American and European....two different ways??

[ported_head]

i just love american muscle cars..i really do.... but why do americans build cars that are frankly well just any good for the straight line. europeans on the other hand make cars that are powerful.. go fast in the straight line and around corners and i believe that's where all the excitement is. european cars are also very beautiful, while the americans somehow just keep harking back to their muscle car era..which did produce some very good looking cars...but where is the creativity. also european cars are very technologically advanced..while some american cars till sometime back were still using pushrod engines.

now some of you will mention the viper...which is a very fine car..and it corners very well too...and i absolutely love it..so no doubts there. but the vette..i dont think so..i remember reading an article about alistair mcrae..where he was fond of the vette till he drove one that is.

just looking for people's opinions...dont want it to be a flame thread.

[graywolf624]

"but why do americans build cars that are frankly well just any good for the straight line. "

What cars are you talking about that only go well in a straightline.

The corvette would run circles around most cars and anything in its price range. This depends on the model of corvette but they have a higher skid pad and slalom then anything in that price range. Remember mcrae runs awd off road cars so hes also use to different setups.
The camaro would be competitive in the corners.
The GTO would be competitive.
The ford focus svt and dodge srt4 would handle many of the fwd european cars.

[Nemisis8u]

Originally Posted by ported_head .....european cars are also very beautiful....

have you seen the 5 series, hardly a beautiful car

as far as the "handling" is concerned are you comparing ferraris to mustangs? Please bring up two cars that are in the same category and then we will talk

[godspeed06]

dude, you basically opened up a flame thread. that post is so full of bullshit i don't know where to begin. you don't mention any specifics and then bash cars you haven't even named while praising others which you haven't named. pull your head out of your ass and attempt to make a decent thread. i know it is hard for some people and that it might take you a little longer than others, but that i guess is what makes the world so great. i mean it would be pretty boring if everyone was intelligent.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by ported_head i just love american muscle cars..i really do.... but why do americans build cars that are frankly well just any good for the straight line. europeans on the other hand make cars that are powerful.. go fast in the straight line and around corners and i believe that's where all the excitement is. european cars are also very beautiful, while the americans somehow just keep harking back to their muscle car era..which did produce some very good looking cars...but where is the creativity. also european cars are very technologically advanced..while some american cars till sometime back were still using pushrod engines. now some of you will mention the viper...which is a very fine car..and it corners very well too...and i absolutely love it..so no doubts there. but the vette..i dont think so..i remember reading an article about alistair mcrae..where he was fond of the vette till he drove one that is. just looking for people's opinions...dont want it to be a flame thread.

Your knowledge of cars in general is about as lacking as your geo-political knowledge.

You mentioned wisdom in an earlier post - sometimes the wise thing to do is keep quiet, thereby leaving people guessing about your level of intelligence - instead of actually saying something and removing all doubt.

[aawil]

Cars like the camaro,charger,challenger and alot of others as well.The difference is roads in america tend to be straighter quite frankly than the curvy roads in europe where a good handling Is more essential in daily driving. The vette probably had the best blend of them all when the 63 up came out.Great power plus great handling.

[coloradosilver]

Guess what? I'll bet you can't find a european sports car for the same $40,000 that I paid for my corvette that can out-accelerate, or take it on a road course. :fist:

[SFDMALEX]

Shit..........this subject should be taboo, which ever way you put it, it always turns out in a flame war.



coloradosilver- I'm pretty sure an Exige will smoke a Z06 on a road course.

[godspeed06]

Cars like the camaro,charger,challenger and alot of others as well.

they don't even make these cars anymore. give me a fuckin break. everyone has this stereotype about muscle cars from the sixties or something. give it up. they don't make 4000 pound, 502 cubic inch engine, tanks of steel anymore. they just don't. you guys act like european cars are the fucking second coming of christ. leave it alone. some american cars are shitty and some european cars are shitty. quite this euro vs. american stuff.

[blah]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by ported_head i just love american muscle cars..i really do.... but why do americans build cars that are frankly well just any good for the straight line. europeans on the other hand make cars that are powerful.. go fast in the straight line and around corners and i believe that's where all the excitement is. european cars are also very beautiful, while the americans somehow just keep harking back to their muscle car era..which did produce some very good looking cars...but where is the creativity. also european cars are very technologically advanced..while some american cars till sometime back were still using pushrod engines. now some of you will mention the viper...which is a very fine car..and it corners very well too...and i absolutely love it..so no doubts there. but the vette..i dont think so..i remember reading an article about alistair mcrae..where he was fond of the vette till he drove one that is. just looking for people's opinions...dont want it to be a flame thread. Your knowledge of cars in general is about as lacking as your geo-political knowledge. You mentioned wisdom in an earlier post - sometimes the wise thing to do is keep quiet, thereby leaving people guessing about your level of intelligence - instead of actually saying something and removing all doubt.

You are my hero.

[SFDMALEX]

Anyway, how the fuck can we compare the two?

1. America makes their cars based on the people in America, and their surroundings.

2. Europe makes their cars based on people in Europe and their surroundings.

Guess what???? People are different, and the environments that they live in are also different.

Have you been to America or Canada even? The roads here are as straight as an arrow, and all the corners are 90degrees.

Been to Europe?(In general) I know how the roads there are, and trust me they are completly different from American. They are twisty as hell, with loops and corners instead of straights.

Americans like to drink coffee while driving, Europeans cant drink coffe because they got to shift down gears because of that corner right ahead.

So you cant compare the regular cars of the two "contenents" since they are build for different people who live in totaly different circumstances.


Muscle cars are a whole culture in US. Just like Harley riders. Europe does not make anything like that, so there is nothing to compare here.

In Conclusion you cant compare the two. You can only compare sports cars and supercars since they have the same purpose everywere.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by blah You are my hero.

Uhm - now that is a scary thought... LOL

[ported_head]

oh RC..you kill me every time man...you should be my hero too.....intelligence is such a subjective term man...lighten up... and incase you do not happen know..my geo-political knowledge is just about apt too... or are you just used to people shutting up to whatever you had to say and make you their hero.

it could have been a better post .. and i could have given every american car for every european car..but i wanted to keep it short... and let those things be left to you guys..but i guess people around the world function in different ways..and i would have to remember that henceforth.

could jabba just lock this thread instead...because i really dont see it going anywhere...especially with people like RC drowning me with all the wisodm that he is so full off.... maybe RC you could come to Bihar in India..sit where Buddha did..and wait for your halo..and while your their you could work on your geo-political knowledge too.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by ported_head oh RC..you kill me every time man...you should be my hero too.....intelligence is such a subjective term man...lighten up... and incase you do not happen know..my geo-political knowledge is just about apt too... or are you just used to people shutting up to whatever you had to say and make you their hero. it could have been a better post .. and i could have given every american car for every european car..but i wanted to keep it short... and let those things be left to you guys..but i guess people around the world function in different ways..and i would have to remember that henceforth. could jabba just lock this thread instead...because i really dont see it going anywhere...especially with people like RC drowning me with all the wisodm that he is so full off.... maybe RC you could come to Bihar in India..sit where Buddha did..and wait for your halo..and while your their you could work on your geo-political knowledge too.

...so I take it your family has money then - you after all seem to be educated...

You are now trying to back track from a comment/question you clearly wanted to make - or surely you wouldn't have made it:

but why do americans build cars that are frankly well just any good for the straight line. europeans on the other hand make cars that are powerful.. go fast in the straight line and around corners and i believe that's where all the excitement is.

How is this question not starting a flame war?

I doubt I am anyone's actual hero, at least I hope not - except for expressing what they are already thinking, which is "Why do so many people ask the same stupid question over and over again?"

And as too how people function in different parts of the world - I thought you were already worldy geo-politcally wise.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by brembo LOL, I knew where this thread was going when I saw it.

Apparently only one person missed this cue... LOL

but I still think that a non sportcar from BMW or Audi got better handling than a non sportcar from the US.

This is what folks should say, if that's what they mean. And this is very true. I have owned 3 Lincoln Towncars since I arrived in the US.

There is no doubt, the Towncar was a land yacht, and handled and stopped like one - in other words not very well - but the luxury inside was on a par with the best Europe could offer - so I had a chance to be wrapped in BMW/Mercedes/Bentley luxury - for less than 1/3 of the price, by purchase a year old Towncar (Cadillac and Lincoln devalue faster than shit in summer)

Respect is given not taken remember that.

...so you mean you can't carpet bomb someone into respecting you...??? LOL