Shelby GT 500 KR testing

[fordgt84]

Carroll Shelby riding shotgun in a prototype, vid of him talking about it, and another of its development

Carroll Shelby rides GT500KR development vehicle - YouTube

Carroll Shelby rides GT500KR development vehicle - YouTube

Carroll Shelby talks about the Shelby GT500KR - YouTube

Carroll Shelby talks about the Shelby GT500KR - YouTube

Ford's Shelby GT500KR development vehicle - YouTube

Ford's Shelby GT500KR development vehicle - YouTube

it sounds like a beast and i want one really bad

[pagani]

Will be interesting to see how it compares handling wise whit the normal shelby gt500

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by pagani Will be interesting to see how it compares handling wise whit the normal shelby gt500

this car corners much more flatly, doesn't induce very much dive under braking, has a balance leading toward more oversteer... they only look similar really, and have the same chassis

No matter what the vette people say, it is directly comparable to a C6 in performance characteristics

[RC45]

On principle I am anti anything that Shelby touches from now on.

The mans treatment of the people who have supported his products and maintained his history over the last half century is disgusting and appalling.

Loser is the word that comes to mind.

And no matter what the Ford people say - its still just a Mustang with a sticker pack

[pagani]

Originally Posted by nthfinity this car corners much more flatly, doesn't induce very much dive under braking, has a balance leading toward more oversteer... they only look similar really, and have the same chassis No matter what the vette people say, it is directly comparable to a C6 in performance characteristics

So they fixed the handling problems on the gt 500.
I wonder how that translate to real life driving.

[yg60m]

Nice sound for a supercharged car (is it ? ) Bugatti should take example

[pagani]

Originally Posted by RC45 On principle I am anti anything that Shelby touches from now on. The mans treatment of the people who have supported his products and maintained his history over the last half century is disgusting and appalling. Loser is the word that comes to mind. And no matter what the Ford people say - its still just a Mustang with a sticker pack

whit a live axle

[Minacious]

Love the way it sounds, hate the way it looks.

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by RC45 On principle I am anti anything that Shelby touches from now on. The mans treatment of the people who have supported his products and maintained his history over the last half century is disgusting and appalling. Loser is the word that comes to mind. And no matter what the Ford people say - its still just a Mustang with a sticker pack

wow man... that really is pretty ignorant of the facts (assuming you are talking about SAAC v. Shelby)

[RC45]

Originally Posted by nthfinity wow man... that really is pretty ignorant of the facts (assuming you are talking about SAAC v. Shelby)

Facts as I have read about and attitude as I have seen publicly displayed.

Unless some major development happened in the last month, I don't see any reason to change my opinion - especially based on who initiated the action.

And it is Shelby vs SAAC - as he filed suite first.

[nthfinity]

Carroll Shelby Licensing Responds to Comments by Ken Eber and Rick Kopec Saturday December 8, 1:04 am ET GARDENA, Calif., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Carroll Shelby, CEO of Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., (CSL) has issued a statement in response to allegations made by the owners of the organization formerly known as the Shelby American Automobile Club. ADVERTISEMENT "I wanted to explain my concerns to the members of the Shelby American Automobile Club directly, but couldn't because SAAC has refused to give me a list of its members, even though the licensee agreement with SAAC requires them to allow me access to their books and records. So I am being forced to share the facts through a news release. Rick Kopec and Ken Eber, two of the individuals who run the for-profit business called SAAC, have said that they don't know why we didn't renew their annual license. That's not true. We've sent e-mails, made phone calls and mailed letters explaining our concerns for quite some time. Except for the message noted at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm> http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm, they went unanswered. For the past several years, I've repeatedly told them that I was unhappy with their disregard of the reporting requirements of their license agreement and the way they managed the club. And, for the past eight years, their business hasn't kept the terms of its extremely favorable agreement with my licensing company, Carroll Shelby Licensing. Here are the primary reasons that we did not renew the license for this business: -- For many years, I loaned truckloads of memorabilia to the club and provided 1960s production records for the registry; Kopec and Eber promised that everything would be returned to me whenever I asked. In fact, that's what Kopec admits to on page 11 of the last printed edition of the "Shelby American World Registry," which was published in 1997. But they have refused to do so, and I'm told they have sold many of the items, like cancelled Shelby American checks, over the Internet and the like. This is not what anyone had in mind when I let them borrow my things, or my licensing company granted them a license. -- Under the terms of their licensing agreement with CSL, they were required to provide annual and quarterly sales reports, as well as certified statements of sales and a full audit. Also, if requested, they were to allow us 'free and full access' to their books, records and accounts. They have not done any of these things, even though I've personally asked them many times. -- They've never provided proof of the basic liability insurance required by the license agreement. This could expose me personally and all of my companies to enormous liability. -- They failed for nine years to even ask for, much less receive advance approvals from CSL of the thousands of products and product designs they've been selling under license, even though the license agreement clearly states that this failure is grounds for "immediate" termination. -- They didn't even pay the $1 per year licensing fee for the past nine years. -- CSL not only has the right not to renew SAAC's license (which was made for only one year at a time for a reason), but in light of their continued disregard for the license agreement requirements, my trademarks and other intellectual property rights are at great risk if I allow this to continue. Kopec and Eber say SAAC has 5,000 members who pay almost a quarter-million dollars in dues each year. Then there are advertising revenues, sponsorships and money made at the SAAC national convention. In return, from what I can tell, members receive just one mediocre publication and a couple of classified advertising newsletters. And where is the Registry that has been promised year after year? The last one was published 10 years ago. I have received many calls from people who have paid hundreds of dollars for a Registry; they have threatened lawsuits against me and my companies because they have not received their book. The basic information in the Registry about colors, how many cars were built, etc., should be regularly updated and available online for instant access by members. Kopec and Eber recently offered sponsorship of the club to a kit car maker. I have no issue with the individuals who buy kit cars and love the Shelby brand. But, would GM let Chrysler sponsor the Corvette Club? Would Harley Davidson ignore an attempt by Kawasaki to sponsor the Harley Owners Group? I tried for years to address changes that should be made, but my requests fell on deaf ears. Some of the correspondence concerning this matter can be found at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com/> www.shelbylicensing.com. So my licensing company and I asked Eber and Kopec to return the 1960s records and items they originally promised to give back to me, as well as those they have collected over the years using my name under license. And I told them that they can't use my name or the name of my company anymore, and to dispose of their inventory as required by the license agreement. Now they want club members to give them hard-earned money to defend their business interests. Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me when they won't even tell anyone, much less my licensing company, how much money the club has made over the years collecting member dues and selling 'Shelby' memorabilia and merchandise for a royalty fee of only $1.00. Are they fighting me because they're really afraid for the Registry or do they fear giving us financials, which they've been required to do, but refused? Shelby enthusiasts, as well as SAAC club members and registrars deserve better. They should have a club that provides good value and benefits everyone who is involved. They deserve a club that leverages technology to share information and runs events that encourage people to enjoy their cars. They deserve to be treated with class and respect. To say that Team Shelby will negatively impact the value of Shelby cars is ridiculous. I've received probably 250 telephone calls from people asking me to check on whether a particular Cobra or Mustang they wanted to buy is authentic. The next thing I hear from them is that Ken Eber has bought it. Where I come from, when there's that much smoke there's usually some sort of fire! Also, I've been told many times by members that Ken Eber has said that he doesn't need Carroll Shelby. Well, now he won't have to bother with me and I won't have to bother with him. And, it seems to me that they make enough money that they don't need to go around poor-mouthing to the Club members to finance their legal defense fund against me. Shame on both of them! And, as far as Ken and Rick's associate, Mr. Pardee, the Club members should ask him how much of my personal memorabilia is being stored in his garage that, by all rights, should come back to me. Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that? The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work. It's my right to stop letting someone use my name and the name of my legacy company, Shelby American, when they won't listen to me or keep the terms of the licensing agreement they signed many years ago. Team Shelby won't be run that way. You have my word on it." About Carroll Shelby Licensing Automotive manufacturer and entrepreneur Carroll Shelby is one of the most famous and successful high performance visionaries in the world. In 1998, he founded Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., which is the exclusive holder of trademarks and vehicle design rights for some of the most famous muscle cars and high-performance vehicles. CSL also holds trademark rights for Shelby- branded apparel, accessories and collectibles. For additional information about the company or licensing opportunities, call (310) 914-1843 or visit www.shelbylicensing.com.

SAAC broke the license agreement. I don't know about you, breaking a signed accord in a profitable business isn't such a keen thing to do after many years of mutually beneficial....

[RC45]

*dupe*

[RC45]

Originally Posted by nthfinity SAAC broke the license agreement. I don't know about you, breaking a signed accord in a profitable business isn't such a keen thing to do after many years of mutually beneficial....

I could go search and post the SAAC counter, but the bottomline is that he would have nothing to retake if it were not for the likes of SAAC et al.

It is a rather transparent run to grab what little bit of the legacy is left - and some legacy there - aren't Shelby shares trading at abtou .36c?

If the contention is that SAAC is for "profit" - lets see ho wmuch cool cash they made over the years keeping the torch going while Shelby all but ignored anyone who enjoyed his cars and creations of the past?

And what happens when he kicks the bucket? Another slew of legal battles as the heirs battle it out over whats left?

Quite frankly, once he "sold the cars" any all data records and information poertaining to the cars, the owners and collectibles is no longer his to lay claim to - even if it has his name all over it.

The only ones who will out of this will be the lawyers.

Sad way to close an era if you ask me.

Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that?

Isn't this the same defense OJ Simpson is using in Vegas ?

I can see it now "If the badge aint legit - you must aquit"...

One final thing..

The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work.

This is a slight change of attitude that wasnt displayed initially... and was part of the original concern that hi s lawsuite actually extends to include the regional and local chapters... maybe the old coot i shaving a change of heart after all

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by RC45 I could go search and post the SAAC counter, but the bottomline is that he would have nothing to retake if it were not for the likes of SAAC et al. It is a rather transparent run to grab what little bit of the legacy is left - and some legacy there - aren't Shelby shares trading at abtou .36c? If the contention is that SAAC is for "profit" - lets see ho wmuch cool cash they made over the years keeping the torch going while Shelby all but ignored anyone who enjoyed his cars and creations of the past? And what happens when he kicks the bucket? Another slew of legal battles as the heirs battle it out over whats left? Quite frankly, once he "sold the cars" any all data records and information poertaining to the cars, the owners and collectibles is no longer his to lay claim to - even if it has his name all over it. The only ones who will out of this will be the lawyers. Sad way to close an era if you ask me.

I don't see this as an eternal battle unless Carol kicks the bucket very soon (which is possible). One of the problems that Shelby sees is that SAAC refuse to modernize their business... people have offered, with the official Shelby blessing no less...

in case you didn't know, SAAC didn't have much information to begin with, Carol Shelby had the information, and licensed the information to SAAC with the agreement that it was a two way street.

This is not dissimilar to the suites between ex-employees of FML, and the owner of FML over the theft of an intellectual property... the said lists are extremely useful for a bushel of reasons.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by nthfinity I don't see this as an eternal battle unless Carol kicks the bucket very soon (which is possible). One of the problems that Shelby sees is that SAAC refuse to modernize their business... people have offered, with the official Shelby blessing no less... in case you didn't know, SAAC didn't have much information to begin with, Carol Shelby had the information, and licensed the information to SAAC with the agreement that it was a two way street.

Well, SAAC has claimed Shelby cashed their cheques but just doesnt remember - so it is going to be a "he say she say" for a while at least.

Up for debate is also that other than the historic docs etc, much o fthe property may not have been his to "license".

Originally Posted by nthfinity This is not dissimilar to the suites between ex-employees of FML, and the owner of FML over the theft of an intellectual property... the said lists are extremely useful for a bushel of reasons.

Well, either way, I have to side with the "little guy" until its proven he isnt the shark in this one