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SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 07:21 PM

Highly doubt that the Z06 is a serious threat to the F430, and lets wait for the F430CS too,,,F430 is fucking fast going straight and no doubt is even better in the twisties, cant wait to see the F430 against these cars, I think it will whoop ass, hopefully I wont be proven wrong.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by 666fast

And if comprehended what I wrote you would realize that many times, once people have achieved the ability to afford, even a used F-Car, they STILL end up parking a Z06 alongside it.

You couldn't buy a F355 or C5Z06 prices - and I am imagining it would be a struggle to find a decent F355 in the states for under $80K - we don't know for sure of the C6Z06 will be in this price range.

Either way, if you had to lend money to buy a used $80K F355 you probably don't have the money to maintain it anyway so it would a financially suicidal purchase anyway.

I think you'd be hard pressed to own a Ferrari on $100k/year. 80% of a years income on a car, probably not the best idea ever. You could probably swing an old 308 or 400i, but no one really wants those!

I'd prefer a Ferrari over a Z06, provided I could afford it. I've always wanted a 355. There is no way in hell I'd go into debt or bankruptcy for it though. If I couldn't afford a Ferrari, I'd have no problem rocking a Z06.

Im sure you can get a 355 if you live alone on a 100K/year job, no one said your paing cash for it, banks are there for you for this type of stuff.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by godspeed06

why are you so obsessed with just a badge? saying you would by a certain car even though it is much older, slower, and more expensive just bc it says "Ferrari" on it is a little beyond my comprehension. but go ahead and have fun with your overpriced, old, slow, few thousand dollar break job and oil change prancing horse... and one last question, have you ever driven a ferrari? how do you know what it will feel like compared to a Z06? how do you know it will be such an invigorating experience? anyone can see that your dream is to own and drive a ferrari and many people are like that, but the whole problem with that is the whole dream is built on marketing. ferarris are no longer THE benchmark of performance or even style. there is nothing to back up the marketing and the dream any longer except for stubborn people such as yourself who simply wont let it go as a result of their ignorance.

What?

Its what people are willing to pay for it. I see shit load of fucking ass transporters going on Barett Jackson for tons of money.

Why are people willing to spend 100000+$ on an old Vette? Because they grew up wanting a vette. Why are people willing to spend tons of money on some fucking woody with a big V8? Beats me, but thats what they want and thats what they are willing to pay.

I want a fucking Ferrari, wanted one since I could walk, yes I want the marque, its a life long dream, I love everything about the marque, I love its history, I love its exclusivity. Id rather drive my "old slow, over marketed" Ferrari feeling better then ever then driving my Vette which is faster which I have totaly no feelings for.

Marketing? Marketing what? Ever seen a Ferrari add?

No more the benchmark for performance? WTF have you been the last couple of decades.

Not even styling? You have to be kidding me......no comment there.

Thats why all the cars coming out were made keeping the 360 in mind? the 911TTs, the Ford GT, the Gallardo.

Have you looked at the numbers the 430 and Enzo are turning up?

If you look at the cars perfomance wise only(but hell Ferrari still IS the benchmark) then look for further then some Supra with lots of turbos, or an skyline with mods coming out of its ass.

graywolf624 · 06-04-2005, 07:47 PM

Marketing? Marketing what? Ever seen a Ferrari add?

I hate to break it too you, but apparently ferrari has marketed well enough that you dont realize they are doing it. Marketing is not just an ad, its what you think when you hear there name. They do it just as much as anyone, what with the f1 racing(or do you really think that would be there if it didnt help someone make money?) the cross promo products(acer laptop), ect.

I like ferrari, and I would buy a 308 over a vette.. But not cause its better then the vette, but rather for nostalgia.. theyve marketed an image to me through magnum pi from my child hood.. I might want it, but its still just a badge.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Marketing? Marketing what? Ever seen a Ferrari add?

I hate to break it too you, but apparently ferrari has marketed well enough that you dont realize they are doing it. Marketing is not just an ad, its what you think when you hear there name. They do it just as much as anyone, what with the f1 racing(or do you really think that would be there if it didnt help someone make money?) the cross promo products(acer laptop), ect.

I like ferrari, and I would buy a 308 over a vette.. But not cause its better then the vette, but rather for nostalgia.. theyve marketed an image to me through magnum pi from my child hood.. I might want it, but its still just a badge.

Sorry but an acer laptop doesnt do much for me, I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad. In comparison to Chevy Ferraris marketing is no were near as big as Chevys, its out there, but its like comparing a hand granade to a nuke, litteraly, in my eyes at least.

What does Ferrari need marketing for if 60% of new Ferrari buyers are old customers?

graywolf624 · 06-04-2005, 08:19 PM

Sorry but an acer laptop doesnt do much for me, I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad. In comparison to Chevy Ferraris marketing is no were near as big as Chevys, its out there, but its like comparing a hand granade to a nuke, litteraly, in my eyes at least.

What does Ferrari need marketing for if 60% of new Ferrari buyers are old customers?

Other then there being more chevys sold and thus more overal marketing your rather blind.

Racing itself is a form of marketing, you discounted the acer but thats what it is, Posters of ferrari, ferraris in tv shows and rap videos, hell even diecast cars. IF you count the f1 team ferraris marketing is in the multiple hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

These are all marketing. Marketing isnt just ads. Sadly your blind to it but yet you refer to exactly what marketing wants. You have an emotional attachment to the brand. Thats what marketings aim is, you to be emotionall attached to the brand and yet not even realize you were marketed too.. In which case one could argue ferrari just does a better job of it.

Hell in effect 90 percent of ferraris sales are pure marketing just as almost any other company and especially when it comes to sports cars, most people that own them never take them to the track in the first place.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Sorry but an acer laptop doesnt do much for me, I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad. In comparison to Chevy Ferraris marketing is no were near as big as Chevys, its out there, but its like comparing a hand granade to a nuke, litteraly, in my eyes at least.

What does Ferrari need marketing for if 60% of new Ferrari buyers are old customers?

Other then there being more chevys sold and thus more overal marketing your rather blind.

Racing itself is a form of marketing, you discounted the acer but thats what it is, Posters of ferrari, ferraris in tv shows and rap videos, hell even diecast cars. IF you count the f1 team ferraris marketing is in the multiple hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

These are all marketing. Marketing isnt just ads. Sadly your blind to it but yet you refer to exactly what marketing once. You have an emotional attachment to the brand. Thats what marketings aim is, you to be emotionall attached to the brand and yet not even realize you were marketed too.. In which case one could argue ferrari just does a better job of it.

What are you saying man?

Are you trying to say that there arent any Chevy mugs, magazines, posters, nascar, diecast cars, hats, clocks, dildos, condoms, vibrators(its got a V8, will rumble yer clit off) ?

Sorry but Ferrari in F1 is the only reason for the marques existance and you know it, saying its a marketing device to sell cars(I know you didnt say it, but making it as such is tottal bullshit). You can say that about Porsche, not Ferrari.

Everysingle brand has t shirts, diecast cars and posters. Chevy has all that, plus ads all over north america.

Chevy factory races a Vette in ALMS and LM, now thats marketing, correct me if Im wrong but I dont think Chevy is know throughout its history to race factory cars in GT competitions, Im not talking about teams racing their cars, Im talking about the factory racing them selfves.

So the bottom line is that Chevy has every single marketing device that Ferrari does, and then some with its ads all over cities and every single tv frequency, so I dont know whos blind, me or you.

Ferraris in rap videos? Are you trying to say that Ferrari gives its cars away to Ludacris and 50cent so they can promote the brand? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If anything the fans and people are what sell Ferrari, Ferrari just sits there and makes the best there is.

astonmartinandy · 06-04-2005, 08:35 PM

The "Race it on Sunday, Sell it on Monday" is widelt regarded as one of the most important reasons now for entering motorsport. But, the same sport also develops new technology which can be adapted to the road cars..

As for the marketing affect, Chevrolet is just as guilty with merchandise and "marketing" through racing.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Hell in effect 90 percent of ferraris sales are pure marketing just as almost any other company and especially when it comes to sports cars, most people that own them never take them to the track in the first place.

Thats cause 90% of Ferraris are bought by wankers who buy it because of the name.

Yes the name is the greatest in the automitive history, and will probably stay that way until we all drive battery powered civics and chevys.

If making the best cars in the world, being one of the most succesful in every single form of motorsport is marketing then let it be.

Ferrari does not sell its cars because they let rappers have em in their vidoes, or beucase they make Ferrari ads with hot women with big tits driving them, or because you see their name on every single street corner. Thats marketing.

Ferrari sells cars because it makes the best cars in the world, because its the most succeful F1 team(the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore the very top of automotive leader).

Ferrari is like a professional athelete, like Tyson, everybody knows his name because he is one of the greatest, not because his mug is on a nike comerical like his NBA counterparts.

graywolf624 · 06-04-2005, 08:44 PM

Sigh.. man ferrari does do a better job of it then gm.

Ferrari is a business like anything else. They sell there products by giving an image of them. And image that is marketed through any number of devices. It quit being just about the races a long time ago. Its about running a business.

You keep acting like somehow I said somewhere that that isnt the reason why chevy does it.. I dont get where your comming from with this. Im telling you they both do it. That maybe ferrari is a little better at marketing, but in reality you are being marketed too.

I just cant get over how well ferrari has done it that you dont even realize its occuring. Perhaps chevy should copy there methods, cause they seem to be working. And no they arent using identical methods. Even within race on sunday there are variations.

Ferrari sells cars because it makes the best cars in the world, because its the most succeful F1 team(the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore the very top of automotive leader).

Yet again your under the misguided impression that this itself isnt a form of marketing. Hell mike tyson was marketed as well. Hell f1 is marketed..
IF it didnt you wouldnt even know it existed and you certainly wouldnt be watching it on tv.

You need to understand that marketing is a function of the entire organization, its not just tv ads, or any singular fashion. It even comes into the design of the very product. In effect the whole definition of marketing, comming directly from my introduction to marketing management book, is to tie an item to an emotional response or need a person has without them even being aware you do so. All companies do this, if you believe Ferrari doesnt spend an exuberant amount of money just like everyone else to this goal, then your smoking some pretty expensive ganja.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 08:52 PM

/\/\/\ If outright success is a form of marketing then let it be.

Sure Ferrari does it better, but as far as pure volume, you cant deny that Chevy has that territory covered, you will find much more chevy marketing devices out there then Ferrari.

graywolf624 · 06-04-2005, 09:18 PM

Sure Ferrari does it better, but as far as pure volume, you cant deny that Chevy has that territory covered, you will find much more chevy marketing devices out there then Ferrari.

More and better are not necessarily the same thing. In fact marketing management teaches that marketing is a bell curve in out come.. Too much is just as bad as too little.

Granted Ferrari and Chevy have entirely different market segments. Chevy targets more of the average working man, Ferrari on the other hand targets the wealthy. Theres not really much in the way of encroachment there. Even with the new z06, they are targeting the supercar performance level, but if they target the price at 70k, they arent targeting the uber wealthy of the world. Price itself, and the perception of quality it brings, is yet another marketing device.

666fast · 06-04-2005, 09:35 PM

Hey now.. Nostalgia is an odd thing.. I plan to have a 308 or 328 as a classic car in the years to come.. though it wont be my performance toy.

Well, you're wierd.

Get a 328, with the painted bumper. The unpainted ones look like diving boards on the front of the car.

Im sure you can get a 355 if you live alone on a 100K/year job, no one said your paing cash for it, banks are there for you for this type of stuff

Not exactly. $100k a year is a lot, but when you have a house, car, ultilties, insurance, perhaps children, groceries, simple luxuries like cable tv, internet access, buying a car that equals 80% of your income is a damn dumb idea. It certainly could be done, but be prepared to give a whole hell of a lot up.

Remember, it's not just buying the car, there is maintenence and insurance to consider.
After many years of saving, you could do it. Taking a loan out from a bank probably won't work either. They usually won't do it for older cars and they also force full coverage insurance since they technically own the car untill the loan is paid off.
What happens when you are in an accident and the loan isn't payed off yet? Talk about hosing yourself.

I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad

Because they don't need to and they know it. Whats a huge tourist attraction here in the States? Las Vegas, known for it's Casino's obviously. The new Wynn hotel/Casino has a damn dealership inside of it. They are to sell to locals only as well, they cannot legally sell a Ferrari to someone living outside Nevada. It's there mostly for advertising. How many cars can they possibly sell a year?

Sorry but Ferrari in F1 is the only reason for the marques existance and you know it, saying its a marketing device to sell cars(I know you didnt say it, but making it as such is tottal bullshit).

Racing most definately is marketing. Why do you think they call the Enzo as the F1 car for the road? Paddle shifters and carbon brakes are from F1, they tell you when you buy a Ferrari, you have what Schumacher has. It's advertising. Remember, no road cars, no racing. They wouldn't be able to afford racing without the sales of road cars.

Chevy factory races a Vette in ALMS and LM, now thats marketing, correct me if Im wrong but I dont think Chevy is know throughout its history to race factory cars in GT competitions, Im not talking about teams racing their cars, Im talking about the factory racing them selfves.

Chevy has been racing a damn long time. Do you know where the name "Chevrolet" comes from?

So the bottom line is that Chevy has every single marketing device that Ferrari does, and then some with its ads all over cities and every single tv frequency, so I dont know whos blind, me or you

just because they don't advertise the same way means very little. Most of Ferrari's sales are to repeat customers. GM and Chevy need to sell to everyone, first time buys to life long devoted GM buyers. That requires more advertising.

Ferraris in rap videos? Are you trying to say that Ferrari gives its cars away to Ludacris and 50cent so they can promote the brand? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Just because Ferrari didn't provide it, doesn't mean it isn't advertising. All the sheep see 50 Cent rocking a 360 Spider and they all want one. Not all of these kids will be able to afford one, but some will, and some might buy a Ferrari.

Yes the name is the greatest in the automitive history, and will probably stay that way until we all drive battery powered civics and chevys.

Last I checked, Ferrari's need a battery to work just like any other car.

Yes the name is the greatest in the automitive history

One of the greatest. IMO, Maserati is a more colorfull history than Ferrari.

Ferrari sells cars because it makes the best cars in the world, because its the most succeful F1 team(the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore the very top of automotive leader).

Thats called marketing. You wanna buy a Ferrari because of their F1 involvement.

Ferrari does not sell its cars because they let rappers have em in their vidoes, or beucase they make Ferrari ads with hot women with big tits driving them, or because you see their name on every single street corner. Thats marketing

It is marketing, but they had nothing to do with it. How great is that, didn't lift a finger or spend a dime, and another million kids want what a rapper drives. Plus, you are talking about it aren't you? Seems to me, it's working.

graywolf624 · 06-04-2005, 09:40 PM

Well, you're wierd. Get a 328, with the painted bumper. The unpainted ones look like diving boards on the front of the car.

Some people have there 57 chevy belairs, me its a 308 or 328. Sadly enough in todays market the ferrari is cheaper.

That being said thats a long way off. I plan on slotting that next to the kit car I build which I dont plan on doing till im almost 40.

SFDMALEX · 06-04-2005, 09:41 PM

Well then my perception of marketing is tottaly different, as I said a post or some above yours.