Originally Posted by Daggernite
Im not vette hating here so dont hate me ok? But I think this video gives an example as to why the majority of people just cant get excited about the new Z06.
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No it doesn't
People admit and are aware that the F360, the F360Cs and F360GT etc are different cras essentially and beahve differently.
No difference here.
The first 3 cars in that video are 4wd on a shortish tight track. I Don't see you simply writing off the NSX?
And again - the Corvette Coupe in that video is NOT a Z06, not even a C5 Z06 - which is a lighter car, more powerful car, wider tyred car, stickier tyred car, shorter geared car, stiffer and sports suspended car.
What part of THAT is not understandable.
And this thread was to enjoy a compilation video - not for some hating fuckwas to come post an inflamatory vidoe out of context to start and argument.
That is the most important point.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
I mean in the video, the corvette is what? the third most powerful on track yet comes last. beaten by the "four banger" evo and Inline6 skyline which has only 280bhp and much smaller engines. I think people have to presume its the handlings fault on the vette, hence the saying "american cars cant take corners", and since the other major american car the Viper handles even worse, that statment stays in peoples heads even more.
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I must correct you - the Viper does not handle worse than the Corvette Coupe - it handles much better. Please understand the Z51 suspended Coupe in the BM video is NOT a balls-to-the wall car - it is a middle-of-the-road car aimed at people who don't feel like having a hard edged razor edge car.
The 911TT, the Evo and the GTR-R
are hardcore, hardedged - and in the same excercise the Boxster, SAkyline Taxi and Lancer Econbox would suck - but you never see this brought up.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
Personally I cant blame people for thinking that, I've seen the C5 on the touge section and they said it was dangerous, and visually you can see it did'nt look too good.
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Again - The STOCK MUTHER FUCKING COUPE!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT THE HARDEGDED BALLSOUT MODEL!!!
PLEASE!!!! I wish people would present factual correct information.
How many times does it have to be explained.
There is a soft egded general consumption Corvette made for the masses and everyman joe.
And there is a purpose-made hard egded ballsout model - Just like the Evo-any-version, the Skyline GTR, the 911TT and 911GT3 and even the NSXR etc.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
So I think the people of JW, and the world see videos like this, and really you never see anything good for the corvette other than highway videos of amateurs dragracing ferrari's which means shit all really, because in the back of peoples heads you know that professionals can take a lesser powered japanese car round a track and whoop it.
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And again 10000000000000000 times has it been sadi -
LOOK AT WHICH MODEL IS BEING SHOWCASED!!!!!!!
People are biased and like to talk shit and hate on the car - and DO NOT consider the model under scrutiny.
Peoplr of the world and JW are fucking idiots then if after 16 years they have not figu8red out there are 2 godamnmuthafucking models of Corvette available.
Let me say it again.
For the C4 :
The Coupe/Vert (with some other otions)
The ZR1
For the C5:
The Coupe. (and Vert)
And the Z06.
And again for the C6:
The Coupe (and vert)
And the Z06.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
Now the part where I agree with RC45.
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Note the above tyrade is not directed at you - but is simply using your post as the vehicle for delivery.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
The latest corvette, the Z06 seems to be a vette which has come from diffrent thinking.
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Correction - this has been true since 1990 when the ZR1 was rolled out.
It is just nobody admitted it.
The C5 Z06 is an F360 betaer and an F360CS equal in many areas. That is how good the and different the C5 Z06 is from the C5 Coupe.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
I think everyone should try forget the past and look whats on offer today
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Again - I must correct you.
It not just "the Corvette of today" - it is also the C5 Z06 produced since August 2000 and the C4 Zr1 produced from August 1989.
Again - please be aware that the C5 Z05 didn't lap the Nurburgring in 7m56s because it sucks.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
Instead of just giving it a hugh engine, cheap everything else, and luring everyone in with a cheap price tag. The engine, matrials, and nearly every aspects of the car has got the same kind of attention which the Ferraris and other supercars get. It does'nt have the visual greatness of a ferrari inside or out. But all is fair, your paying alot less.
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This holds true for the C4 ZR1, the C5 Z06 and the C6 Z06.
The attention to detaiol in the C5 Z06 included special lighter thinner windshields, GYF! SC tyres (yes the same compound rubber as on the F50, Macca F1 and the F360 among others) and there are other points from the ZR1, the C5 Z06 and the C6 Z06.
Just because the ZR1 and the C5 Z06 were not sold in Europe, Japan and else where does not mean the cars never existed or diminish their ability.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
God im ranting on alot aint I. Let me summarize.
RC, basically, I agree with you people should lighten up on the new Z06, its great.
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What abotu the previous Z06 and the ZR1? See just beacuse you guys don't know the cars capabilities doesn't mean they are not capable.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
But I would say stop been so defensive as a vette owner tho, the Z06 will shine through if its a great car all by itself.
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No it won't. People start out giving it shit - period. The C5 Z06 lapped the Nurburgring in the same times as the Porsche GT3 and it still gets not consideration.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
I think your frustrated knowing its not getting the respect it should, but on another note, people aint going to change there minds so quickly either. Especially when there use to videos like that from bmi, clearly showing that the past models was not on par with the rest of the world.
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The Coupe - which is a softer car. Purpose built to be a softer car. Purpose built to NOT be the cutting hard edged ballsout model.
And a video that had no buisiness being posted int his thread by the way. That is even just another example of people being biased jerks for the sake of being jerks.
A fuckingtention idiots of the world and JW!!!! The C5 Coupe in the BMI Video is like the WRX is to the STi - cool but not the dogs bollucks by any means
Originally Posted by Daggernite
and to other members I would say, dont judge the new Z06 on past models, they've tried really hard this time round. As a car lover I like cars to get the respect they deserve so makers continue making car in that fashion. Lets just see how it does.
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I respect your sentiment but again - your own uneducation and bias is showing up right here.
WTF is this "give the new model credit"??
The previous mopdel stands toes to toe with the F360CS and the P911GT3 - those are generational peers.
Originally Posted by Daggernite
I hate to act like a sissy boy and be the voice of reason, but this whole american and corvette VS the world is getting terrible. The last month has been like a war. I understand both sides of the story, but where all here because we love cars right?
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You will not change the bias that arseholes, jerks and pricks have.
They will say what they say - and hold the opinion they have.
Yet int he same breath would NEVER consider judging the Skyline GT-R on the performance of a mid-model Skyline - but are happy to that for the Vette.
I could care less who like or hates the car - but don't have to sit by as people talk shit and promote false info.
I have never claimed the ZR1, C5 Z06 or C6 Z06 are the best at anything - I have simply said they are/were world class cars that can stand on their own - and people who drive and race them know this and give credit where it is due.
I just would like all the losers who purposefully clutter ever post with false bias to shape up or ship out.
That is getting tiring as wel