Why many LP640s crascheds in small times

[RC45]

Originally Posted by gobs3z Originally Posted by dani_d_mas ^ do you really think that with some driving lessons - these fucktards won't drive flat out in 30mph limited-speed zones? it's not the 'driving lessons' but common sense what these people need Your right, it is common sense which a lot of these drivers lack. But it's obvious that these drivers aren't trained to respect the car, training that Lambo can provide. Training people to respect a car is very much possible, and i would mind it being a criteria from manufacturers that produce cars that make more power then 3 Golf GTI's put together. THe onyl thing that makes these street cars is that they come with an interior and air bags. These are race cars made legal for the street. If an LP640 can lap around a track faster then some race cars of 10 years ago, what takes it out of the league of being a race car? Is it amenities like windows that roll up and down? The performance standard of cars are getting higher whereas i don't think the capabilities of drivers are keeping up with it.

Again, these are not race cars they are street cars with street car parts.

Legal behaviour is legal behaviour. period. You don't need to be "trained" to respect the car - you either travel 30mph in a 30mph zone, or you don't.

You are the driver - you choose to push the gas pedal and go fast - not the car.

An accident at a track day or at 160mph on the freeway could be bcause of lack of ability - but then again as a free willed human you chooe to go faster than you are able to manage.

No one is forcing yu to go 180mph on the open road - you take the chance and lose control and have a wreck.

But n traffic if you choose the mash the gas pedal it is YOUR fault not the car.

No amount of training will prevent you from being irresponsible - the proof/ When a pro-race driver gets in a wreck on the street whole speeding etc.

These are the best trained people - and that doesn't prevent them from behaving in the wrong way on the street. That is their choice.

[TopGearNL]

No one is forcing yu to go 180mph on the open road - you take the chance and lose control and have a wreck.

No need to say more!! That is the fact! The car doesn't drive itself, can't blame the car..

[LEXION]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LEXION hey hey, dont blame everything on the drivers capabilities, remember , Balboni, the Lambo test driver crashed one, now who has more experience with Lambo's than him????? If he crashed the car in a street zone into other traffic while speeding like a crazy fucker then he is to blame - period.

Balboni crashed the car on the track, while posing for car and driver photographs.....

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LEXION But what supercar you know, has been in a crash in almost every month since its release? I heard that BMW 3 series and VW Golf's crash every day - bad drivers or bad cars?

Well yeah, the Golf, the most selled car of the years 96, 97, 99, 00" , its an every day car, sold in thousands, and its clearly it crashes daily, because there more of them on the roads, and there driven daily, not only on weekends, or track days, but when I gave that line , I ment SUPERCARS that crash monthly!

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LEXION And yes , the drivers do need some preparing , as we all know, people who afford these cars, dont have time for schools on how to drive them, they only think on how to make MORE money.... And this somehow excuses them from obeying basic traffic laws in urban areas?

Well, thats there problem , I have nothing to comment on that one, because its there time and money and lifes.

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LEXION I assume that the problem, is with the manevrability, just like the CCX, and thats why I said it needs a WING, to keep somehow control over the back of the car....but beeing a 4WD car...I dont think what else could be done, without the car beeing re-inspected by Lamborghini... You assume wrong - in the situations pictured the wing would have made no difference.. you need to be travelling close to 100mph for a wing to produce down force.. and uhm exactly what part of you don't drive 100mph in traffic on closed urban streets is so hard to understand

So Lp640 drivers are the only ones that drive the cars falt out on urban streets? Hard to believe that...but as I see, there the only ones that crash on a constant base.....

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LEXION My opinion stays the same, for a car that has a price over 300 000$, it shouldnt be so damn dangerous to drive!!!! Look at the Veyron or the FXX, how many have crashed? thinking that the power of those its way more than on the LP640! The car is not dangerous - the drivers are irresponsible.. the cars pictured are on narrow busy urban streets.. what part of this can't you understand?

First wreck was on a track, second on a road in Monte Carlo, straight road as I saw in the pictures, there rest in dense urban areas....so it doesent matter really......

And I saw McLaren LM, Enzo, F40, Veyron, beeing driven on narrow urban streets , just watch Martin Brundle's Supercars or fifth gear and top gear specials.....off course there specialists, and know what there doing, but I want to see that beeing done with an LP640

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LEXION Oh, I never really liked the Lamorghini in general, because they started from tractors and tryed to rrival Ferrari, just for beeing flashy , not for the history or the name they created in motoring! Cheers I guess you ave just defined yourself as a fanboy

yeah, I have nothing to loose or gain from this , its only my point of view as a Lambo ''lover''

[gobs3z]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by gobs3z Originally Posted by dani_d_mas ^ do you really think that with some driving lessons - these fucktards won't drive flat out in 30mph limited-speed zones? it's not the 'driving lessons' but common sense what these people need Your right, it is common sense which a lot of these drivers lack. But it's obvious that these drivers aren't trained to respect the car, training that Lambo can provide. Training people to respect a car is very much possible, and i would mind it being a criteria from manufacturers that produce cars that make more power then 3 Golf GTI's put together. THe onyl thing that makes these street cars is that they come with an interior and air bags. These are race cars made legal for the street. If an LP640 can lap around a track faster then some race cars of 10 years ago, what takes it out of the league of being a race car? Is it amenities like windows that roll up and down? The performance standard of cars are getting higher whereas i don't think the capabilities of drivers are keeping up with it. Again, these are not race cars they are street cars with street car parts. Legal behaviour is legal behaviour. period. You don't need to be "trained" to respect the car - you either travel 30mph in a 30mph zone, or you don't. You are the driver - you choose to push the gas pedal and go fast - not the car. An accident at a track day or at 160mph on the freeway could be bcause of lack of ability - but then again as a free willed human you chooe to go faster than you are able to manage. No one is forcing yu to go 180mph on the open road - you take the chance and lose control and have a wreck. But n traffic if you choose the mash the gas pedal it is YOUR fault not the car. No amount of training will prevent you from being irresponsible - the proof/ When a pro-race driver gets in a wreck on the street whole speeding etc. These are the best trained people - and that doesn't prevent them from behaving in the wrong way on the street. That is their choice.

You're not understanding my concept of these no being street cars. Example from Top Gear when they tested race cars of the past verses street cars of today, and the street cars of today were faster. You can say they're street cars all you want because they pass the regulations to be driven on the street, but by no means do they perform in the same arena as a street car. There is the reason for the term super car. Now the average driver (rich or poor) has a certain ability to drive automobiles that 99% of the rest world has naturally (mind you, there are a lot of shitty drivers out there). I now think that that naturally ability to drive automobiles is not good enough for the supercars we have today. The people that buy these cars aren't race drivers (vast majority) and the fact that you said that even race drivers make mistakes makes it even worse for the average driver to make a mistake.
I truly do beleive that driver education from manufactuers will create a safer super car driver, or else they just learn about their car on their own on the same street i drive on. Luckily these cars are rare, and that most of them are like motorcyclist and they just buy it for looks and won't take it above 80.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by gobs3z You're not understanding my concept of these no being street cars.

I understand perfectly - you are sayign because they are as fast as past race cars they are race cars.

That's plain wrong.

They are street cars with powerful engines.

Originally Posted by gobs3z Example from Top Gear when they tested race cars of the past verses street cars of today, and the street cars of today were faster.

In that test - but in a race would not win..

Originally Posted by gobs3z You can say they're street cars all you want because they pass the regulations to be driven on the street, but by no means do they perform in the same arena as a street car.

Does not make a difference.

These cars only go fast is you make them go fast - they dont go fast on their own.

Originally Posted by gobs3z There is the reason for the term super car.

The term super car denotes "potential preformance" - not "default performance".

Originally Posted by gobs3z Now the average driver (rich or poor) has a certain ability to drive automobiles that 99% of the rest world has naturally (mind you, there are a lot of shitty drivers out there). I now think that that naturally ability to drive automobiles is not good enough for the supercars we have today.

Why not?

You just need to display self control.

Does your stereo have a volume control? If you listen to a 500W steroe at 10% can you hear it? If you turn it up to 100% and go deaf, is that the stereo fault or YOUR fault?

Originally Posted by gobs3z The people that buy these cars aren't race drivers (vast majority) and the fact that you said that even race drivers make mistakes makes it even worse for the average driver to make a mistake.

So only soldiers should have guns? And DJ's big stereos?

Originally Posted by gobs3z I truly do beleive that driver education from manufactuers will create a safer super car driver, or else they just learn about their car on their own on the same street i drive on.

Wrong.

On 1,045 levels.. but I will just approach 2.

First - what about someone who buys a car used? They wont get the "training" - so the idea wont work.

Second - just because you are "trained" does nto mean you will put the training into practice.

Again - you choose to hit the gas... no one else.

Originally Posted by gobs3z Luckily these cars are rare, and that most of them are like motorcyclist and they just buy it for looks and won't take it above 80.

hehe - thats a bizarre statement in and of itself.

[gobs3z]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by gobs3z You're not understanding my concept of these no being street cars. I understand perfectly - you are sayign because they are as fast as past race cars they are race cars. That's plain wrong. They are street cars with powerful engines. Originally Posted by gobs3z Example from Top Gear when they tested race cars of the past verses street cars of today, and the street cars of today were faster. In that test - but in a race would not win.. Originally Posted by gobs3z You can say they're street cars all you want because they pass the regulations to be driven on the street, but by no means do they perform in the same arena as a street car. Does not make a difference. These cars only go fast is you make them go fast - they dont go fast on their own. Originally Posted by gobs3z There is the reason for the term super car. The term super car denotes "potential preformance" - not "default performance". Originally Posted by gobs3z Now the average driver (rich or poor) has a certain ability to drive automobiles that 99% of the rest world has naturally (mind you, there are a lot of shitty drivers out there). I now think that that naturally ability to drive automobiles is not good enough for the supercars we have today. Why not? You just need to display self control. Does your stereo have a volume control? If you listen to a 500W steroe at 10% can you hear it? If you turn it up to 100% and go deaf, is that the stereo fault or YOUR fault? Originally Posted by gobs3z The people that buy these cars aren't race drivers (vast majority) and the fact that you said that even race drivers make mistakes makes it even worse for the average driver to make a mistake. So only soldiers should have guns? And DJ's big stereos? Originally Posted by gobs3z I truly do beleive that driver education from manufactuers will create a safer super car driver, or else they just learn about their car on their own on the same street i drive on. Wrong. On 1,045 levels.. but I will just approach 2. First - what about someone who buys a car used? They wont get the "training" - so the idea wont work. Second - just because you are "trained" does nto mean you will put the training into practice. Again - you choose to hit the gas... no one else. Originally Posted by gobs3z Luckily these cars are rare, and that most of them are like motorcyclist and they just buy it for looks and won't take it above 80. hehe - thats a bizarre statement in and of itself.

I just get angry when i see bikers without helmets and a hoochie on the back.

Anyways... I'm just trying to say the natural ability of humans to handle super cars is not keeping up with manufacturers ability to make them go faster. Most people couldn't handle race cars of the past (power wise) so what makes you think that people can handle "street" cars of today that are faster then the race cars of the past. Of course its all the drivers fault, i'm not denying that, but education has always helped humans prevent mistakes from being made, but of course it is a matter of how ignorant the individual is in the first place. This is why i'm saying mandatory drivers education, it will make an imapct on every super car buyer whether the impact be big or small.

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[Spijker]

The problem with this car is its weight. It's too heavy, when a car with this much power starts to spin, it's unstoppable. You can have the best brakes in the world, but you also need to know how to slow 2000 kg down.

The other problem is (not only with this car) are all the high tech stuff. TC, ABS, ESP etc. The drivers think that their car has ultimate grip, because it has ESP and TC. they think their car will be able to stop extremely fast because they have ABS. It meight help, but there is a limit to everything. For example, when I was driving in Austria in the winter last year on a snowy, slippery road. I was in some traffic jam because 2 accidents happened. 1 was a new 4WD landrover whish drove into a wall that and the other was a new BMW 5 series which landed on it's roof, they crashed. The drivers of these cars think they are invulnerable and have ultimate grip because of all their TC stuff...

I'm not saying these technological improvements are bad, but the drivers handle with it incorrectly...

But thats my opinion

[r2r]

:shock:

I'm amazed at some of the responses here so far!

...it's like trying to explain basic driving skills to little kids :roll:

[Spijker]

Originally Posted by r2r :shock: I'm amazed at some of the responses here so far! ...it's like trying to explain basic driving skills to little kids :roll:

So you are saying that people in Lambo's can't drive and that is why they crash... And people who drive ferrari's and porsches are good drivers because they dont crash...

OK

[LEXION]

no no no, only when you get in a Lp640 you forget all the driving skills

[Spijker]

Haha ok

[r2r]

I had to bring this topic back.

Originally Posted by LEXION no no no, only when you get in a Lp640 you forget all the driving skills

Ha ha, oh man after a whole page of explanation to why such crashes happen, your still are clueless on everything that was said.

One thing I can tell you that I'm glad I have learned over the years, try to learn as much as you can from people around you. This way you can be certain on the opinion you believe in.

Originally Posted by Spijker Originally Posted by r2r :shock: I'm amazed at some of the responses here so far! ...it's like trying to explain basic driving skills to little kids :roll: So you are saying that people in Lambo's can't drive and that is why they crash... And people who drive ferrari's and porsches are good drivers because they dont crash... OK

:shock: I'm not even going to bother on this one

[RC45]

Originally Posted by gobs3z Anyways... I'm just trying to say the natural ability of humans to handle super cars is not keeping up with manufacturers ability to make them go faster. Most people couldn't handle race cars of the past (power wise) so what makes you think that people can handle "street" cars of today that are faster then the race cars of the past. Of course its all the drivers fault, i'm not denying that, but education has always helped humans prevent mistakes from being made, but of course it is a matter of how ignorant the individual is in the first place.

You are quite correct sir..

Originally Posted by gobs3z This is why i'm saying mandatory drivers education, it will make an imapct on every super car buyer whether the impact be big or small.

Good idea, but what about the guys who buy the car used from "Fast Freddies Ferrari Plot"?

[TopGearNL]

Good idea, but what about the guys who buy the car used from "Fast Freddies Ferrari Plot"?

Yep very true!

What about what they do with bikes, in Europe you can only ride a bike with 25kw till your 21, after that you can have a busa

Still I think its due to the individual driver not the age, though experience does help