new Mustang

[FordGTGuy]

what information can we get about this new mustang thats faster than the Corvette c6?

[T-Bird]

rumors, there is no proof of any super Mustang or this supposed super Camaro in 4 years. No one has any real proof of these cars, just like there is no official info about any of the "tuned" mustangs all Roush gave was a few pics and Saleen hasn't realesed anything yet. Kenny Brown already has parts for the car which isn't even really out yet (you should see the empty space the dealers have made for them out here). Steeda has a line of aftermarket parts available for the Mustang already to change every part of the car.

[FordGTGuy]

its apposed to be a Cobra right? SVT Cobra R

[FordGTGuy]

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...7b&forumid=150

a good lil forum about it

[T-Bird]

yeah thata forum is full of "I wish" topics but no physical proof or info about the new Cobra and it will be atleast another year before it is released so don't count on anything just yet.

[nthfinity]

im not aware of any 'r' badging yet. but yes, C6 slayer is quite the accurate term. C6 Z 'slayer' isnt.
im fairly sure the 'roush' pictures are photoshoped pictures, so i only take them as strong as that.
comparing the stang to the vette is only currently comparable in the straightaways. with how heavy the new beast may be, i dont look for higher then perhaps a bit better then current cobra limits... but definately, better feel.

[RC45]

LOL - keep dreaming guys.. --- Ford lost the recipe book for cooking anything decent other the mid-engine-rear-drive layout, and the new GT proves it.

Give Ford an unlimited budget and they build a decent performance car - ask them to build something affordable and they fuck it up with bland committee designs.. ...

Even the SVT Cobra's of the last decade were supposed to be the shit - and without extra money being spent on them, they turned out to be just that, shit..

[number77]

you are also forgetting about the rumored, 7.0L (427) z06
i have heard about a fast stang that might, MIGHT take a base vette. i give their credibility about 70%
the super camaro, that will be able to take a base vette no questions asked, is about 90% credible.
the thing is that ford performance division is trying to keep up, but we must all remember that they have to compete with all of GM in their sales, and getting $ and board votes for high end sports car development isn't were profit is made.

[blah]

Originally Posted by RC45 LOL - keep dreaming guys.. --- Ford lost the recipe book for cooking anything decent other the mid-engine-rear-drive layout, and the new GT proves it. Give Ford an unlimited budget and they build a decent performance car - ask them to build something affordable and they fuck it up with bland committee designs.. ... Even the SVT Cobra's of the last decade were supposed to be the shit - and without extra money being spent on them, they turned out to be just that, shit..

some one got smoked by a cobra

[FordGTGuy]

Cobras are very nice cars i think.

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by number77 you are also forgetting about the rumored, 7.0L (427) z06 i have heard about a fast stang that might, MIGHT take a base vette. i give their credibility about 70% the super camaro, that will be able to take a base vette no questions asked, is about 90% credible. the thing is that ford performance division is trying to keep up, but we must all remember that they have to compete with all of GM in their sales, and getting $ and board votes for high end sports car development isn't were profit is made.

the rumored 427 is a fact. originally during testing earlier this year, they were dyno'd out at 480hp@ the crank. i met the engineer who designed the electronics and mechanics to push it to a whooping 507 hp @ the crank. they officially have met thier goal of 500 hp n/a. to gain the extra 37hp, they designed a special extra exhaust valve bypass system for a more free flowing exhaust, and different geometry, while maintaining fuel efficiansy to avoid the gas guzzler tax, and meeting/exceeding emmissions goals. it is a seemless transistion when the throttle is more fully depressed to actuate the exhaust valve system, and the engine note is quite different. not to mention the most excleelent handling charactaristics this car is going to maintain, or exceed. i just wonder about the cost... hopefully not returning to the ZR-1 territory...

a totally fun mustang cobra wont meet that at all... until tuned just a wee bit for just a few bucks (compared with the price of tuning this vette). chances are that the mustang cobra's torque will be greater then that of the vette z series, and hp is quite similar. i assume to be just a 1/2 second different in the 1/4 mile when its all said and done. if its any more then that, its just because of excess wheel spin on the 'slobra'

[graywolf624]

this supposed super Camaro in 4 years.

I do hope your not talking about the 2002 zl1.. I've ridden in it and have the pictures to prove it.

i met the engineer who designed the electronics and mechanics to push it to a whooping 507 hp @ the crank.

thats pretty poor considering gm has an alluminum 427 that pushes 600 hp na at the crank.

[coloradosilver]

Originally Posted by nthfinity Originally Posted by number77 you are also forgetting about the rumored, 7.0L (427) z06 i have heard about a fast stang that might, MIGHT take a base vette. i give their credibility about 70% the super camaro, that will be able to take a base vette no questions asked, is about 90% credible. the thing is that ford performance division is trying to keep up, but we must all remember that they have to compete with all of GM in their sales, and getting $ and board votes for high end sports car development isn't were profit is made. the rumored 427 is a fact. originally during testing earlier this year, they were dyno'd out at 480hp@ the crank. i met the engineer who designed the electronics and mechanics to push it to a whooping 507 hp @ the crank. they officially have met thier goal of 500 hp n/a. to gain the extra 37hp, they designed a special extra exhaust valve bypass system for a more free flowing exhaust, and different geometry, while maintaining fuel efficiansy to avoid the gas guzzler tax, and meeting/exceeding emmissions goals. it is a seemless transistion when the throttle is more fully depressed to actuate the exhaust valve system, and the engine note is quite different. not to mention the most excleelent handling charactaristics this car is going to maintain, or exceed. i just wonder about the cost... hopefully not returning to the ZR-1 territory... a totally fun mustang cobra wont meet that at all... until tuned just a wee bit for just a few bucks (compared with the price of tuning this vette). chances are that the mustang cobra's torque will be greater then that of the vette z series, and hp is quite similar. i assume to be just a 1/2 second different in the 1/4 mile when its all said and done. if its any more then that, its just because of excess wheel spin on the 'slobra'

I HIGHLY doubt that Ford will build a mustang that will be able to run with the Z06. With the current models (2004) Even a bone stock Z06 will beat an SVT. (Thats exceptionally sad because the mustang even has a supercharger on it.)

And lets be honest here, How many Z06 drivers leave their cars bone stock? I'm very active in the corvette community (because I own one) and have only seen a few out of many that have been left stock.

If the new Z06 does come with a 500hp / 7.0L / 427cid engine all the owner would need to do is thow on some headers, exhaust, intake, and do some tuning and that car will be up in the 550hp range NA. For an additional $3,000, they could throw on a Head and Cam package and that car would be well on it's way to the 700hp range with a few more minor mods (All NA).

I don't even want to talk about what you can do with this engine if you threw on a Supercharger as ford has had to do.

The point is that for the Ford Mustang to catch up with the Z06 in the departments of straight line acceleration and handling(yeah right) :roll: They're going to have to do a lot more work with engine size and mechanics, weight saving techniques, and suspension work.

It just isn't going to happen any time soon. Sorry Ford guys. For the price, the Z06 is still going to be the best bang for the buck money can buy.

[T-Bird]

OK who gives a fuck if the Z06 can beat a Cobra...
NO SHIT! they aren't contenders, the Corvette is a Sports car and the Cobra is a Muscle Car they are different and yeah Ford installed a Supercharger on their car but think about it, they have a smaller engine than the Corvette has I'm sure if Ford spent the time to build a 6.0L V8 they would be just fine considering the GT has a smaller engine than that and it has 550hp so if they went bigger they could do it and if they go to a 7.0L they can throw a SC on that too and kick the shit out of your precious Corvette, the fact is that the new Mustang will be one hell of a car if you haven't noticed lately Bill Ford has been letting alot of better cars out the door so the idea of a very quick Mustang isn't out of the Question although I think they have let that up to all their outside contracts like Steeda, Roush, Saleen, Kenny Brown and now Shelby so you won't have a hard time finding a Fast as Fuck Warrantied (key word) Car and considering Saleen and Shelby like to shoe horn large engines in smaller areas you can probably expect some very large hp numbers from them that could kick the shit out of a Z06. No matter what you say the cheapest and easiest car to make HP from is the Mustang and it always will be.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by T-Bird OK who gives a fuck if the Z06 can beat a Cobra... NO SHIT! they aren't contenders, the Corvette is a Sports car and the Cobra is a Muscle Car they are different and yeah Ford installed a Supercharger on their car but think about it, they have a smaller engine than the Corvette has I'm sure if Ford spent the time to build a 6.0L V8 they would be just fine considering the GT has a smaller engine than that and it has 550hp so if they went bigger they could do it and if they go to a 7.0L they can throw a SC on that too and kick the shit out of your precious Corvette, the fact is that the new Mustang will be one hell of a car if you haven't noticed lately Bill Ford has been letting alot of better cars out the door so the idea of a very quick Mustang isn't out of the Question although I think they have let that up to all their outside contracts like Steeda, Roush, Saleen, Kenny Brown and now Shelby so you won't have a hard time finding a Fast as Fuck Warrantied (key word) Car and considering Saleen and Shelby like to shoe horn large engines in smaller areas you can probably expect some very large hp numbers from them that could kick the shit out of a Z06. No matter what you say the cheapest and easiest car to make HP from is the Mustang and it always will be.

Some one got beat by a Vette?