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Old 05-24-2005, 06:16 AM   #46
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Sure an interesting thread. I have experience building custom modelcars, and I could make replica's of example Jabba's cars (if thats what you guys would be looking at).

AutoArt makes yellow Diablo Roadsters, and HotWheels makes red F355 Spiders! I have both:

(note the F355 on these pics is a rare UT)


Some examples of details that are missing on these models would be licence plates, the yellow wheels on the Diablo, the 2 exhaust pipes on the Diablo and the interior colors on the F355. Also maybe someone here could design a special box which can hold the models, and maybe Jabba has time to sign a bunch of numbered certificates??

Just some ideas, these models are 1:18 though. I think the total price for one completed set could be around 125 Euro ex shipping...

Let's see who likes this!
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Old 05-24-2005, 06:42 AM   #47
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The idea is for sure tempting, but how much time consuming is it for you? And won't be boring to do the same cars over and over again? 125 Euro is reasonable, but the package would be kinda big, so shipping costs would add quite a bit especially for overseas members.

Also, the custom box thing isn't obvious at all!

But it's definitely a good idea
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Old 05-24-2005, 06:53 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by TT
The idea is for sure tempting, but how much time consuming is it for you? And won't be boring to do the same cars over and over again? 125 Euro is reasonable, but the package would be kinda big, so shipping costs would add quite a bit especially for overseas members.

Also, the custom box thing isn't obvious at all!

But it's definitely a good idea
It will cost me some time, but hey, JW is a place that I really appericiate! And if there's a small amound of money that I can take out of it it'll be ok...
A new box would just be extra nice, but can be left alone for sure. Shipping costs is indeed something I don't know about yet...
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:08 AM   #49
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:09 AM   #50
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I have read the following on some other forum

Cost to make a 1:18th model

Info from www.biante.com.au

A lot of people have asked the question and some have wondered why obscure cars or some concept cars never get made, so I will give you a rough idea of the cost to make a 1:18th race car:

Engineer visit 2,000
Research 100hours 5,000
Loss of interest % 10,000 (assume 200K out for 1 yr)
Tooling hand sample 24,285
Tooling pattern 278,570
Tampo plates 2,700
Line tooling 2,000
Box artwork etc 600
Total $325,155

So now you have a tool and can start to make a car.

Based on cost per car with a run of 3000, this makes the tooling amortisation cost $108.38 per car, so obviously you cannot make ANYTHING that is a one off that will not sell at least 5000pcs.

Say the cost to produce each model is $ 55.00.
Cost of model 55.00
Freight by sea 1.00
Freight to shop 2.00
Manufacturer fee 5.00
Driver/Team fee 15.00
Plus amortisation 108.38
TOTAL $186.38

Now so far there is NO profit for anyone.

Add profit for man-
ufacturer/distributor 18.00
Total to shop= $204.38

Store margin (say 50%) 102.19
Retail $306.57

Add the GST 30.66

RETAIL price $337.23

NOW you know why cars that are "One offs" or unuseable as race cars, taxi, Police or road cars out of basically the same tool, never get made.

Or not by people who want to stay in business anyway.

The only ways to reduce this cost is by bigger total numbers (25,000 is a bare minimum) or to cut corners and make less features/quality.

For example, 3 road cars and 2 race cars for a total of 25,000 models

Engineer visit 2,000
Research 150hours 8,000
Loss of interest % 10,000 (assume 200K out for 1 yr)
Tooling hand sample 24,285
Tooling pattern 278,570
Tooling new bits 10,500
Tampo plates 2,900
Line tooling 2,000
Box artwork etc 900
Total $339,155

Based on cost per car with a run of 25,000, this makes the tooling amortisation cost $13.56 per car

Say the cost to produce each model is $ 28.00.

Cost of model 28.00
Freight by sea 0.60
Freight to shop 2.00
Manufacturer fee 5.00
Driver/Team fee 15.00
Plus amortisation 13.56
TOTAL $64.16

Add profit for man-
ufacturer/distributor 18.00
Total to shop= $82.16

Store margin (say 50%) 41.08
Retail $123.24

Add the GST 12.32

RETAIL price $135.56

So you see, it's a numbers game. To make a model that cant be used for anything else and is usually only in one colour, is not viable. There wouldn't be ONE single Australian car you could make that would sell 25,000 pieces in Australia.

Hope thats of some help to those who keep wondering why we don't make some of the cars requested.

These figures are approximate, but the point is clearly made.[U]
What is a "Tampo Plate"?
Good question. We tend to think everyone knows these terms. Sorry.
The tampo plate is a steel plate that is engraved to about 1 micron deep with the image you want to print on the car.
The special ink is placed into the recess caused by the etching of the plate and a silicon half pear shaped pad lifts the ink from the plate and then as the model slides under it, transfers the ink "image" onto the car.
Fully automated Tampo machines can print eight colours, one on top of the other in about a third of a second, with all the previous colours being dry before it hits the next colour overlay.
The machines are about US$150,000 each. I think Autoart has 250 of them from memory.
Because of the silicon pad, it is sometimes referred to as "Pad Printing"
The ink actually eats into the body paint, thats why you cant scratch it off like a decal.

Hope that answers the question in a simplistic way.
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Old 05-24-2005, 05:20 PM   #51
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Woah!
Haven't been browsing the forum lately, but seems like a few good ideas have surfaced. I really like riconijhof's idea, that might actually work out, but as someone has stated......the shipping could be quite expensive!
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Old 05-24-2005, 05:32 PM   #52
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I have read the following on some other forum
Without bringing direct tech I can prove you wrong. I have on my desk a limited edition model 1:18 (5000 cars made) from the SSOA of america(basically the super sport owners club of america). Cost me 32 dollars and I know they made a profit.
It depends on the company and how custom you want to go.. Go with a pre made model and get permission from the owner of said mold, and itll cost you practically nothing.

I would suggest start by determining a car youd like a model of.


They used this company:
http://www.wellydiecast.com/web/index.html

Which appears if you contact them theyll let you know prices on using the models they have and attaching your own graphics whether it be tampo or just decals.

Our Minimum Order Quantities for each item is 25 cartons while our Minimum Order Amount should be not less than US$8000.00 per shipment.
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Old 05-25-2005, 06:46 AM   #53
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Shipping from here:

Within European Union: 1-2 kg. 8,40 Euro (6-10 days)
World: 1-2 kg. 13,- Euro (7-12 days)

Thats as you see only if the packacges will weigh less than 2 kg... And I don't know is there are any taxes involved!

About 1:43, both cars have been made in 1:43, but they're VERY rare and impossible to find new. It would turn out more expensive than the 1:18 set...

We need more people to reply here! If there's like 10-20 people interested we could figure something out!
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Old 05-25-2005, 07:35 AM   #54
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This sound really good i'm still in
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:00 AM   #55
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AAUTOart;
1/43 LAMBORGHINI DIABLO ROADSTER (YELLOW)
expected Q4 2005-Q1 2006

Kyosho is going to bring out a lot of 1/43 Ferrari's , so is IXO, don't know wether there will be a 355spider of wether it's already been made...



I also just sent a package with 1 1/18 model in it , = 1850kg, so 2 1/18 models will definatly be +2kg
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Old 05-25-2005, 01:48 PM   #56
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riconijhof (F355 4ev what are you proposing EXACTLY cause I got a bit confused..
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:01 AM   #57
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Originally Posted by Mr.Vercetti
riconijhof (F355 4ev what are you proposing EXACTLY cause I got a bit confused..
This thread is about ideas for special JW exclusive modelcars isn't it? Well there's my idea. I can make replicas of Jabbas cars...
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:17 AM   #58
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^^^^^^

I know what this thread is since Im the one who started it... What I dont understand is what exactly are you going to do....
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Old 05-26-2005, 05:24 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by Mr.Vercetti
^^^^^^

I know what this thread is since Im the one who started it... What I dont understand is what exactly are you going to do....
I can make the Diablo and 355 excact replica of Jabbas cars in 1:18 for anyone whos interested. You know, yellow wheels, numberplates, exhaust and the 355 interior + maybe some other details. If there are enough people interested (say 10-20) I'll go find out what the prices and possibilities are. I'm donna need someone with a color laser printer for decals though, and someone would need to ask Jabba to sign some certificates made by someone else.

So, for approx 125 euro for 2 cars 1:18 who would be interested
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Old 05-26-2005, 05:42 PM   #60
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Vercetti, there is nothing complicated in what Rico is offering: to create a simple limited edition. For sure it is not like having an official limited edition by Autoart or Minichamps, but it's tempting
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