surprise Schumacher by diving for the inside from a long way back. It was a beautiful move and Schumacher indeed was surprised. When he realized his error he turned into the Williams but succeeded only in putting himself into the gravel trap and out of the race. Villeneuve continued in the lead and on the last lap allowed the McLarens of Hakkinen and Coulthard to overtake him. His championship was thus secure, and had been won the hard way.
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I never got to see Gilles race..........
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Nevermind Spad,

In time you'll be able to tell your grandchilderen that you've seen the great Michael Schumacher race for Ferrari
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Thanks Kawa for the fabulous pics. I appreciate you pairing these drivers - both supremely gifted and certainly would have retired as champions in their fields if they didn't die so prematurely.

I would like to add Stefan Bellof to this list. He was another gifted charger also killed too soon. He was a F1 pilot and group C sportscar driver later. In Monaco '84 - the race that made Ayrton's reputation - it is a less emphasised fact that Stefan Bellof was the fastest driver in the wet and being swifter than both Ayrton and Alain, was catching them a rapid pace... He also set a phenomenal time at the Nurburgring in the Porsche 962 - I think it has not been equaled since :shock: ...

Jacques is the most carismatic driver at the moment, as Gilles was in his time.
Aaaaaah, but there is a small difference, Gilles' charisma was evident on the track with unearthly car control (like Tazio Nuvolari) and unquestioned bravery. Jacques charisma is more evident through his non-conformist attitude than by anything else. Both Villeneuves are/were unquestionably brave but IMHO it is a disservice to Gilles to compare him with Jacques...
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Thanks Kawa for the good pics that youve showed to us, and for the complete and precise text as well
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