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Old 05-02-2006, 11:41 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by RC45
Sorry I do not agree.
We'll, let's agree to disagree then.

Originally Posted by RC45
oh, and regarding Serious Sam, Deus Ex and Unreal Tournament, the titles were so freaking buggy out of the box, no wonder no-one wanted to pay for the first revisions
Some people experienced problems, others didn't. Video games are quite a complicated business, but I don't expect you to know the inner workings of their scope. I also give you -5 for the intended jab at me and the work I've done.

Originally Posted by RC45
Sure.. :roll: They emulated phone numbers, websites and fax numbers, they emulated reps and distribution channels.. :roll:

What really happened is the retailer saw prices too good to believe and knew there was 100% or more in profit to be made. They are also criminals in this case.
Did you read the article about the NEC piracy scandal? It seems like the Chinese pirates did exactly that. They emulated phone numbers, reps, distribution channels, entire warehouses, etc...

Originally Posted by RC45
Sure, and why not - in those far away markets where the folks make less money per year than the CD player/DVD nav in your car -- they would never be able to afford the real deal - so wehats the problem?
I already explained this before. The average Chinese salary is going up. It won't be too long before they can afford the real deal, but why should they, when they can continue to buy fakes.
You believe this is not a problem, I however think in the long term this will have some economic disturbance. I guess your degree in Economics is higher then mine then.

Originally Posted by RC45
BTW - I thought China was Europes buddy all this time.. What happened - honeymoon oevr already?
You really like to hear yourself talk. Don't you.

Originally Posted by RC45
Boohoo - a poor drug company gets beaten at their won game because someoen made a generic chemical compound that does the same thign for less..
Doesn't quite work that way.
First of all the "poor" drug business I work in, is not all that poor. The company I work for is number 1 in D-class drugs. We also make generics of our own products for those markets that cannot pay for the higher priced "originals" which by now are a known product on American and European markets. This is done in order to counteract illicit business and combat some forms of piracy, and in order to not lose market share.

Originally Posted by RC45
Wow - that's big of you guys - why not just sell 100x more of the same old stuff.. ?
Shows you really have no clue about this business. You can only sell so much of class-D drugs.
The company I work for may be number one, but we only own about 5% of the market. It is very cut-throat and extremely difficult to take over market share. Our drugs are prescription medicaments, you cannot just sell 100x more on a whim. You can sell as much as a doctor is able to prescribe if the cmplication is there and has to be treated.
This is not the Viagra market...

Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by Shinigami
Remember, it's not just about making money and profits.
Yes it is - that's all it is about. You guys make drugs.. if there was more money in making chemical weapons you would be making those instead...
It's so nice to see you dissect and distort ones messages so that it helps to demean their post. If you had kept my message intact with the one found below, the meaning would be very different.

Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by Shinigami
Companies use the revenues to "improve" themselves.
And maybe that's the problem.. the Chinese seem to be able to make billions not improving anythig, but rather just remaking others items cheaper...
Which shows how clueless you really are.
Company in some sectors spent millions upon millions on R&D, because it is the only way they are able to stay in business.
The company I work for spends hundreds of millions on developing new laser techniques for treating skin cancer. The molecules used to treat other skin diseases has cost this company millions and millions of dollars. The products are being done in order to cure humans. If the Chinese make generics, the market is being hurt because a) the company that invented the product is not bringing in dividends on the products it invented, and b) therefore cannot continue to research new, safer and ultimately more effective products.

Pirating may work very well for some products, but in the drug business, it's hurting the consumer on an all new scale. If you prefer to consume Chinese generics for your disease, please do so. Don't come crying home when the side effects hit you hard (and some side effects indeed do... who remembers the "fake milk" a Chinese company was selling for mothers with babies? oooops... seems like a few died because it wasn't milk to begin with).

Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by Shinigami
Just my two cents.
See - you sell yourself short - no doubt because the Chinese already offer free advice... that's cheaper than yours by 2c..
Your advice isn't even worth that of the Chinese
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