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05-08-2004, 11:57 PM
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lol sorry kinda went off topic but im jus makin a point that the car itslef isnt everything, its alsp what the company does, has done, is invloved with etc etc i dont wanna go on anymore lol
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Best of all, it works on two levels, both as a cosseting four-seat GT and a sports car, something the DB9 tried but has so far failed to do. - Evo talking about the Maserati Gransport
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05-09-2004, 04:36 AM
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Try the edit button next time...
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05-09-2004, 11:02 AM
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I have such a hard time believing that it can produce its body mass at 160...how much does it weigh?
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05-09-2004, 11:18 AM
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welcome to the world of wind tunnel design.... form follows function. yes, this car produces more down force then the Enzo, and is lighter then the enzo...
2750 lb
and think how fast 160mph is... airplanes take off at those speeds, so why cant the car produce its own wieght in negetive lift?
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05-09-2004, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nthfinity
welcome to the world of wind tunnel design.... form follows function. yes, this car produces more down force then the Enzo, and is lighter then the enzo...
2750 lb
and think how fast 160mph is... airplanes take off at those speeds, so why cant the car produce its own wieght in negetive lift?
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Airplanes wings surface area accounts for the surface area of 3 Saleens.
This car simply cannot produce 2750. The Saleen RACECAR produces 1500-1600 TOPS at Max speed of around 180-200.
The Panoz GTR made 1800 max.
There is no friggin way this car can produce 2750lb of dowforce no matter what.
Just to get some reasurance I just had a chat with an aerodynamisist and he said there is no way it can produce that downforce at any speed that the car is capable of achiving. It will only make a couple of hundred tops.
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05-09-2004, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
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Originally Posted by nthfinity
welcome to the world of wind tunnel design.... form follows function. yes, this car produces more down force then the Enzo, and is lighter then the enzo...
2750 lb
and think how fast 160mph is... airplanes take off at those speeds, so why cant the car produce its own wieght in negetive lift?
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Airplanes wings surface area accounts for the surface area of 3 Saleens.
This car simply cannot produce 2750. The Saleen RACECAR produces 1500-1600 TOPS at Max speed of around 180-200.
The Panoz GTR made 1800 max.
There is no friggin way this car can produce 2750lb of dowforce no matter what.
Just to get some reasurance I just had a chat with an aerodynamisist and he said there is no way it can produce that downforce at any speed that the car is capable of achiving. It will only make a couple of hundred tops. |
If you feel that strongly about it - why not call the manufacturer out in their lie.
Unless you are not 100% sure of your facts... 
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05-09-2004, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RC45
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
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Originally Posted by nthfinity
welcome to the world of wind tunnel design.... form follows function. yes, this car produces more down force then the Enzo, and is lighter then the enzo...
2750 lb
and think how fast 160mph is... airplanes take off at those speeds, so why cant the car produce its own wieght in negetive lift?
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Airplanes wings surface area accounts for the surface area of 3 Saleens.
This car simply cannot produce 2750. The Saleen RACECAR produces 1500-1600 TOPS at Max speed of around 180-200.
The Panoz GTR made 1800 max.
There is no friggin way this car can produce 2750lb of dowforce no matter what.
Just to get some reasurance I just had a chat with an aerodynamisist and he said there is no way it can produce that downforce at any speed that the car is capable of achiving. It will only make a couple of hundred tops. |
If you feel that strongly about it - why not call the manufacturer out in their lie.
Unless you are not 100% sure of your facts... |
And what good will calling the manufacturer will do?
Unless there is a big fan in the underbody there is no way this car can produce 2750lb.
I already talked to one aero guy and he said its impossible.
Ill wait for another guy to show up and he will tell me the exact numbers for the Saleen racers from FIA GT. And Im 99% sure that he will say its no where near 2000.
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05-09-2004, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
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Originally Posted by RC45
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
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Originally Posted by nthfinity
welcome to the world of wind tunnel design.... form follows function. yes, this car produces more down force then the Enzo, and is lighter then the enzo...
2750 lb
and think how fast 160mph is... airplanes take off at those speeds, so why cant the car produce its own wieght in negetive lift?
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Airplanes wings surface area accounts for the surface area of 3 Saleens.
This car simply cannot produce 2750. The Saleen RACECAR produces 1500-1600 TOPS at Max speed of around 180-200.
The Panoz GTR made 1800 max.
There is no friggin way this car can produce 2750lb of dowforce no matter what.
Just to get some reasurance I just had a chat with an aerodynamisist and he said there is no way it can produce that downforce at any speed that the car is capable of achiving. It will only make a couple of hundred tops. |
If you feel that strongly about it - why not call the manufacturer out in their lie.
Unless you are not 100% sure of your facts... |
And what good will calling the manufacturer will do?
Unless there is a big fan in the underbody there is no way this car can produce 2750lb.
I already talked to one aero guy and he said its impossible.
Ill wait for another guy to show up and he will tell me the exact numbers for the Saleen racers from FIA GT. And Im 99% sure that he will say its no where near 2000. |
But remember - FIA imposes rules regarding allowable downforce.. the street doesn't..
And calling out the manufacturer is the only thing you can do really - because if the brochure says X - and you say Y - I am going with X - until you get the manufacturer to say Y...
Anything else is speculation... right...
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05-09-2004, 01:50 PM
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I say my penis is 12inches long. It says so in my Resume. It got to be true. Its in the brochure I made about my self also. 
Quote from the resume "My penis is 12inches long!"
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05-09-2004, 02:03 PM
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Look at this road car.
Now look at this race car.
Point me out any aero parts on the road car which can contribute to an extra 1000LB!!! Of downforce.
I mean it doesnt take a genius to figure out that there is no friggin way this car can make anywere close to 2000lb of downfoce......LMP 900s dont make that much downforce lol.
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05-09-2004, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Look at this road car.
Now look at this race car.
Point me out any aero parts on the road car which can contribute to an extra 1000LB!!! Of downforce.
I mean it doesnt take a genius to figure out that there is no friggin way this car can make anywere close to 2000lb of downfoce......LMP 900s dont make that much downforce lol. |
Your penis is 12" long?
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05-09-2004, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RC45
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Look at this road car.
Now look at this race car.
Point me out any aero parts on the road car which can contribute to an extra 1000LB!!! Of downforce.
I mean it doesnt take a genius to figure out that there is no friggin way this car can make anywere close to 2000lb of downfoce......LMP 900s dont make that much downforce lol. |
Your penis is 12" long? |
wrong quote
Actually my penis is 20inches long. I made a mistake in my brochure
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05-09-2004, 02:15 PM
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BTW - the FIA rules dictate the shape of the underbody - perhaps the road car has very extensive underbody aerodynamic downforce enducing designs in place.
All I am saying - is that with the prospect of a bankcrupting lawsuit if you make false claims on your docuemntation - for a car you are only selling to the most wealthy/powerful people in the USA who would be the most likely to bring suite against false claims - you don't lightly make a claim such as this - without it being true... (at least partially ) 
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05-09-2004, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
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Originally Posted by RC45
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Look at this road car.
Now look at this race car.
Point me out any aero parts on the road car which can contribute to an extra 1000LB!!! Of downforce.
I mean it doesnt take a genius to figure out that there is no friggin way this car can make anywere close to 2000lb of downfoce......LMP 900s dont make that much downforce lol. |
Your penis is 12" long? |
wrong quote
Actually my penis is 20inches long. I made a mistake in my brochure |
No - correct quote - I was just admiring the yellow car while thinking of your penis..
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05-09-2004, 02:20 PM
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lol I better keep my doors locked. 
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