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Old 08-19-2005, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default *** 2005 Turkish Grand Prix ***

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Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 58 1:24:34.454 1 10
2 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 58 +18.6 secs 3 8
3 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 58 +19.6 secs 4 6
4 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 58 +37.9 secs 2 5
5 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 58 +39.3 secs 13 4
6 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 58 +55.4 secs 5 3
7 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 58 +69.2 secs 12 2
8 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 58 +71.6 secs 10 1
9 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 58 +109.987 secs 20
10 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 57 +1 Lap 11
11 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 57 +1 Lap 16
12 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 57 +1 Lap 9
13 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 55 +3 Laps 17
14 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 55 +3 Laps 18
15 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 55 +3 Laps 14
Ret 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 48 Retired 15
Ret 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 32 Retired 19
Ret 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 29 Tyre 6
Ret 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 28 Engine 8
Ret 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 20 Tyre 7
Fastest Lap: Juan Pablo Montoya 1:24.770
Official Result
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Old 08-19-2005, 03:19 PM   #2
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from the pics i've seen so far the circuit looks really good...nice hills, nice corners, with some things around the track to give you a good feel of speed, unlike most other new tracks which look like racetracks in cheap games, with only concrete walls and endless fields of grass on both sides...
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Old 08-19-2005, 06:57 PM   #3
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Ferrari is seriously lacking pace. But it's a relatively new track, I think we'll see the time drop some more to and hopefully some improvement from the Ferraris.

To be honest, I am abit disappointed. Ferrari has done quite some testing over the summer break, yet they are still way off the front pack.
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Old 08-19-2005, 07:39 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by 5vz-fe
Ferrari is seriously lacking pace. But it's a relatively new track, I think we'll see the time drop some more to and hopefully some improvement from the Ferraris.
Dan tells me they prolly gave up and are working on the 2006, I agree with him on that.
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Old 08-19-2005, 07:44 PM   #5
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Shit. Ferrari's screwed for Sunday... Brawn said on SpeedTv that they're using an old spec tyre, since the new ones used in Germany and Hungary wouldn't last the whole distance... And guess which tyre philosophy they're using? Yep, the "excellent" Magny Cours/ Silverstone one...


It's gonna be another tough Weekend it seems...
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Old 08-19-2005, 07:57 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by |Nuno|
Shit. Ferrari's screwed for Sunday... Brawn said on SpeedTv that they're using an old spec tyre, since the new ones used in Germany and Hungary wouldn't last the whole distance... And guess which tyre philosophy they're using? Yep, the "excellent" Magny Cours/ Silverstone one...


It's gonna be another tough Weekend it seems...
That sux!!! Ferrari usually don't make that kind of mistake. Maybe Dan is rite, they really do all the testing for next year's car.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:07 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by 5vz-fe
Originally Posted by |Nuno|
Shit. Ferrari's screwed for Sunday... Brawn said on SpeedTv that they're using an old spec tyre, since the new ones used in Germany and Hungary wouldn't last the whole distance... And guess which tyre philosophy they're using? Yep, the "excellent" Magny Cours/ Silverstone one...


It's gonna be another tough Weekend it seems...
That sux!!! Ferrari usually don't make that kind of mistake. Maybe Dan is rite, they really do all the testing for next year's car.
Well, it's not Ferrari's mistake - after all, they don't make the tyres.


And yes, right now, they're focusing more on 2006.

Only (major) updates planned for the F2005 are an engine update (055 C) to be introduced at Monza and a new low downforce package, also to be introduced at Monza. Only the tyre programme will continue to go at full throttle.

But I don't think the F2005 needs the updates anyway; what Ferrari really needs is a good tyre. And to achieve that, they'll have to test, test and test until Bridgestone can come up with the right tyre, which hopefully they will. Someday...
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:25 PM   #8
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Huh, I would've thought that Bridgestone would've done better on a brand new circuit. Heard that they've got a pretty good track records in terms of coming out with new Tyres for untested tracks.
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:09 AM   #9
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Yup with season its fucked for the Scuderia , on Mugello and Fiorano they begin testing the V8 for next year .

Probably they`ll try to make a very good race at Monza , and they could go well at Suzuka , but that`s it for this season.

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Old 08-20-2005, 07:36 AM   #10
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Qualification ...

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.797
2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:27.039
3 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:27.050
4 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.352
5 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:27.501
6 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:27.929
7 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:27.944
8 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:28.419
9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:28.594
10 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:28.963
11 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:29.369
12 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:29.764
13 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:30.063
14 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:30.175
15 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:30.710
16 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:32.186
17 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth
18 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas
19 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota
20 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari

i couldnt see the qualification ... :cry:
anyway ... the results are very interesting .....

ohh and im expecting a big jacques attack and suchumi attack .. :roll:
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Old 08-20-2005, 08:32 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by |Nuno|
It's gonna be another tough Weekend it seems...

Damn. How right I was...


Good thing is that I really like this track - very nicely done. :good: The Quali was pretty unusual too, with lots of excursions of the track, etc...
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Old 08-20-2005, 09:13 AM   #12
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^^^^ yup , the usual grip problems , the track brand new and also dirty , a lot of sand , so excursions off the track are usual stuff in this kind of environment. .
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Old 08-20-2005, 04:31 PM   #13
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change in starting order, Sato was penalised for leaving the track too slowly and driving in Webber's way, he now starts from place 20, so every1 from place 15 on moves up a place
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Old 08-20-2005, 11:07 PM   #14
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there was nothing to appeal, regulations say that if u are overtaken on ur outlap by a guy in quali lap, u lose ur time and thus start at the back. webber had to overtake him, its clear as can be.
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Old 08-20-2005, 11:26 PM   #15
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man no way am I waiking up at 8am tomorrow.......no Turkey GP for me...
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