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Old 08-07-2009, 12:51 PM   #16
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Now I can see how houses selling for a 1000 bucks in Detroit.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:53 PM   #17
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And the "legacy" of Deroit and Kalifornia is what the rest of the country will be looking like within 5 years if we dont make a RADICAL change in government.

This is a visual representation of what happens when liberals runa city/state. Corrpution, infighting and finally self-destruction.
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:59 PM   #18
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And the "legacy" of Deroit and Kalifornia is what the rest of the country will be looking like within 5 years if we dont make a RADICAL change in government.

This is a visual representation of what happens when liberals runa city/state. Corrpution, infighting and finally self-destruction.
Are you sure? Looks like what happens when the conservatives rule here, not to quite such a frightening extent but there's an every man for himself thing going on.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:30 PM   #19
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Are you sure? Looks like what happens when the conservatives rule here, not to quite such a frightening extent but there's an every man for himself thing going on.
Tax incentives, lower property values brought the businesses out of Detroit long ago. There isn't any incentive to rebuild on vacant lots... vandlism is rampant; as are unsafe crack-heads, gangs etc. In the city with the lowest graduation (from High School) in the entire country... crime is VERY bad. Why on earth would a business want to move back? By accepting some new tax incentive offered by the City council (usually a currupt deal {like between Kwame Kilpatric, and Mr. Karmanos } ... those are "granted" on individual terms. The In city taxes of what is left prevents any other new ventures to want to start up or set up in the City. So much has been attempted to be donated/ given to help Detroit over the years... so much of it refused. Why?

Don't even get me started on the "real" murder rate we have... much of it the Police have admited to not even reporting as it would be too much of an additional work load. WTF?

Not allowed to demolish homes? The city wont let the state, and the state wont let the city... those are drug havens.

There is a lot wrong with Detroit... but if there was a non-liberal education system, with graduates... a lot of the crime would dry up. If there were across the board tax cuts, businesses would move in. If one statist would move out of the way of another statist, something could get done (for better or worse). It's been 30 years since there was a conservative in the City council even.

On top of local liberal policies, federal liberal policies have destroyed many companies too who were unable to spend enough to meet federal restrictions, some new federal license etc.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:04 PM   #20
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Are you sure? Looks like what happens when the conservatives rule here, not to quite such a frightening extent but there's an every man for himself thing going on.
Not to get into a political discussion, but 100% incorrect.

There is a reason conservative states and cities run surpluses and are not broke, while liberal states and cities are falling into bankruptcy by the day.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:45 PM   #21
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because that's where the richer people want to live? In a rich city? Maybe in the good old (young) U.S. of A.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:08 PM   #22
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because that's where the richer people want to live? In a rich city? Maybe in the good old (young) U.S. of A.
Richer?

No sir, because when you allow market forces to work then you create wealth and prosperity - continually redividing tax income does not create anything, it simply redivides a shrinking pie over and over again until eventually you run out of money.

You reduce taxes, you create jobs. Create jobs you improve an economy.

Again, there is a reason California is broke - they tried to "fix" things - economics doesnt work that way, neither do economies.
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:28 PM   #23
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Richer?

No sir, because when you allow market forces to work then you create wealth and prosperity - continually redividing tax income does not create anything, it simply redivides a shrinking pie over and over again until eventually you run out of money.

You reduce taxes, you create jobs. Create jobs you improve an economy.

Again, there is a reason California is broke - they tried to "fix" things - economics doesnt work that way, neither do economies.
Maybe it's different there? I'm not an expert on these matters, it's an alarmingly different place, in terms of New York state at least, that's the only part I have ever checked out. Fairly extensively though, but maybe not reflective of America as a whole.
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:40 PM   #24
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Maybe it's different there? I'm not an expert on these matters, it's an alarmingly different place, in terms of New York state at least, that's the only part I have ever checked out. Fairly extensively though, but maybe not reflective of America as a whole.
Detroit used to be the place to live. As times changed... buildings went vacant, skyscrapers went vacant, homes went vacant... There are still nice places in Detroit if one would like to live there. But the quantity of them have dwindled. Its amazing that you can pick up a 4000+ sq. foot home in a nice neighborhood (considering) for under 200k ... 5+ bedrooms, 4 bathrooms... My car was stolen in front of a friends 36,000 sq. foot home in Detroit in one of those nice neighborhoods. The home was built in the late 1910's by an industrial magnate. Secret passages, a carriage house, and 3/4+ acre of land beside the home. I'd not mind living there.

Upkeep is near impossible, as the City requires you pull a permit to repair anything more than a light bulb. These places are slowly rotting away, and its incredibly sad. The home sold 3 years ago for a measly 600,000$.
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Old 08-08-2009, 02:35 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by pitfield View Post
Maybe it's different there? I'm not an expert on these matters, it's an alarmingly different place, in terms of New York state at least, that's the only part I have ever checked out. Fairly extensively though, but maybe not reflective of America as a whole.

Maybe not relective of America as a whole? Ya think?



And the idea that Republicans or conservatives (not equivalent terms by any means) represent a richer upper class is completely unfounded.
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